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The BIGG Haiti Question / Opinion poll

Postby import » January 21st, 2010, 7:53 am

US Troop Deployment ( Quantity )

Is this in anyone's view a ( disguised ) attempt to take over Hatian soil. :?:

Is this really a humanitarian effort or simply a technical invasion. :?:

What's to be gained by such a move :!:

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Postby SR » January 21st, 2010, 7:55 am

why invade
what are the benefits to the US for an invasion???

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Postby bigchief3679 » January 21st, 2010, 8:00 am

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Postby VexXx Dogg » January 21st, 2010, 9:23 am

Haiti is the poorest country in this hempsphere.

the US has absolutely NOTHING to gain by what you suggest.

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Postby Midnight_Demon » January 21st, 2010, 9:31 am

^ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby 2 d Max Auto » January 21st, 2010, 9:32 am

VexXx Dogg wrote:Haiti is the poorest country in this hempsphere.

the US has absolutely NOTHING to gain by what you suggest.


I tend to agree with you and hope it's a completely humanitarian operation but................history has shown the US has always been very stratigic in it's operations with it's actions being more of an investment for them with something greater to be gained :?

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Postby RBphoto » January 21st, 2010, 9:33 am

Glad if the government colapse and the US take over to provide stability. If Caricom tek over, I am sure plenty of them will be transplanted to Caroni and Debe housing which is supposed to be for ex-caroni workers. Dem worst than beethamites.

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Postby 2 d Max Auto » January 21st, 2010, 9:39 am

^^ :rofl:

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Postby White CZ4A » January 21st, 2010, 9:50 am

pioneer wrote:
2 d Max Auto wrote:
VexXx Dogg wrote:Haiti is the poorest country in this hempsphere.

the US has absolutely NOTHING to gain by what you suggest.


I tend to agree with you and hope it's a completely humanitarian operation but................history has shown the US has always been very stratigic in it's operations with it's actions being more of an investment for them with something greater to be gained :?


Yupp big investment in haiti...look out for bloomingdales and mc donald's


investment can mean many things...didnt someone say in another thread about the proximity of cuba to haiti?

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » January 21st, 2010, 9:53 am

crossdrilled wrote:ex-caroni workers. Dem worst than beethamites.


ok

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Postby Picasso » January 21st, 2010, 9:56 am

investment can mean many things...didnt someone say in another thread about the proximity of cuba to haiti?


Yup.. and it's just "another military post" outside the US which they can send out troops fast.

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Postby VexXx Dogg » January 21st, 2010, 10:52 am

US is no longer interested in Fidel Castro and by extension Cuba. Raul is not as iron-fisted as his brother. Fidel is old and is probably suffering from dementia by now and I can imagine him operating like Grandpa Simpson, albeit with a freshly rolled cuban cigar.

Cuba is no longer a 'threat' to the US as it was in the 60's and 70's when Russia was backing them up by rattling their Missiles ever so often...

US is helping Haiti because of basic concept - 'How it go look if we don't' (IMHO)

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Postby RBphoto » January 21st, 2010, 10:55 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
crossdrilled wrote:ex-caroni workers. Dem worst than beethamites.


ok


Dun know.

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Postby Monk BANzai » January 21st, 2010, 11:01 am

VexXx Dogg wrote:US is no longer interested in Fidel Castro and by extension Cuba. Raul is not as iron-fisted as his brother. Fidel is old and is probably suffering from dementia by now and I can imagine him operating like Grandpa Simpson, albeit with a freshly rolled cuban cigar.

Cuba is no longer a 'threat' to the US as it was in the 60's and 70's when Russia was backing them up by rattling their Missiles ever so often...

US is helping Haiti because of basic concept - 'How it go look if we don't' (IMHO)


then why block the CARICOM Assessment Delegation from landing last Saturday? or why pressure the CARICOM Geologists (who was in the country 4 hours after the quake to set up shop) to leave after the US arrived?

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Postby Monk BANzai » January 21st, 2010, 11:17 am

some of yall need to read this book...

