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48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby AbstractPoetic » April 12th, 2011, 7:43 pm

Your answer?

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby DevilZ » April 12th, 2011, 7:45 pm

answer is two

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby K74T » April 12th, 2011, 7:45 pm

288 :|

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby ismithx » April 12th, 2011, 7:46 pm

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby teems1 » April 12th, 2011, 7:47 pm

?

this some sort of trick question?

48 / 2 * (9 + 3)
= 24 * 12
= 288

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby DevilZ » April 12th, 2011, 7:47 pm

bodmas...brackets fuss 2x12=24, 48/24=2

48
--------- = 2
2(9+3)
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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby AbstractPoetic » April 12th, 2011, 7:51 pm

Huge debate going on amongst engineers, physicists, etc. on whether or not its 2 or 288. My vote is for 2.

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby K74T » April 12th, 2011, 7:58 pm

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48÷2(9+3) = ? is a math problem that, depending on the order of operations used, leads to two different answers: 2 and 288. It can be a hot topic for debate, and is sometimes used to troll other users because of the argument that can result afterward.
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This internet phenomenon exploded on April 7th, 2011, around the same time when searches for “48÷2(9+3) =” spiked on Google. Forum threads created that day include BodyBuilding.com, Physics Forums WallStreetOasis.com, SpartanTailgate, grasscity.com, Tennis Warehouse, Inside MD Sports, and The Escapist. On April 8th, it popped up on 6Theory, NIKETLK, Yahoo! Answers, DIYMA.com, and The Ill Community.
The Solution

There are considerable arguments for both answers, but the general consensus is that writing ambiguous fractions like “2/6x” makes solving such problems confusing, and it is considered bad form to write ambiguously written fractions in the first place.
Standard Order of Operations

If one strictly uses the standard order of operations to solve mathematical expressions, the answer to the problem would be 288, which is also the same solution provided by WolframAlpha and Google.

By convention, the order of precedence in a mathematical expression is as follows:

Terms inside of Brackets or Parentheses.
Exponents and Roots.
Multiplication and Division.
Addition and Subtraction.

If there are two or more operations with equal precedence (such as 10÷2÷5 or 7÷2*9), those operations should be done from left to right.

Therefore, the problem “48÷2(9+3) =” would be solved like this:
48 ÷ 2 * (9+3)=
48 ÷ 2 * (12)=
48 ÷ 2 * 12=
24 * 12=
288
PEMDAS

Solving for the answer 2 is sometimes a result of doing multiplication before division. Much of the confusion can be blamed on PEMDAS (sometimes known as, “Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally”) and other similar mnemonics used to teach order of operations in schools.

As an example, PEMDAS stands for:

Parentheses
Exponentiation
Multiplication
Division
Addition
Subtraction

Whereas BEDMAS stands for:

Brackets
Exponentiation
Division
Multiplication
Addition
Subtraction

The former can lead to the implication that addition always comes before subtraction, and that multiplication always comes before division. The latter can lead to the implication that addition always comes before subtraction, and that division always comes before multiplication.

If one uses multiplication before division (PEMDAS being especially popular in the United States), the problem would be solved like this:
48 ÷ 2 * (9+3)=
48 ÷ 2 * (12)=
48 ÷ 2 * 12=
48 ÷ 24=
2

However, solving the problem like this would be considered erroneous because multiplication and division hold equal precedence.

Some sources maintain that multiplication does not always comes before division:

- University of North Texas
- Northern Michigan University
- Deb Russell
- University of Minnesota Rochester
- Midland College
- Hofstra University


It is helpful to remember that division and multiplication are inverse operations, and thus represent the same operation written in a different way. Division is the same as multiplication of the reciprocal, and multiplication is the same as division of the reciprocal. This is similar to how addition is the same as subtraction of the negative, and how raising to the nth power is the same as taking the 1/nth root.
Implied Multiplication

However, the answer 2 could be justified by the principle of implied multiplication. For example, consider the problem "2/5x."

If one strictly follows the standard order of operations, the correct interpretation would be “(2/5)*(x).”

