the right to bear arms

[MaxPower]

Yea, but why you being seen with the firearm for ppl to call police on you? Now you inside and can't do one fk

Same thing I saying, soon as men get gun, dey brandishing the thing all over the place.

X3000.

Too many Trinis should not have easy access to legal firearms.

We should be focusing on proper policing. More mobile police stations in hotspot areas with direct communication with residents and panic buttons, more vehicles patrolling, more equipment, more training, more drones, more surveillance.

Paranoid emotional cowards with guns is a recipe for disaster. Pulling gun on people is a direct threat on life.

What if one of the people on Warren road had an FUL and felt their life was in danger?

What if one a dem ppl is actually or know a real rudeboy and not going through that ranking pull gun ting and now "Mr.fed up" have a whole extra set a problems waiting on him when he come out.

Now Imagine 30,000 sMASHs with guns unleashed onto our population.

Correct.

Recipe for disaster.

Now i will give the jacket to those genuinely responsible eh…i know rellll highly competent Trinis…not big big competitors eh….normal citizens, discreet, trained, alert and who understand safety. Men who does begg possible threats to leave them alone because they know they could switch them off easy easy….

But yuh see the amount of jackass in 30,000……nah boy

[mero]

Hope abusive man know all cutass stop, cuz wives can apply for one same way they can.

Real Joe grind going and get kill.

Man crazy wife, ex girl/man, stalker, scorned lover getting fire.

Real smally piggy syndrome man getting fire.

Real wanna be rankers getting fire.

Loss ah all fours, reach for de fire.

Men clowning yuh, reach for d fire

Everybody hand going and be reaching on dey waist for de fire

[redmanjp]

^i think the terms of the FUL can differ depending on the applicant's risk level. an ordinary person who wants a gun for home protection should be able to get 1 but it would be limited to their premises. persons who want to carry should have more pressing reasons e.g. they have been receiving death threats or have already been victims of crime especially business ppl.

so whereas plenty ppl can soon get it they can't carry it around -that would limit most of the scenarios mentioned.

[alfa]

So hear this. Was reading on a firearms page on FB some years ago that prior to 1970, anyone in Trinidad could have owned a shotgun. After purchase the owner of the store was required to write the commissioner informing him that John doe had just purchased a shotgun with serial number....

I know old timers who have legal shotguns from donkey years so they were probably part of that era.
And they're weren't any mass shootings, domestic violence general jackassery etc.

I believe if that is brought back to facilitate home defense shotguns not to leave the premises we could maintain a similar standard

[9YDMS]

Hope abusive man know all cutass stop, cuz wives can apply for one same way they can.

Real Joe grind going and get kill.

Man crazy wife, ex girl/man, stalker, scorned lover getting fire.

Real smally piggy syndrome man getting fire.

Real wanna be rankers getting fire.

Loss ah all fours, reach for de fire.

Men clowning yuh, reach for d fire

Everybody hand going and be reaching on dey waist for de fire

And bandits?

[MaxPower]

^i think the terms of the FUL can differ depending on the applicant's risk level. an ordinary person who wants a gun for home protection should be able to get 1 but it would be limited to their premises. persons who want to carry should have more pressing reasons e.g. they have been receiving death threats or have already been victims of crime especially business ppl.

so whereas plenty ppl can soon get it they can't carry it around -that would limit most of the scenarios mentioned.

red,

Excellent suggestion, and we also mentioned this earlier.

NO personal carry, only to be used at home.

[MaxPower]

And they're weren't any mass shootings, domestic violence general jackassery etc.

alfy,

Jackassery has evolved.

Social media fuels too much vice and encouragement.

[sMASH]

Any one has stats that FUL civilians are a great hazard to tnt to date ?

I know I keep posting situations where civilian FUL deterred and reduced crime in this here thread . Jess hadda keep going back and story after story where FUL's salvaged the day.

I support more FUL's .

Carpenter, Carpenter how do u do,
Make me a coffin, saddle up to make a few

[sMASH]

^i think the terms of the FUL can differ depending on the applicant's risk level. an ordinary person who wants a gun for home protection should be able to get 1 but it would be limited to their premises. persons who want to carry should have more pressing reasons e.g. they have been receiving death threats or have already been victims of crime especially business ppl.

so whereas plenty ppl can soon get it they can't carry it around -that would limit most of the scenarios mentioned.

red,

Excellent suggestion, and we also mentioned this earlier.

NO personal carry, only to be used at home.