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its available on Amazon. Realyl good insight. Haiti may not apply here..but they sure are a testbed of a new type of "Economic Country take over"....

http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Econo ... 1576753018

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Postby Racegod_2.0 » January 21st, 2010, 11:23 am

bigchief3679 wrote:No oil
No care.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby Yeo » January 21st, 2010, 11:28 am

BANzai Rastafarai wrote:

then why block the CARICOM Assessment Delegation from landing last Saturday?


Because then, and still now, the main focus is on getting supplies, food/medicine and manpower, medical staff/rescuers/security teams into the country, there is only 1 functional airport and groundspace is limited due to all the cargo type aircraft AND when the cargo/supplies are offloaded, it is being kept right there on the grounds as there are no warehouse facilities available.

As soon as 1 aircraft departs, it is replaced by another one with supplies/staff.

Now is not the right time to send a "delegation" as they would only get in the way of the efforts of trying to establish some sort of corridor to all the communities affected to provide them with whatever it is they need now.

The geologists were asked to leave at that time because there safety and security could not be guaranteed at that time... even now it is unsafe for anyone to go wandering about in the affected areas.

All reporters and roaming doctors etc. have been embedded with various security patrols that are being provided by the U.S. and other countries.

OR they are staying at the medical tent facilities that are currently being built and staffed by the US, Israel, China etc.

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Postby VexXx Dogg » January 21st, 2010, 11:29 am

BANzai Rastafarai wrote:
VexXx Dogg wrote:US is no longer interested in Fidel Castro and by extension Cuba. Raul is not as iron-fisted as his brother. Fidel is old and is probably suffering from dementia by now and I can imagine him operating like Grandpa Simpson, albeit with a freshly rolled cuban cigar.

Cuba is no longer a 'threat' to the US as it was in the 60's and 70's when Russia was backing them up by rattling their Missiles ever so often...

US is helping Haiti because of basic concept - 'How it go look if we don't' (IMHO)


then why block the CARICOM Assessment Delegation from landing last Saturday? or why pressure the CARICOM Geologists (who was in the country 4 hours after the quake to set up shop) to leave after the US arrived?


please elaborate on this... I am not aware of waht happened!

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Postby Monk BANzai » January 21st, 2010, 11:36 am

^^ Sunday Express had a big write up on it... was the Feature article.


THE CARIBBEAN Community’s emergency aid mission to Haiti, comprising Heads of Government and leading technical officials, failed to secure permission Friday to land at that devasted country’s aiport, now under the control of the United States.

Consequently, the Caricom ’assessment mission’, that was to determine priority humanitarian needs resulting from the mind-boggling earthquake disaster of Haiti last Tuesday, had to travel back from Jamaica to their respective home destinations..

On Friday afternoon the US State Department confirmed signing two ’Memoranda of Understanding’ with the Government of Haiti that made ’official that the United Stateas is in charge of all inbound and outbound flights and aid off-loading...’

Further, according to the agreements signed, US medical personnel ’now have the authority to operate on Haitian citizens and otherwise render medical assistance without having to wait for licences from Haiti’s government...’

Prior to the US taking control of Haiti’s airport, a batch of some 30 Cuban doctors had left Havana, following Wednesday’s earthquake, to join more than 300 of their colleagues who have been working there for more than a year.

Last evening the frustration suffered by the Caricom mission to get landing permission was expected to be raised in a scheduled meeting at Jamaica’s Norman Manley International Airport with US Secretary of State, Hilary Clinton.

Jamaica’s Prime Minister Bruce Golding who was making arrangements for the meeting with Clinton, following her visit earlier in the day to witness the devasation of the capital Port-au-Prince, said he could not comment on details to be discussed.

He, however, told this correspondent: ’I appreciate the chaos and confusion at Haiti’s airport, where there is just one operational runway. But Haiti is a member of Caricom and we simply have to be facilitated and the truth is, there is hardly a functioning government in Haiti...’

