Interchange at Curepe - Churchill Roosevelt Highway/Southern Main Road flyover

[toyota2nr]

So they refused to pay the people the price for their property saying that their price is too high. How much Rohan get for his?

[SR]

I am hearing of claims of $250/sq ft that residents are making for thier land

[Kalisnakov]

So they refused to pay the people the price for their property saying that their price is too high. How much Rohan get for his?

This exactly!!!

[Slartibartfast]

Chinese company awarded a $400,000,000 contract at $180,000,000 below the initial estimate? Am I seeing that correctly? Why weren't they disqualified for their pricing being too far off from the estimate which normally indicates that the contractor is not fully aware of the extent of works required?

I must be missing something. Somebody please tell me why I'm wrong. One thing I know for sure is that if I am not wrong this interchange will not get built for $221,000,000.

Suppose the employer asked the contractor to re-confirm his tender and he did? The employer has the contractor's performance security and the contract has delay damages. Probably, the employer is comfortable that he is well protected in this instance.

I expect the contractor was asked to confirm his tender. Not asking would be negligence given the large difference.

Once the expected losses are more than the performance security then the contractor will begin to think about termination. A performance security is normally like what? 10-15%? Thats like 22 to 30 million with a likely loss of 180 million. At that point a performance security won't do much. Delay damages is good but has delay damages ever been paid by a foreign contractor on a public project this size (or any project over like 25mil)? I've never seen it done in any significant way. I once saw the client and contractor agree to let the delay damages cancel out the overheads required for the extra time required to complete the project (don't remember if the EOT was formally granted or not)

If the employer has any sense then the last thing they will be is "comfortable". Best case scenario, they wasted money on an inaccurate engineer's estimate. More likely scenario (seeing that the contractor is chinese) they saw a severely underbid tender and decided to gamble on it to save money. I would like to see what the other tender prices were.

I've been personally involved in projects with financials just like this and they always end up overbudget and behind schedule because of the domino effects of all of the problems that the financial contraints cause. If this project does not run into financial problems then it would be an exception but I'm not holding my breath.

[ProtonPowder]

Even $250/sf is a very conservative market value for that area. The comparables would have been so few and far between for that locality that they would have had to most likely extrapolate adjustments for increases over time from 3-4 year old conveyances.

The issue with that is that land values dont increase linearly in TnT, they never have, especially in areas with such huge potential. Then again, with compulsory acquisitions, intended purpose is always discarded in calculation.

[The_Honourable]

The Minister of Works and Transport has signed a warrant which will allow the state to forcefully seize the land it was unable to acquire for the Curepe interchange project.

The Works Ministry says it tried all reasonable avenues for negotiations but now they must use this heavy-handed approach.

But the affected landowners say the state is not being fair.

[assassin]

Chinese company awarded a $400,000,000 contract at $180,000,000 below the initial estimate? Am I seeing that correctly? Why weren't they disqualified for their pricing being too far off from the estimate which normally indicates that the contractor is not fully aware of the extent of works required?

I must be missing something. Somebody please tell me why I'm wrong. One thing I know for sure is that if I am not wrong this interchange will not get built for $221,000,000.

Suppose the employer asked the contractor to re-confirm his tender and he did? The employer has the contractor's performance security and the contract has delay damages. Probably, the employer is comfortable that he is well protected in this instance.

I expect the contractor was asked to confirm his tender. Not asking would be negligence given the large difference.

Once the expected losses are more than the performance security then the contractor will begin to think about termination. A performance security is normally like what? 10-15%? Thats like 22 to 30 million with a likely loss of 180 million. At that point a performance security won't do much. Delay damages is good but has delay damages ever been paid by a foreign contractor on a public project this size (or any project over like 25mil)? I've never seen it done in any significant way. I once saw the client and contractor agree to let the delay damages cancel out the overheads required for the extra time required to complete the project (don't remember if the EOT was formally granted or not)

If the employer has any sense then the last thing they will be is "comfortable". Best case scenario, they wasted money on an inaccurate engineer's estimate. More likely scenario (seeing that the contractor is chinese) they saw a severely underbid tender and decided to gamble on it to save money. I would like to see what the other tender prices were.

I've been personally involved in projects with financials just like this and they always end up overbudget and behind schedule because of the domino effects of all of the problems that the financial contraints cause. If this project does not run into financial problems then it would be an exception but I'm not holding my breath.

