LFA Nurburgring Edition

[zeeshan66]

http://www.inautonews.com/lexus-lfa-nurburgring-edition

The limited edition LFA will make its public debut in early March at the 2011 Geneva Auto Show.

The Package includes aerodynamic enhancements to improve downforce, modifications to increase the V10 engine’s maximum power by 10bhp to 562bhp, and quicker upshifts for the six-speed semi-automatic sequential gearbox. The Nurburgring Package will add $70,000 to the LFA’s base price of $375,000. A matte-black finish costs another $20,000.On the technical side a stiffer suspension system with increased adjustability and new lightweight alloys featuring semi-slick tyres are outfitted to the vehicle.
Only 50 of the 500 LFAs to be built will be delivered with this package.

[Rory Phoulorie]

Supercar price for not so supercar performance (when compared to similarly priced supercars). Aesthetics aren't all that either. Nice engine sound though.

[TechArt]

Its a Toyota man........... that thing will live forever........ it will be rarer than sum Ferrari models.

[foss]

wantz

[luke skywalker]

booooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GTR FTMFW

[seecarr11]

quotes taken from various sources across the net, car and driver, top gear, evo magazine etc
you decide

"The LFA was also named to the Top Gear 100 Sexiest Supercars of All Time list in 2010"
LFA was picked as the "Stig's most favorite supercar"
"Lexus LFA's 4.8 Liter V10 was selected as the "best engine of the year" over SLS AMG's V8, 458 Italia's V8, GTR's V6, LP570-4 and R8's V10, Porsche GT2 RS and GT3 RS' flat-6, Evora's V6 and Focus RS500's inline-5 engines"
"The only street-car engine that matches this one for smoothness, ecstatic noise, and power delivery is the 458 Italia’s"
"Car and Driver concluded in its review of the LFA and its performance that the carbon-fiber supercar rated as a "bargain" compared to the more expensive Enzo Ferrari and Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren"
"LFA costs 6 times more than the 193 mph Nissan GT-R but is not 6 times faster",
"a Bugatti Veyron is not 12 times more than the GT-R", nothing is 6 times more than a GT-R either


Imho, LFA = santa claus level epic bag of WIN

especially when you think that this is their first try at making a supercar

[Rory Phoulorie]

...especially when you think that this is their first try at making a supercar

I'm sorry. I will accept that if it was Hyundai or some other relatively "new" car company. But Toyota has been in the business a long time and the last Supra was no slouch for that period.

Don't get me wrong, it is an extremely competent car. But to be honest, for a car that was 10 years in development, I would have expected more from Toyota.

[Bezman]

Rory, please, the supra is NO supercar then or now..

the LFA is. you may be able to buy 3 gtr's for the cost of one LFA, but i taking the LFA everyday and any day over the gtr.. hell if i could afford a LFA, the gtr would be my beater

[cacasplat3]

i like the car.......but the cost is unjustifiable....when you consider a jap car usually does the same things a european car does, except it does it better, last longer and costs less, the LFA just doesn't fit in.......
if it was my money, and i was going to spend it.........i can guarantee that some italian or german company would get my money before the japs........they just do supercars better.........

[Bezman]

i like the car.......but the cost is unjustifiable....when you consider a jap car usually does the same things a european car does, except it does it better, last longer and costs less, the LFA just doesn't fit in.......
if it was my money, and i was going to spend it.........i can guarantee that some italian or german company would get my money before the japs........they just do supercars better.........

everyone and anyone i know who has seen a LFA in person will disagree with you, apparently they look allot bette rin person, the build quality is amazing and the engine is phenomenal

[seecarr11]

i like the car.......but the cost is unjustifiable....when you consider a jap car usually does the same things a european car does, except it does it better, last longer and costs less, the LFA just doesn't fit in.......
if it was my money, and i was going to spend it.........i can guarantee that some italian or german company would get my money before the japs........they just do supercars better.........

that sort of thinking is exactly what you expect from someone that can't see "outside of the box" in this case can't see past a brand name. i strongly believe that if this car had a raging bull or a prancing horse logo on it rather than "L" or "F" nobody would have said anything about its price. and the fact is, that is the only real grievance anyone has with the car. its price. Everything else gets top marks

consider this, the carbon lambo (Sesto Elemento?) has almost the same numbers, same construction material etc but you don't even get proper seats and yet is costs more than a the LFA which, in addition to power, has everything you'd expect from a luxury car (eg seat belts that actually double as airbags) plus a whole lot more leading edge tech (latest reports put the lambo @ 2.15million pounds sterling)

http://www.trinituner.com/v3/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=335696

why no comments on that?