But many calculators and textbooks state that a higher value of precedence should be placed on implied multiplication than on explicit multiplication:

Because “5x” is implied to be "5*x," it gets higher priority than "2/5." In this case, "2/5x" would be interpreted as "(2)/(5*x)."

Returning to the original problem, if one utilizes the principles of implied multiplication, then “2(9+3)” gets higher precedence than the explicit “48/2,” and would be solved like this:
48 ÷ 2(9+3)=
48 ÷ 2(12)=
48 ÷ 24=
2

However, there is a lack of consensus on the value of implied multiplication.

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby Morpheus » April 12th, 2011, 8:00 pm

I say 228

48/2(9+3) First work out the brackets so you get 48/2(12)
.......Hmmm I now see how you can get both answers.....

Question is, do you divide the 48 by 2 and get 24x12=288
Or do youget 48/2*12>> 24/12=2

Hmmm good one AP.But I'll stick with 288???
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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby zcarz » April 12th, 2011, 8:01 pm

answer is 288.. the 12 still in the numerator

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby neoise » April 12th, 2011, 8:04 pm

BODMAS I say 2

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby eg8 » April 12th, 2011, 8:07 pm

i still say 2 ..

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby rossi » April 12th, 2011, 8:09 pm

Well I used the ole BODMAS and this is how I was taught it
B Brackets first
O Orders (ie Powers and Square Roots, etc.)
DM Division and Multiplication (left-to-right)
AS Addition and Subtraction (left-to-right)

48/2(9+3)
9+3 = 12

48/2 x 12

48/2 = 24

24x12= 288

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby zcarz » April 12th, 2011, 8:10 pm

the only thing on the denominator is the 2 since the denominator isn't bracketed properly.. the (9+3) is by default in the numerator otherwise.. the only way for the answer to be 2 is:
48÷[2(9+3)]

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby Sky » April 12th, 2011, 8:12 pm

Good find AbstractPoetic.

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby K74T » April 12th, 2011, 8:14 pm

IBFayad :|

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby zcarz » April 12th, 2011, 8:15 pm

K74t wrote:IBFayad :|

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby Mudboy » April 12th, 2011, 8:16 pm

K74t wrote:IBFayad :|


oh snap..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby Stephon. » April 12th, 2011, 8:23 pm

48÷2(9+3) = ?
48 / 2 (12) = ?
48 * 6 = 288.

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby sharkman121 » April 12th, 2011, 8:26 pm

The answer is always marshmallows.... always

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby FullStop » April 12th, 2011, 8:34 pm

my initial impression is that the answer is 288, but on closer examination, I am leaning toward the answer being 2. 2(9+3) is a single term.

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby AbstractPoetic » April 12th, 2011, 8:36 pm

The distributive property of multiplication CLEARLY states that the 2(9+3) is an entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. The divison symbol implies that there are two sides for the equation. You're dividing 48 by the product on the other side, which is 24.

So:

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby AbstractPoetic » April 12th, 2011, 8:37 pm

Stephon. wrote:48÷2(9+3) = ?
48 / 2 (12) = ?
48 * 6 = 288.


So then 48÷2(9+3) = (48/2)(9+3) ??

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby rollingstock » April 12th, 2011, 8:42 pm

Lets all just get along and meet in the middle, my answer 144.

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby Stephon. » April 12th, 2011, 8:44 pm

You need to work out whats INSIDE of the brackets first, if you divide the first terms first you instantly get it WRONG!

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby Crucial » April 12th, 2011, 8:48 pm

As K74t rightfully noted, mathematical problems like these (which appear simple to solve) are commonly used to troll message boards, as not everyone is going to get the same answer.

This one in particular is a popular meme (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/48293), but several others are posted up to troll on boards like 4chan, etc.
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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby K74T » April 12th, 2011, 8:48 pm



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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby cinco » April 12th, 2011, 8:52 pm

pineapple
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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » April 12th, 2011, 8:52 pm

K74t wrote:IBFayad :|
ROFL :lol:

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?

Postby Stephon. » April 12th, 2011, 8:54 pm

Great now the people that's bad at math has something to back up their WRONG answer AKA 2 via the KYM link :|

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