The superstructure proposed was lighter and comprises steel girders and beams that would be manufactured and fabricated in China and shipped to Trinidad. No one anywhere else in the world can match that cost

The substructure is therefore correspondingly less extensive than the concept. I saw what looks to be a continuous flight piling rig on site when I was passing on the highway today

[Ben_spanna]

And yet another Chinese company in Trinidad being awarded a multi million dollar deal, mean while another Chinese company who has been here operating for several years is owning locals millions of dollars and they seemingly have no intention to pay...... yet government is not lifting a single finger to to help the locals recover funds.

[Slartibartfast]

Chinese company awarded a $400,000,000 contract at $180,000,000 below the initial estimate? Am I seeing that correctly? Why weren't they disqualified for their pricing being too far off from the estimate which normally indicates that the contractor is not fully aware of the extent of works required?

I must be missing something. Somebody please tell me why I'm wrong. One thing I know for sure is that if I am not wrong this interchange will not get built for $221,000,000.

Suppose the employer asked the contractor to re-confirm his tender and he did? The employer has the contractor's performance security and the contract has delay damages. Probably, the employer is comfortable that he is well protected in this instance.

I expect the contractor was asked to confirm his tender. Not asking would be negligence given the large difference.

Once the expected losses are more than the performance security then the contractor will begin to think about termination. A performance security is normally like what? 10-15%? Thats like 22 to 30 million with a likely loss of 180 million. At that point a performance security won't do much. Delay damages is good but has delay damages ever been paid by a foreign contractor on a public project this size (or any project over like 25mil)? I've never seen it done in any significant way. I once saw the client and contractor agree to let the delay damages cancel out the overheads required for the extra time required to complete the project (don't remember if the EOT was formally granted or not)

If the employer has any sense then the last thing they will be is "comfortable". Best case scenario, they wasted money on an inaccurate engineer's estimate. More likely scenario (seeing that the contractor is chinese) they saw a severely underbid tender and decided to gamble on it to save money. I would like to see what the other tender prices were.

I've been personally involved in projects with financials just like this and they always end up overbudget and behind schedule because of the domino effects of all of the problems that the financial contraints cause. If this project does not run into financial problems then it would be an exception but I'm not holding my breath.

The superstructure proposed was lighter and comprises steel girders and beams that would be manufactured and fabricated in China and shipped to Trinidad. No one anywhere else in the world can match that cost

The substructure is therefore correspondingly less extensive than the concept. I saw what looks to be a continuous flight piling rig on site when I was passing on the highway today

Cool. I would be very interested to see the details. The project managers need to be on their toes though. Chinese business practices different. You cannot take anything for granted. I would love nothing more than to see this project succeed but I guess we will wait and see.

[RedVEVO]

^^
The Chinese do the BEST work @ affordable prices .

Let us all admire and learn from these excellent workers .

Their work ethic is excellent .

Support the Chinese since they are building Trinidad .

[shake d livin wake d dead]

So they refused to pay the people the price for their property saying that their price is too high. How much Rohan get for his?

way above market value

[screwbash]

cnc3 say MOWT gonna send a warrant man to trow out the home owners from they own land. Jack warmer former minister of works could NOT get the bar in tumpuna road south to move an in fact the man renovate an they still cant move him. the houses around grand bazar owned by the man who duz fly the plane still dey and dey cyah move he either now they wah bully and intimidate them lil indian in curepe. they move the flyover away from the rich people condos to affect the poor people. if i was them i wuda file ah injunction stopping all works for years an bring in the United Nations cause human right law i have a right to enjoy my property and go to court and show how the flyover was moved and let MOWT explain y it was moved and tie this up for 10 years and sheit in court.
i doh mind the flyover being built but pay the people market value and doh sit in air condition office in fancy chair like lord and master and bully the poor people. i remember when the house on the LHS as you enter by kay donna had burnt down about 12 years ago an d people rebuilt and now yuh wanna destory they life again. the people know what they life and property worth not no valuator. i sure the kay donna property get paid big money. y d mowt doh disclose that info. dam mc bullies.

[pete]

I agree. So five residents are asking for $250/sqft vs $175. Even on 10k sq ft lots that's a total difference of what? 3.75M? With the potential to stall this process it seems like they are just being penny wise.. or is it that the penalties paid for delays have some form of contributions included?

