Core i7 VS Phenom II for Professional Work? Wat u guys think

[RadeonHD]

ok well recently this entire thread has gone a different direction with the comparison of intel vs amd and from the looks of it AMD has won the war in professional applications and also some gaming.

Both AMD and Intel has been neck to neck however in professional benchmarks like 3DS Studio Max and Cinema 4D, the Phenom II X6 has won over the Core i7
Also the Phenom II X6 has won the battle in power consumption proving it pulls significantly less electricity than the intel core i7 while delivering superior performance than the core i7.

Everyone except the guy who claimed to be an Intel Fan Boy has provided useful information and this is an excellent thread for those who would like a quick break down of performance between intel and AMD in this present generation of CPU







Hi I was thinking of getting a Phenom II X6 to replace my faithful Athlon X2 5000+

My board is a AM2+

I am wondering if there will be any bottleneck with this?

I mean it can't be any drastic improvement compared to AM3 right?

Its not so much gaming but for professional work as I am going to use it for rendering my work in Cinema 4D and from the bechmark I am seeing here the 6 core AMD phenom II owns the Intel core i7

And its only $199 US hmmm

http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/revi ... 90T_9.html

^^ Pretty impressive I must admit.

Either that or hold out till AMD launches a 8 core as cinema 4D uses up to 16 cores

[HCCA]

You could use it on an AM2+ board for now but try to get a AM3 board later on with DDR3 support.

[xaira]

only some am2+ boards can use the hexacore, but for rendering work you cant go wrong with the x6, i was planning on getting the 1035t but they delayed it until Q3, LET ME KNOW WHAT BOARD YOU USE SO I CAN TELL YOU IF IT SUPPORTS X6

amd only has dual die (MCM) octocore server parts, so i doubt theyll b releasing desktop octocores any time soon as all the updated roadmaps only show the next step being bulldozer.....

[Darchrnep]

dont mean to be a party pooper but...
it supposed to beat a quad core intel....
But i dont think it beats an i7 at same speed even with an extra 2 cores.
But if one things for sure its cheaper than a six core intel by a whole lot...

[xaira]

@darchrnep

were talking about multicore rendering, and even so, the 1055t is a much better platform choice than the 1366/1156

[Chiney]

^^ thats only if ur an AMD fan boy and hate intel's prices
the i7 cuts this

but if u considering price a factor
well.. AMD has that edge
we all kno where alpine is goin with this..he an AMD fan boy


now back to the question

u gonna get the fully potential of that system with a true am3 board dread

an am2+ board is like the cheap way out to own the x6
the am3 platform was built with the intension of using the faster ddr3 speed and timings.

why bottleneck the system with a ddr2 mem?

[xaira]

of corse price is a factor, we aint calder hart,

you can fling ah x6 in a $50 board, waiz the cheapest 1366 board? $175

[RadeonHD]

dont mean to be a party pooper but...
it supposed to beat a quad core intel....
But i dont think it beats an i7 at same speed even with an extra 2 cores.
But if one things for sure its cheaper than a six core intel by a whole lot...

Actually I have news for you the Amd phenom II X6 it does Own the Intel Core i7 quite Easily as you can see from the benchmark. Here is the time it takes to render a 3ds studio max scene in seconds.

So it does beat the core i7 and it is cheaper.

Lower means Better cause less seconds means it has done it in less time


http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/revi ... 3DSMax.gif

[RadeonHD]

And here is the link as proof incase anyone thinks its a lie.

http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/revi ... 0T_10.html

the AMD is better suited for Professional Use right now.

I know its difficult for some people to accept but the reviews don't lie. Also I am not into over clocking I use things at stock always. So from these reviews for professional use such as 3ds studio max and cinema 4d and most professional use the AMD does own Intel ass.

[RadeonHD]

@darchrnep

were talking about multicore rendering, and even so, the 1055t is a much better platform choice than the 1366/1156

FINALLY A MAN WITH A BRAIN

Thanks for pointing out this xaira

Sadly if anyone bothered to click the link to the review that I had posted they would have realized this all along. I know some people assume because of the Intel brand name that its better but the reviews here don't lie.

Its like saying Nike is superior to New Balance cause its a bigger name and costs more when clearly this is not true. Its like saying MAC is superior to a high end ASUS Laptop cause the MAC costs more when clearly that is BS.


Xaira I am using a ECS 780 GM-A mainboard it has the radeon HD 3200 onboard built in.

But I am waiting for the other revision of the 6 core where they will step down the power to 95 watts TDP unless offcourse I can still use the chip?

or just throw out the whole board and get a new high end one and done?

[Darchrnep]

this can go on forever.............

[jackson5]

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[RadeonHD]

this can go on forever.............