oh right.. its a lambo so its allowed to cost more just because of the band, not because u actually getting more car

flame suit on . *waits for the 6*more than an GTR comment*

[cacasplat3]

everyone and anyone i know who has seen a LFA in person will disagree with you, apparently they look allot bette rin person, the build quality is amazing and the engine is phenomenal

i wont argue your points.....it looks good, and i do like it.

that sort of thinking is exactly what you expect from someone that can't see "outside of the box" in this case can't see past a brand name. i strongly believe that if this car had a raging bull or a prancing horse logo on it rather than "L" or "F" nobody would have said anything about its price. and the fact is, that is the only real grievance anyone has with the car. its price. Everything else gets top marks

consider this, the carbon lambo (Sesto Elemento?) has almost the same numbers, same construction material etc but you don't even get proper seats and yet is costs more than a the LFA which, in addition to power, has everything you'd expect from a luxury car (eg seat belts that actually double as airbags) plus a whole lot more leading edge tech (latest reports put the lambo @ 2.15million pounds sterling)

http://www.trinituner.com/v3/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=335696

why no comments on that?

oh right.. its a lambo so its allowed to cost more just because of the band, not because u actually getting more car

flame suit on . *waits for the 6*more than an GTR comment*

first of, i am no fanboy of any particular brand of cars.......if i like it, i say so, if not, well they wont get my money if i was in the market.
i personally find the veyron ugly and distasteful, but i appreciate what it does, and how well it does it.
when the GTR was launched, i said very early that i did not like it, and i still don't.......put an R32 GTR next to the R35, and i wont take my eyes off the R32.....

you say the only grievance with the LFA is its price, but its not a small matter, the car is extremely pricey for what it is.....a lexus.....
the reason lambos and ferraris are expensive is because the brands are associated with their eventful histories........sure they are expensive, and the companies turn a massive profit on them, but the feeling you get from owning (not driving) a european exotic and a jap sports car just isnt the same........
i have absolutely no arguments with the car as a machine, its fast and very well built, it looks good, and sounds incredible (a lot like a murcielago), but there is still no way of justifying the cost of it.........(comparing it to the cost of a lambo is silly....lol)

i'll put it this way, if you told me i had the choice for an LFA Nur, and a Murcielago LP570-4 SV, and the car would be free, i'd go for the lambo........its just more outrageous........and when i think about it, thats prob my problem with the LFA.....its not mad enough

[seecarr11]

the last part where you point out its just not as outrageous (in the looks department), i can agree with that. that is one of the things lambo does best. Ultimately, though the looks issue is a matter of opinion.

my question again is, if lambo or some italian brand had made the lfa, would you're opinion change or would the price have mattered?

by the way you wrote, i think it might, because you stated clearly its image/brand that would drive your choice.

the LFA a supercar and it should be compared to the other supercars. that is the market its aimed at. i brought a comparison on two cars that use the same construction material, both v10s, both doing 550+hp, both exclusive and you saying comparing them is silly?

sorry but that makes no sense

[cacasplat3]

my question again is, if lambo or some italian brand had made the lfa, would you're opinion change or would the price have mattered?

by the way you wrote, i think it might, because you stated clearly its image/brand that would drive your choice.


the LFA a supercar and it should be compared to the other supercars. that is the market its aimed at. i brought a comparison on two cars that use the same construction material, both v10s, both doing 550+hp, both exclusive and you saying comparing them is silly?

sorry but that makes no sense

its hard to say if i would pay the price if another badge was on it....maybe i would, maybe i wouldn't......i'm already biased against the car cuz of its price.....it does what it does very well, but lets not forget that i'm not justifying the cost of a lambo(they are overpriced too), i'm trying to justify the cost of the LFA.........the performance-price ratio on the car is way way over the limit......toyota had very very high expectations of the car and it met those expectations, but is seems that the accountants mixed up their numbers somewhere......
don't think i do not like the car...because i do, but there is an elephant in the corner with it........

as for comparing the lambo with the lexus(i'm not sure why you chose that particular car, but i think there are many more cars for much less that are similar performance wise)........however, both are similar, and have their drawbacks, but lets face it, if you bought both of them.....you'd only love one.

[ThatDamnDrunk]

Toyota made cars like the Toyota 7 and the GT-one in its decorated Motorsports history. They also have achieved a manufacturers title in WRC and have also managed to participate in F1. Toyota definitely knows what its doing.