[hydroep]

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Doh worry...when the mark busssss on the cumuto to manzan highway allyuh go bawl....the trailer: "a certain high official told a certain big businessman to start construction on his property and stop it at the same time, because the highway passing righ there, so time for $$$ to pass allyuh know the scene"..

[SPK1983]

Doh worry...when the mark busssss on the cumuto to manzan highway allyuh go bawl....the trailer: "a certain high official told a certain big businessman to start construction on his property and stop it at the same time, because the highway passing righ there, so time for $$$ to pass allyuh know the scene"..

Well yuh could bawl till yuh Blue in the face, when the gov't come for yuh land, all you can do is move to the Mountain.

[MaxPower]

Hmmm its sad that these Curepe people have to move from their homes or face eviction.

But jeez man, at least offer them a little more than the market value for their property. I mean, whats a measly few million more for the govt to pay? But unfortunately, the govt calling the price and the people have no say.

Pay the people, and onwards with the project.

[randolphinshan]

Hmmm its sad that these Curepe people have to move from their homes or face eviction.

But jeez man, at least offer them a little more than the market value for their property. I mean, whats a measly few million more for the govt to pay? But unfortunately, the govt calling the price and the people have no say.

Pay the people, and onwards with the project.

Maxine Power is correct here. Pay the people. How much a few extra millions going to cost. Plus the project already costing millions less compared to the price PP BANDIT Rambachand wanted to charge.

This government has SAVED this country millions. If you think I lie ask Stacy, who they fired for speaking out.

[vaiostation]

Precedent done set. Once those at the top want ya land, it ain't have nothing you can do.
Don't be surprised when this begin happening more in the future...

[pugboy]

I thought the man lived north Valsayn from small
Only find out recently he parents and ting from grande long time

Doh worry...when the mark busssss on the cumuto to manzan highway allyuh go bawl....the trailer: "a certain high official told a certain big businessman to start construction on his property and stop it at the same time, because the highway passing righ there, so time for $$$ to pass allyuh know the scene"..

[The_Honourable]

NIDCO boss - Curepe Interchange by November



The Curepe In­ter­change is ex­pect­ed to be com­plet­ed by No­vem­ber of this year.

This was an­nounced by NID­CO chair­man Hu­bert George dur­ing the sod turn­ing cer­e­mo­ny for the in­ter­change on Wednes­day morn­ing.

The in­ter­change is ex­pect­ed to cost $221 mil­lion, a fig­ure that both Prime Min­is­ter Dr Kei­th Row­ley and Min­is­ter of Works and Trans­port Ro­han Sinanan said was sig­nif­i­cant­ly low­er than the $513 mil­lion al­lo­ca­tion grant­ed to the project un­der the pre­vi­ous Peo­ple's Part­ner­ship ad­min­is­tra­tion.

The Prime Min­is­ter raised ques­tions about the dis­crep­an­cy dur­ing his fea­ture ad­dress at the cer­e­mo­ny.

"Where was that 200 or 300 mil­lion dol­lars go­ing?" asked the Prime Min­is­ter.

Sinanan al­so point­ed out the $221m fig­ure was al­so sig­nif­i­cant­ly low­er than the $346m ini­tial­ly al­lo­cat­ed by this Gov­ern­ment. He said the mon­ey saved on the project should fi­nance the Ma­coya In­ter­change, which is one of six more in­ter­changes which are to be con­struct­ed as part of Gov­ern­ment's plan to free up the na­tion's high­ways of traf­fic con­ges­tion.

Source: http://www.cnc3.co.tt/press-release/nid ... e-november

[The_Honourable]

The Curepe Interchange Project is expected to be completed by November this year and will cost taxpayers $221 million.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Would we ever know how much rohani get

[pugboy]

Sight of that woman is just plain repulsive

[ProtonPowder]

Looks like they finally gave the residents some more damn money. And since they quiet, I assume they also signed a NDA.

[maj. tom]

Traffic changes at Curepe/CR Highway intersection
For next 6 months

THE Ministry of Works and Transport has announced changes to the traffic flow to facilitate ongoing construction on the Churchill Roosevelt Highway overpass in Curepe. The change will be in effect for the next six months.

The ministry, in a press release, said the existing highway and southern main road intersection will be shifted approximately 150 m east.