Asked whether the difficuties encountered by the Caricom mission may be related to reports that US authorities were not anxious to facilitate landing of aircraft from Cuba and Venezuela, Prime Minister Golding said he could ’only hope that there is no truth to such immature thinking in the face of the horrific scale of Haiti’s tragedy...’

Golding, who has lead portfolio responsibility among Caricom leaders for external economic relations, had a personal first-hand assessment when he flew to Haiti on Thusday.

A contigent of some 150 members of the Jamaica Defence Force (JDF has since established a camp with medical facilities in the vicinity of Haiti’s airport.

Ahead of last evening scheduled meeting with Secretary of State Clinton, Prime Minister Golding had discussed on Friday in Kingstom some of the probems to be overcome at a meeting he held in Kingston on Friday with the Prime Ministers of Barbados and Dominica and including the Community’s Secretary General..

Among urgent matters to be discussed with Secretary Clinton was to be possible use of the Norman Manley Airport as a primary hub, given its short distance from Haiti (45 minutes), for all emergency missions.

The Community’s Secretary General (Edwin Carrington) explained that proper use of the Norman Manley Airport would be consistent with a decision last week for Jamaica to serve as the Sub-regional Operational Focal Point (SOFP) responses to the Haitian humanitarian crisis.



taken from this. http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161583443

If you read it carefully you'll understand that there's a MOU between the US and Haiti.

Why must there be an MOU between countries in a relief/rescue effort? Also, alot of the other relief teams from other countries are not taking too kindly to the US's "assumption of control"...esp the EU member nations that are there...

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Postby Yeo » January 21st, 2010, 12:08 pm

The US always requests a MOU so as to protect itself incase any difficulties arise in the future.. for eg. an individual lawsuit. (It's a product of the lifestyle in the US)

I am sure there will be others not liking the US assuming control.. but until they provide the same amount of support/logistics, too bad. :lol:

BEFORE yuh think I am in total support of the US, I am not! eh!

I too am waiting too see exactly what the US will "want" in exchange for all its' "help".

I am thinking its' looking long term for business to help the Gov't re-build the city.. also possibly for use of it's land for other purposes. Because we ALL know, that Haiti will be in no shape to even attempt to repay any country/nation for its help.

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Postby Monk BANzai » January 21st, 2010, 12:14 pm

Yeo wrote:The US always requests a MOU so as to protect itself incase any difficulties arise in the future.. for eg. an individual lawsuit. (It's a product of the lifestyle in the US)

I am sure there will be others not liking the US assuming control.. but until they provide the same amount of support/logistics, too bad. :lol:

BEFORE yuh think I am in total support of the US, I am not! eh!

I too am waiting too see exactly what the US will "want" in exchange for all its' "help".

I am thinking its' looking long term for business to help the Gov't re-build the city.. also possibly for use of it's land for other purposes. Because we ALL know, that Haiti will be in no shape to even attempt to repay any country/nation for its help.


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Postby hydroep » January 21st, 2010, 12:15 pm

At the press conference held to apprise the population of developments at the meeting held in the Dominican Republic, Paula Gopee-Scoon addressed the issue of that CARICOM "blockade."

She said things were hectic at the airport and the U.S. turned away several delegations including CARICOM, but they were allowed to go in on Monday.

In any case, CARICOM look fuh dat. We should have been the first people in there. Haiti is our neighbour and while Patos and dem were still heeing and hawing the U.S. was being proactive in the situation. If they need an M.O.U. to protect their interests (whatever they may be) all well and fine.

Historically the U.S. economy has benefited from situations like these because their local companies and industries usually support the troops and are given contracts to rebuild infrastructure in the affected country.

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Postby Greypatch » January 21st, 2010, 12:21 pm

Is this really a humanitarian effort or simply a technical invasion.



both.

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Postby 2 d Max Auto » January 21st, 2010, 12:23 pm

Yeo wrote:The US always requests a MOU so as to protect itself incase any difficulties arise in the future.. for eg. an individual lawsuit. (It's a product of the lifestyle in the US).