^^ Its simple

One company will bring out a product and own the other company. Then a year from now the other company will do the same so on it goes on forever.

I have told Chiney in the past I do not support AMD's notebook platform. As intel is clearly superior and light years ahead of AMD when it comes to laptops.

Chiney has made good points noway disputing that.

But you could never deny facts and reviews etc. The Enthusiast market only dominates less than 10% of the entire PC market. Hence why AMD has not seen it profitable to make a $7000 Phenom FX to compete with the $7000 Intel core i7 extreme cause thats not where the real money is. 99% of the people on this planet has a life and would never spend that much money on a CPU for personal use.

FYI we at First Choice technologies use a $40,000 intel core i7 extreme Rig to do any-type of heavy rendering.

But for smaller projects I just use a normal PC instead of having to go down to the main branch to do something. I find it more convenient. And seeing the core i7 extreme is little benefit over a regular one and then the Phenom II X6 owning the regular core i7, its clear there will be no need for me to use that i7 extreme again since both system will take hours to render something but the difference will be in seconds and when we speaking of hours then a few seconds does not matter.

The original question was how much of a difference would there be between AM2+ and AM3
HCCA told me some time ago that RAM speeds will only affect things like win rar etc.

[xaira]

good news, all the versions of ur board are x6 1055t compatible,

http://tinyurl.com/2eg4xkx

amd has the ability to release a 95 watt 1055t, but they just playin intel because the 1055t is the cheapest hexa on the planet

PS once you get over 800mhz ram, the performance difference becomes irrelivent except in synthetic benchmarks

http://tinyurl.com/23r3f42

[RadeonHD]

^ hmm I see

So seeing my board only supports 95 watts CPU

you saying the X6 will still work?

But possibly with less performance than a 125 watt right?

Its possible I may have to update my Bios but that should not be a problem once current don't cut off in the middle of it

[xaira]

i dont understand, in the board comparison

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Produc ... 66,892,944

it says that only the ultra version can take over 95watts, but in the cpu support lists it says

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Produc ... 20&LanID=9

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Produc ... 20&LanID=9

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Produc ... 20&LanID=9

that all versions can take the 125watt version of the 1055, its confusing, i wudnt rush in

[RadeonHD]

^ yeah true

When I bought this board I bought from super tech the board look reaaaal nice. Its a Black Edition so I assumed it was great.

But honestly to be on the safe side I will wait for the phenom II X6 1035T

I did a little research and I found out the 1035t is 95 watts TDP

But apparently its in very limited quantity as I am not seeing it on Amazon. I also heard it may even be cheaper than the $199 1055

[RadeonHD]

Yeah I gonna hold on till a low watt version of the x6 releases.

One thing about me is I got patience.

Hell I waited for the X2 5000 to drop to 65 watts TDP before I bought a new PC lol

[xaira]

thay suppose to release the 1035t and a 95watt version of the 1055t in Q3 this year, the 1035t is only going to oem(dell,hp,acer,etc) at the moment

[Chiney]

i have compared the i7 920 to the x6 as well

in the end
the x6 kept up with the 920

no where it " BLOWS " it..
alpine has a problem admitting things..we know this

buts numbers speak for themselves

then i also saw in MANY reviews
where the i7 920 had a HUGE jump away from the x6s with the encoding/rendering/ transcoding/ winrar tests.......

i7 also maximizes on triple channel memory. u are right wen u say this can go on forever, really its bcuz mr. alpine is amd fan boy.
amd is favourable to many ppl who are always on budgets. ah next stupid thing is.. yall comparing a 6 core processor to a 4 core.. LOL

thats like racing 2 cars.. one turbo charged, the next one naturally aspired. LOL

.. i am not an amd nor intel fan boy
i have both brands
amd
and intel
both high end as well...

both work JUST AS GOOD for me..... so now that we all kno chiney is NOT BRAND favouring..

wat i said up there is based on pure numbers.

[xaira]

numbers like these?





and it does make sense to match a hexacore against a quad if the prices are similar...

wait, is that a $300 cpu for a reverse compatible platform whupping a $600 cpu for a platform thats gonna be dead in january when sandy bridge is released?

[Chiney]

lol
sad how u only posted pics with the amd untop

[Chiney]

http://www.guru3d.com/article/phenom-ii ... t-review/1

heres is a review from a top review site, very well trusted.

as u can see
its mixed and matched results
hoping this can stop the bickering.

as for me
if i didnt own an AMD system yet
surely i wud go for the x6
but my 955 BE is as strong as i need it

we need to stop comparing the a 6 core vs a 4 core
even tho thats makes intel look good
" amd gotta bring 6 cores to meet up to our 4 cores "
but thats where the money is

i say
budget? = AMD FTMFW!