One can be robbed in public too, even in ur vehicle at a traffic light .

Victim mind set

[16 cycles]

So hear this. Was reading on a firearms page on FB some years ago that prior to 1970, anyone in Trinidad could have owned a shotgun. After purchase the owner of the store was required to write the commissioner informing him that John doe had just purchased a shotgun with serial number....

I know old timers who have legal shotguns from donkey years so they were probably part of that era.
And they're weren't any mass shootings, domestic violence general jackassery etc.

I believe if that is brought back to facilitate home defense shotguns not to leave the premises we could maintain a similar standard

There was a mechanism for agricultural land owners to own shotguns...more than one....that would have been incorporated into the FuL application process when it was implemented.

Basically register it at local TTPS station...could lodge it for keeping etc.

As the law changed, could not pass guns down to adult children without them applying for FuLs through the corrupt process. Guns had to be given up and melted/destroyed.

Newer generation of land owners had to salt, predial larceny, pest control etc were made more difficult.

[pugboy]

hunting use was given easier access to shotguns back in the day too
also after one of the coup attempts 1970 or 1990
they put in stupid stipulation that pellet guns must be smoothbore and no more air pistols
dunno which bright spark ag idea that was

[alfa]

1990 was done with illegal guns and 1970 with state owned guns.

Trinidad mentality is to just restrict everything without attacking the root cause, hoping it'll prevent reoccurrence

[hover11]

Question if everybody was armed would business owners still have need for security companies and their hefty packages such as the Syrian owned one in particular that is the second largest employer in this country?

[alfa]

You make a good point there hooves.
Never thought about that

[pugboy]

there would still be crime but a level or two down

[hover11]

I keep telling allya I watching this from a rich must get richer perspective ever since I heard those words my whole perspective of this country changed I now understand why the status quo remained the same

[pugboy]

yuh think some of them 1% could make it the same way in another country with a more level playing field?

I keep telling allya I watching this from a rich must get richer perspective ever since I heard those words my whole perspective of this country changed I now understand why the status quo remained the same

[hover11]

Never remember is only in this small island they could play big tantos...big fish in little pond syndrome put them in the ocean with the bigger fish and see

yuh think some of them 1% could make it the same way in another country with a more level playing field?

I keep telling allya I watching this from a rich must get richer perspective ever since I heard those words my whole perspective of this country changed I now understand why the status quo remained the same

[mero]

Question if everybody was armed would business owners still have need for security companies and their hefty packages such as the Syrian owned one in particular that is the second largest employer in this country?

Having a gun doesn't make you, your family or your vehicle bulletproof.

Cuz you have a gun you'd feel safe driving around with large sums of cash everyday?

Having a gun don't mean you trained or even ready for a firefight. You in a bulletproof vest 24/7?

Ppl pay for convenience, less risk and peace or mind

Everyone can wash their own car but car washes always full right?

Basic human resources and common sense

[hover11]

Question if everybody was armed would business owners still have need for security companies and their hefty packages such as the Syrian owned one in particular that is the second largest employer in this country?

Having a gun doesn't make you, your family or your vehicle bulletproof.

Cuz you have a gun you'd feel safe driving around with large sums of cash everyday?

Having a gun don't mean you trained or even ready for a firefight. You in a bulletproof vest 24/7?

Ppl pay for convenience, less risk and peace or mind

Everyone can wash their own car but car washes always full right?

Basic human resources and common sense

Well you stay their defenseless I apply for My FUL when bandit come into your home tell them you dont need a firearm

[mero]

What that reply have anything to do with the question u ask? Bots malfunctioning yes

[alfa]

Never remember is only in this small island they could play big tantos...big fish in little pond syndrome put them in the ocean with the bigger fish and see

yuh think some of them 1% could make it the same way in another country with a more level playing field?

I keep telling allya I watching this from a rich must get richer perspective ever since I heard those words my whole perspective of this country changed I now understand why the status quo remained the same

Also a lot of those Syrian Lebanese top shottas in Trinidad couldn't use that as a flex in a big country where real white folks will make them out for middle eastern. Might even be called terrorists.
They ain't never leaving here

[pugboy]

jews > arabs

[16 cycles]

Question if everybody was armed would business owners still have need for security companies and their hefty packages such as the Syrian owned one in particular that is the second largest employer in this country?

Having a gun doesn't make you, your family or your vehicle bulletproof.

Cuz you have a gun you'd feel safe driving around with large sums of cash everyday?