Drivers heading east on the highway who want to turn south to the southern main road (SMR) will have to merge right, on to the turning lane, and follow traffic signals until they reach the SMR via Ramp G.

Drivers heading west on the highway who want to turn south to get to the SMR will take the new deceleration lane and proceed to the SMR via Ramp G.

Those going west on the highway, wanting to turn north to Curepe will merge right on to the turning lane and proceed north to Ramp D.

Drivers heading north on the SMR who want to proceed east or to continue north across the highway intersection, will need to turn right on to access ramp G and continue either north towards Curepe or turn east on to the highway.

South-bound drivers on the SMR North (from Curepe) who want to proceed east on to the highway must turn left on to Ramp D.

Drivers on the SMR from Curepe who want to cross the highway to continue south on the SMR must turn left on to Ramp D, proceed to the new intersection and continue until they cross the highway and get back onto the SMR.

Drivers heading south on the SMR from Curepe who want to head west on the highway shall turn left on to Ramp D, to the new intersection then right as directed by the traffic signal to access the westbound lane of the highway.

Drivers heading north on the SMR on the southern side of the highway intersection or on the westbound lane of the highway who want to access Valsayn Branch Road/KFC must proceed west along the highway and make a U-turn at the Prince Charles Intersection and proceed east to northern side of the SMR.

Drivers proceeding south along SMR from Curepe will have to proceed along Ramp D to the CR Highway to the new intersection and turn right as directed by the traffic signal and continue as above to make the U-turn at Prince Charles Intersection.

All drivers exiting the Valsayn Branch Road must proceed north. Those who want to proceed to Curepe will continue north along the SMR. Those who want to proceed to the highway or cross it to get to the southern section of the SMR will turn right on to Ramp D and continue as directed by the traffic signal.
https://newsday.co.tt/2019/06/22/traffi ... ersection/

[maj. tom]

New traffic flow for Curepe

Sat Jun 22 2019
The new traffic plan for the Curepe interchange.

Come Mon­day, the new traf­fic flow of the South­ern Main Road in the vicin­i­ty of the Curepe In­ter­sec­tion will be in ef­fect.

But, there seemed to be a lot of work to be done this week­end.



A vis­it to the site right yes­ter­day showed that the de­cel­er­a­tion or fil­ter lanes are yet to be paved, Ramp G which is lo­cat­ed to the south­ern side of the South­ern Main Road (near to where Kay Don­na Dri­ve-In used to be) is still to be com­plet­ed and the new traf­fic lights are not in place.

The new traf­fic sig­nals are to re­place the ex­ist­ing ones at the in­ter­sec­tion and will be placed 100 me­tres or so near to the en­trance to ramps G and D (lo­cat­ed on the north­ern side of the South­ern Main Road).

What this es­sen­tial­ly means is that the new traf­fic plan which will come in­to ef­fect on June 24, will not re­move the need for any traf­fic lights but rather the sig­nals will be placed at a dif­fer­ent lo­ca­tion and the ramps will be used to ac­cess both sides of the South­ern Main Road.

Min­is­ter of Works and Trans­port Ro­han Sinanan said every­thing is go­ing ac­cord­ing to sched­ule and in­sist­ed that the en­tire project will be com­plet­ed by the end of the year.

“If you pass there you’ll see the roads are about 75 to 80 per­cent com­plet­ed, the steel struc­ture is com­ing in from Chi­na, so while we put in all the an­cil­lary work, one day you’ll pass there and see all the steel on the ground and with­in a week you’ll see the steel up. What you’re see­ing there is the foun­da­tion and then the bridge will be in­stalled in a short space of time.”

The Min­is­ter said Mon­day’s traf­fic changes are nec­es­sary be­cause it is an ac­tive project.

He said once an area is com­plet­ed the traf­fic must be shift­ed so that there is a free flow.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/new-traf ... 9f703ab0f6

[matr1x]

How long are you going to blame PP randol?

[RedVEVO]

^^

The interchange will not work !!!

Not, not, not not ...

It is such a waste of money !!!

There are 4 bottle-necks ..

It's an engineering nightmare .

[pugboy]

Just passed there, the lines for the north/south traffic on the north side were painted, none on south side.
No traffic lights were up yet and did not see any workmen, unless they showing up to work later tonight it doesn't look like this change happening for tomorrow Monday.