Like immunity from prosecution of it's soldiers when they commit atrocities against civilians???

and just so you don't think that I'm against the US let it be known that I believe that the US is the best suited country to lead the charge in this effort, no one else if better equipped, trained or resourced.........the question is balance against every thing else and every other interest.

IMHO the US has traditionally been bullies in these situations.

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Postby Maserati » January 21st, 2010, 12:30 pm

What CARICOM going there to assess?
It was common knowledge the kind of destruction that took place..last thing Haiti needed was a plane full of politicians walking about for the cameras.

Good to see the US stepped up to the plate and took charge, if they had to wait for another country they would still be waiting on supplies etc to come through.
Sorry if they are pushy with the foreign teams but then that is the yankee way.

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Postby Greypatch » January 21st, 2010, 12:34 pm

What CARICOM going there to assess?


That was ah big lime.

CARICOM is a Joke.

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Postby Monk BANzai » January 21st, 2010, 12:35 pm

Maserati wrote:What CARICOM going there to assess?
It was common knowledge the kind of destruction that took place..last thing Haiti needed was a plane full of politicians walking about for the cameras.

Good to see the US stepped up to the plate and took charge, if they had to wait for another country they would still be waiting on supplies etc to come through.
Sorry if they are pushy with the foreign teams but then that is the yankee way.


Not really eh Mas.....when Grenada was devasted by the Hurricane in 2005...CARICOM did the very good job in response and recovery of that nation eh. In fact, the Trinidad Defense Force/Army team was key in the reconstructive process and aid distribution.

They know how to do thier thing when the time comes. And the US did exactly what the CARICOM wud have done. I'm not saying its wrong...but when yu pick up a newspaper and read something like that after the fact, you realyl hadda wonder.

There's no disputing teh US technical might. But if you read the press reports...its NOT the US that are finding ppl still alive. (The same areas that the US have condemmed as "clean up areas") its the Dutch and French Parties that are finding survivors. The US seems very ready to clean up and "set up shop" as it were.

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Postby Maserati » January 21st, 2010, 12:39 pm

BANzai Rastafarai wrote:
Maserati wrote:What CARICOM going there to assess?
It was common knowledge the kind of destruction that took place..last thing Haiti needed was a plane full of politicians walking about for the cameras.

Good to see the US stepped up to the plate and took charge, if they had to wait for another country they would still be waiting on supplies etc to come through.
Sorry if they are pushy with the foreign teams but then that is the yankee way.


Not really eh Mas.....when Grenada was devasted by the Hurricane in 2005...CARICOM did the very good job in response and recovery of that nation eh. In fact, the Trinidad Defense Force/Army team was key in the reconstructive process and aid distribution.
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I was actually remembering that the other day..but this is an entire different scale..
The swift response was needed for those who survived.

From BBC I've seen alot of the foreign teams rescue people..but that window for those to be alive in the rubble is fast closing, and the focus will have to be for the survivors.

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Postby Monk BANzai » January 21st, 2010, 12:43 pm

Maserati wrote:
BANzai Rastafarai wrote:
Maserati wrote:What CARICOM going there to assess?
It was common knowledge the kind of destruction that took place..last thing Haiti needed was a plane full of politicians walking about for the cameras.

Good to see the US stepped up to the plate and took charge, if they had to wait for another country they would still be waiting on supplies etc to come through.
Sorry if they are pushy with the foreign teams but then that is the yankee way.


Not really eh Mas.....when Grenada was devasted by the Hurricane in 2005...CARICOM did the very good job in response and recovery of that nation eh. In fact, the Trinidad Defense Force/Army team was key in the reconstructive process and aid distribution.
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I was actually remembering that the other day..but this is an entire different scale..
The swift response was needed for those who survived.

From BBC I've seen alot of the foreign teams rescue people..but that window for those to be alive in the rubble is fast closing, and the focus will have to be for the survivors.


chu...its going on 9-10 days now...

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