With or without a legal firearm, risk is same

Having a gun don't mean you trained or even ready for a firefight. You in a bulletproof vest 24/7?

There is a basic proficiency test. Even police who have firearms as everyday carry are not competent. Some are, some are not. Those who serious would put the time in to minimize their risk and maximize their effective response. Nothing guaranteed, you can still end up in a coffin with John Wick skills.

Ppl pay for convenience, less risk and peace or mind

Everyone can wash their own car but car washes always full right?

Basic human resources and common sense

[The_Honourable]

Guys... quick question

How exactly TTPS can prosecute a FUL holder who fired a warning shot? You're not allowed to do so?

Article below for context:


'Knife-wielding' neighbour prompts warning shot in St. James—FUL holder held, firearm taken by police

A licensed firearm holder is now facing possible prosecution after allegedly discharging his weapon during a confrontation with a neighbour on Thursday evening in St. James.

According to police reports, around 6:00 p.m. on May 29th, 2025, the firearm user reported that he was in the driveway of his home with his wife, daughter, and brother-in-law when an argument erupted with his neighbour, a 35-year-old of Brunton Street, St. James.

He told police that his neighbour, armed with a knife, was behaving erratically and issued verbal threats against him and his family. He claimed the man advanced onto his private property and continued to threaten him while making stabbing motions with the knife.

Fearing for his life and the safety of his family, the firearm holder said he unholstered his Smith & Wesson M&P .40 calibre pistol loaded with 13 rounds, and fired a warning shot into the air.

Officers responded to the scene, interviewed the parties involved, and later conveyed the FUL holder to the St. James Police Station. There, he was informed of the intention to prosecute. His firearm, along with three magazines and 30 rounds of ammunition, were seized as part of the investigation.

The matter is currently being investigated by PC Phipps of the St. James CID.— Story by Ian Alleyne Network

[pugboy]

he shoulda report it asap along with the appropriate story

proper firearm training involves story telling as well

[matr1x]

he shoulda report it asap along with the appropriate story

proper firearm training involves story telling as well

You are very correct.

The minutes after are crucial in the call in are vital in establishing victim/ perp narrative

[MaxPower]

Yep,

The TTPS is right to seize the firearm and the FUL should be revoked.

Any trained FUL holder can tell you that firing a “warning shot” is NEVER taught in training. When you do not hit your target, a stray bullet can endanger the lives of others. When you discharge to the sky, who collecting that? A hunter in the bush? Someone’s property? Jezus?

Logical thinking:

Which situation is more justified?

Loss of life from a reckless stray bullet?

Or,

Based on a threat presented on YOUR property where aggression and a weapon is also involved…the threat is immobilized.

Revoke the FUL.

[mero]

Guys... quick question

How exactly TTPS can prosecute a FUL holder who fired a warning shot? You're not allowed to do so?

Article below for context:


'Knife-wielding' neighbour prompts warning shot in St. James—FUL holder held, firearm taken by police

A licensed firearm holder is now facing possible prosecution after allegedly discharging his weapon during a confrontation with a neighbour on Thursday evening in St. James.

According to police reports, around 6:00 p.m. on May 29th, 2025, the firearm user reported that he was in the driveway of his home with his wife, daughter, and brother-in-law when an argument erupted with his neighbour, a 35-year-old of Brunton Street, St. James.

He told police that his neighbour, armed with a knife, was behaving erratically and issued verbal threats against him and his family. He claimed the man advanced onto his private property and continued to threaten him while making stabbing motions with the knife.

Fearing for his life and the safety of his family, the firearm holder said he unholstered his Smith & Wesson M&P .40 calibre pistol loaded with 13 rounds, and fired a warning shot into the air.

Officers responded to the scene, interviewed the parties involved, and later conveyed the FUL holder to the St. James Police Station. There, he was informed of the intention to prosecute. His firearm, along with three magazines and 30 rounds of ammunition, were seized as part of the investigation.

The matter is currently being investigated by PC Phipps of the St. James CID.— Story by Ian Alleyne Network

There was no knife. This was over garbage literally. Bachanal and ranking ting, usual trini behaviour...

Man just begging not to lose he FUL with that knife talk

[alfa]

Yeah each shot needs to be accounted for and a warning shot fired into the air can do significant damage miles down.

But even if he didn't pull that dumb move, the protocol is to take your firearm for forensics testing once you engage a threat, justified shooting or not, positive impact or missed shot. There are people who took previous COPs to court to get back same. Hopefully stand your ground would address this