Take Note: GATE - September 2017

[widdyphuck]

Basically what UWI saying is that lets drop the standards, take all the year one GATE money from these students..Have them do summer school to get more money and then hit them the RTW...easy money..

[desifemlove]

people studying sheit, and then not plannign their careers. i don't feel for OJTs who get to this. I used to work with many "educated" OJTs, many where dossers and losers.

[matr1x]

Ojt provide me a solid direction. It can work for those who want to actually work.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

personally, gov't should fck away with GATE...a lot of "educated" people out there and no where to put them after...I can show you all some school fees to feel sick so I have no remorse

[Dizzy28]

So can anyone say how Trinidad and Tobago has truly benefited from offering free tertiary education for the past 12 years??

Our economy isn't diversified, we haven't improved on any global business or competitiveness rankings, the State is responsible for almost 35 - 40% of all employment.

[toyolink]

I am firm in my belief that the investment in the younger generation was and will always be an absolute requirement for any nation to move forward.
Our inability to manage our investment in building intellectual capital and deploying these resources in a well planned manner cannot be blamed on young ambitious citizens.
High lighting the short comings of students who abused GATE program as justification to disengage this initiative is derive from, and feeds backward thinking and can only yield further disaster for our nation as a whole.
I firmly believe that in-light of our reduced financial capacity the opportunity is here to fix the GATE program and align same with a proper strategic developmental plan.
We must continue to seed hopefulness in our youth and create real paths for their success.
This in my opinion is a matter for urgent serious attention by the Gov't if their ever was one.

[Dizzy28]

I am firm in my belief that the investment in the younger generation was and will always be an absolute requirement for any nation to move forward.
Our inability to manage our investment in building intellectual capital and deploying these resources in a well planned manner cannot be blamed on young ambitious citizens.
High lighting the short comings of students who abused GATE program as justification to disengage this initiative is derive from, and feeds backward thinking and can only yield further disaster for our nation as a whole.
I firmly believe that in-light of our reduced financial capacity the opportunity is here to fix the GATE program and align same with a proper strategic developmental plan.
We must continue to seed hopefulness in our youth and create real paths for their success.
This in my opinion is a matter for urgent serious attention by the Gov't if their ever was one.

But many nations prosper and move forward with out free tertiary education. Why does the investment have to be in offering it as a free right through citizenship?

[Drea]

I am firm in my belief that the investment in the younger generation was and will always be an absolute requirement for any nation to move forward.
Our inability to manage our investment in building intellectual capital and deploying these resources in a well planned manner cannot be blamed on young ambitious citizens.
High lighting the short comings of students who abused GATE program as justification to disengage this initiative is derive from, and feeds backward thinking and can only yield further disaster for our nation as a whole.
I firmly believe that in-light of our reduced financial capacity the opportunity is here to fix the GATE program and align same with a proper strategic developmental plan.
We must continue to seed hopefulness in our youth and create real paths for their success.
This in my opinion is a matter for urgent serious attention by the Gov't if their ever was one.

Totally agree, there are many young persons doing and in the process of doing great things thanks to GATE, we may not see it now but in time to come it will be revealed. Also my opinion on the bolded section is that you cannot expect great things from persons if they are not given the opportunity, how can a someone prove their worth if they can't even get a foot in the door for an interview/job.

GATE needs to be fixed, I am not discounting that, it cannot go on draining the economy as it has been.

But many nations prosper and move forward with out free tertiary education. Why does the investment have to be in offering it as a free right through citizenship?

True, but as a third world country more than less will suffer the effects of persons not being able to afford tertiary education. In the US yes most ppl take student loand etc and encounter years of debt, in T&T the average citizen can't even walk into the bank and get a loan (with a paying job). It will simply mean poorer families will forego their children's education and the haves will continue to get the jobs asking for a degree.

[widdyphuck]

Ojt provide me a solid direction. It can work for those who want to actually work.

What year you did OJT and how long you took to get placed?

[matr1x]

In 2008. About a month. In a nice gig

[widdyphuck]

In 2008. About a month. In a nice gig

You got through really quick....UWI degree under your belt?..connections?

[matr1x]

University of London. No contacts. They tried to place me well. And I really benefitted.

I did well in the ojt interview. That what I think

[widdyphuck]

University of London. No contacts. They tried to place me well. And I really benefitted.