[xaira]

its MULTICORE RENDERING we talking about

list of things we NOT talking about

1.video encoding
2.gaming
3.audio production
4.file compression

[xaira]

from your own review

http://www.guru3d.com/article/phenom-ii ... -review/12

[Chiney]

^ noticed i said..
in that review we gonna see mixed results?

wtf..i swear half the ppl here not really reading each others posts..
only attacking without reading/thinking

i outta this thread we, somehow i knew once i saw this title...it was gonna be an ignorant battle..

good info in the posts in the topic
to bad ppl eh sitting and really reading and understand it

bless..

[RadeonHD]

But I agree with Xaira in the part where we speaking about Multi Core rendering.

And yeah I believe each of intel's core can do 2 threads. So therefore a quad core i7 is supposed to do 8 threads at a time while a X6 phenom is supposed to only do 6

Therefore the reality is that intel is supposed to win all the way with their 8 threaded CPU
compared to AMD 6 threaded one.

There are different stuff that intel will win in but the point I was making at the start is that when it comes to PROFESSIONAL use, AMD wins. But personal use intel has the lead in some bench marks.

Cinebench is Cinema 4D and made by Maxon. Also 3DS MAX another industry standard in making all those fancy games you see. Most of today's hottest games are made using 3ds max and MAYA and this is where AMD excels.

Chiney has a point also but we cannot deny that AMD wins when it comes to professional use. This was the point I had made but some people cannot accept this.
Also if I was a AMD fan boy like chiney said then I would be supporting the AMD line of laptops when I clearly expressed support for the intel a long time now.

Its amazing some people really and truly believe intel is the best. When they forget its a cycle and neither can remain the best. Just like when AMD was the one to break the 1GHZ barrier and how AMD was the first to invent 64 bit consumer CPU and back when intel had miserable crappy Pentium D and AMD was murdering them with the Athlon X2. Then intel came and done AMD with the core 2 series. Now AMD has done them well maybe not done them but they neck to neck in many benchmark and for professional use they beating Intel by a large margin just like the same pics Xaira posted.

[RadeonHD]

Offcourse giving respect where its due to Intel domination in notebook.

Come next year 2011 when AMD releases bulldozer, its checkmate for intel.

Not to worry though intel will come back 2013 and manage to develop something to compete. All the better for us consumers.

[Lich King]

The only thing stupid here is comparing a 1000USD cpu to a 200USD one, yea I could see how that makes perfect sense. I bet the everyday guy would spring that extra 800USD for 2 fps more, makes perfect sense. That's just about as smart as comparing a corolla to a camry even though they target different niche markets. If an amd fanboy could get a camry for the price of a corolla they would take the deal but and intel fanboy would never buy it because their egos need to be fed. Intel fanboys never understand this because they cannot admit they wasted loads of money for surprisingly low gains in performance.

The ego is a serious thing, Intel fanboys will always feel they are better than AMD fanboys because their egos are larger and they spent more money, just like how mac users always feel superior after paying 1600USD for 5 year old computer hardware. Regardless to what some people might think, money is the final decision factor for the majority of consumers, the world revolves around money and the purchasing power of consumers.

Before any moron comes to call me an AMD fanboy I will have you know that all my notebooks and netbooks are intel. The difference between me and a fanboy is I could buy both intel and amd based on performance and price, not based on ego and stupidity.

[RadeonHD]

^ LOL at Mac users who buy 5 years old hardware for $1600 USD

Now that part is another story by itself eh. I could never understand how people does really pay so much for outdated hardware but you see Apple's marketing is very strong just like how some people pay $2000 for a Jordan Sneakers that lasts the same length of time as new balance. hell New Balance lasts longer than them Jordan rubbish not to mention most of it is made in USA.

But back to the CPU. This is what I have been trying to say for the longest while some people don't read benchmark when I had made this thread I put a bench mark proving my point in the purpose of the Phenom II x6 for PROFESSIONAL USE.

Intel does not beat AMD in professional use this is commonsense. They may however beat AMD in typical consumer use. When I say professional I mean like Cinema 4D and 3ds max 2 software that I happen to use. I do not make games with it but I do 3D modeling and motion graphics etc.

The toughest part about that is sometimes your work can be so drastic you can even need a Render Farm. We speaking of hundreds of PC with quad core CPU thats how they make those movies like Avatar etc. Luckily for me my work ain't that advanced so I can settle for normal high end CPU.

I mean lets also be fair on intel's side. If you got a intel system it makes no sense buying a AMD to save a few seconds or minutes or hours depending on your project size. You better off settling for the intel because its still a good CPU.

Chiney say he is not a intel fan boy BUT I know deep down he is
Nothing wrong with that though eh, all of us is a fanboy of something in this world thats just human nature.