For those who think this is a slow car and have been reading magazines; just know that automotive journalists aren't the best drivers (something which is openly stated by top gear and has been proven on the nurburgring with sport auto super test driver Hourst Von Saurma; his GT-R time is more than 10 seconds slower than Toshio Suzuki's therefore making his tests inconclusive) and some are actually biased due to the car's nationality (proved again when the GT-R picked up a reputation for decimating some German supercars and some Germans couldn't believe it). To those who doubt the LF-A's performance, Toyota has claimed to have put down sub 7:20 laps on the Nurburgring though the actual lap times have never been released; however, for a car to be three seconds faster in the wet than the fastest wet lap on top gear's test track is a true statement of this car's performance (especially when the car it beat was an AWD Lamborghini). It's also notable to say that the Stig described this as his favourite for its sheer madness in the top gear magazine comparison of the top 2010 supercars.

But if you want to justify its price its no problem. Why is it so expensive? The engine is great; the v10 it revs to 9000rpm so fast that the tachometer had to be made digital to keep up with the engine's speed. But that's not it. Below is a video on how every part of the LF-A frame was made; that's aeronautical grade carbon fiber woven by one of only two of those machines (in the video) in the world. I dare you to price the cost of that machine

But everyone can feel free to still rant on like they know everything from a magazine of course

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

your's truly,

Drunk

[~Vēġó~]

still overpriced ....

[seecarr11]

"Car and Driver concluded in its review of the LFA and its performance that the carbon-fiber supercar rated as a "bargain" compared to the more expensive Enzo Ferrari and Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren"

when compared to other carbon fibre cars, this thing is a giveaway

[cacasplat3]

Toyota made cars like the Toyota 7 and the GT-one in its decorated Motorsports history. They also have achieved a manufacturers title in WRC and have also managed to participate in F1. Toyota definitely knows what its doing.

For those who think this is a slow car and have been reading magazines; just know that automotive journalists aren't the best drivers (something which is openly stated by top gear and has been proven on the nurburgring with sport auto super test driver Hourst Von Saurma; his GT-R time is more than 10 seconds slower than Toshio Suzuki's therefore making his tests inconclusive) and some are actually biased due to the car's nationality (proved again when the GT-R picked up a reputation for decimating some German supercars and some Germans couldn't believe it). To those who doubt the LF-A's performance, Toyota has claimed to have put down sub 7:20 laps on the Nurburgring though the actual lap times have never been released; however, for a car to be three seconds faster in the wet than the fastest wet lap on top gear's test track is a true statement of this car's performance (especially when the car it beat was an AWD Lamborghini). It's also notable to say that the Stig described this as his favourite for its sheer madness in the top gear magazine comparison of the top 2010 supercars.

But if you want to justify its price its no problem. Why is it so expensive? The engine is great; the v10 it revs to 9000rpm so fast that the tachometer had to be made digital to keep up with the engine's speed. But that's not it. Below is a video on how every part of the LF-A frame was made; that's aeronautical grade carbon fiber woven by one of only two of those machines (in the video) in the world. I dare you to price the cost of that machine

But everyone can feel free to still rant on like they know everything from a magazine of course

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

your's truly,

Drunk

"rant on like they know everything from a magazine"
but almost everything in your post is from online vids and mags..........

the issue with the tach is only hype.........trust me, its hype.......present instrumentation is a lot more advanced than you can imagine........a lot of sport bikes will rev from idle to 16000rpm in the blink of an eye.......and their factory tachs work just fine.......like i said......hype

finally, the machine for the carbon fibre is very very similar to the one used in the manufacture of yachting ropes (Mayfair Pole style).......but because the design has been sufficiently modified to be used with carbon fibre, its possible to use the word "invent"

"Car and Driver concluded in its review of the LFA and its performance that the carbon-fiber supercar rated as a "bargain" compared to the more expensive Enzo Ferrari and Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren"

when compared to other carbon fibre cars, this thing is a giveaway

bear in mind there are non-carbon cars that are just as fast as those cars mentioned, but yet cost way way less.........and lets not forget the purpose of carbon......its to improve the vehicle.........if a conventional bodied vehicle comes along and beats it around a track, while costing 1/2 the price, thats a step backwards for the carbon car......not so?

like i said before, if it was MY money, i'd definitely get a lambo..........you just get "more" for your money.........

[seecarr11]

how is 2.15million for the same 570hp/carbon fibre vs 350k getting more for your money? the interior doesn't even come close to the luxury in the LFA.

[cacasplat3]

how is 2.15million for the same 570hp/carbon fibre vs 350k getting more for your money? the interior doesn't even come close to the luxury in the LFA.

2.15 million for which lambo? the one that hasn't been released yet?
i said a lambo, not the lambo.....just to clarify, i was referring to the standard murcielago........



by the way, IMO, the murcielago LP670-4 SV is a much much better buy, even though its more expensive than the LFA Nur

[seecarr11]

if you say so dude. we're all entitled to our opinions.