I did well in the ojt interview. That what I think

University of London..Law degree? Care to disclose where you got place (inbox if you want)..

[matr1x]

Engineering. It was in a point lisas gig. I work with them 2 years after, and rolled on.

Ojt can be a massive stepping stone. Think about it, 1 year experience under your belt. That worth it's weight in gold

[widdyphuck]

Engineering. It was in a point lisas gig. I work with them 2 years after, and rolled on.

Ojt can be a massive stepping stone. Think about it, 1 year experience under your belt. That worth it's weight in gold

You're lucky you did OJT at a time when things were good with the economy...OJT is no longer operational....

[matr1x]

I know! And that sucks. Seriously, for a person fresh out of school, it's the best wakeup you can get

[widdyphuck]

I know! And that sucks. Seriously, for a person fresh out of school, it's the best wakeup you can get

I woke up a long time ago but Man is it hard out there to get employed...especially fresh out of UWI with no experience

[matr1x]

I worked in a bar for 6 months after school

[toyolink]

To many ambitious young people are being left to languish and forced to adopt a survival of the fittest mentality.
Oil and gas resources mean nothing if the monetary benefits aint directed to sustainable development initiatives, and said strategic imperatives cannot be achieved without high quality human capital.
The pain and discouragement felt by those desirous of achieving a better quality of life is in the most part a result of the state not fulfilling its responsibility to its citizens.
The state must 'meaningfully' get to work on becoming a vehicle for empowerment.
The lip service approaches , self enrichment and aloofness all package in some kind of 'god complex' is what has us in the mess we are in.
Right now the gloom and doom rhetoric has lost its gloss and the downward spiral caused by lost in confidence is on.
.......and the pleds fight amongst themselves for the scraps.

[widdyphuck]

To many ambitious young people are being left to languish and forced to adopt a survival of the fittest mentality.
Oil and gas resources mean nothing if the monetary benefits aint directed to sustainable development initiatives, and said strategic imperatives cannot be achieved without high quality human capital.
The pain and discouragement felt by those desirous of achieving a better quality of life is in the most part a result of the state not fulfilling its responsibility to its citizens.
The state must 'meaningfully' get to work on becoming a vehicle for empowerment.
The lip service approaches , self enrichment and aloofness all package in some kind of 'god complex' is what has us in the mess we are in.
Right now the gloom and doom rhetoric has lost its gloss and the downward spiral caused by lost in confidence is on.
.......and the pleds fight amongst themselves for the scraps.

THIS...

[The_Honourable]

The OJT program was a brilliant idea. As with everything, there will be slackers.

I have seen many managers who took advantage of trainees while I also seen trainees wasting time with facebook and watsapp. I've had some members of upper management inclusive of CEO's and Board of Directors in the public service stating that a lot of the OJT's work harder and have a better work ethic than many permanent staff. When something goes wrong, these same permanent staff will use the OJTs as a scapegoat.

In terms of GATE, i hope that the government funds degrees that matters to the country.

[Drea]

The OJT program was a brilliant idea. As with everything, there will be slackers.

I have seen many managers who took advantage of trainees while I also seen trainees wasting time with facebook and watsapp. I've had some members of upper management inclusive of CEO's and Board of Directors in the public service stating that a lot of the OJT's work harder and have a better work ethic than many permanent staff. When something goes wrong, these same permanent staff will use the OJTs as a scapegoat.

In terms of GATE, i hope that the government funds degrees that matters to the country.

Agreed, as with everything there are the pro and cons, and too often people overshadow the pros by dwelling on the cons. My only suggestion with regards to GATE would be setting criteria for studies as to key areas that the country is lacking and requires skilled workers. Look at the situation with not having a forensic pathologist, one foreigner is doing the job of 10 men/women and Med Sci is practically overcrowded with a waiting list.

[Dizzy28]

The OJT program was a brilliant idea. As with everything, there will be slackers.

I have seen many managers who took advantage of trainees while I also seen trainees wasting time with facebook and watsapp. I've had some members of upper management inclusive of CEO's and Board of Directors in the public service stating that a lot of the OJT's work harder and have a better work ethic than many permanent staff. When something goes wrong, these same permanent staff will use the OJTs as a scapegoat.

In terms of GATE, i hope that the government funds degrees that matters to the country.

Agreed, as with everything there are the pro and cons, and too often people overshadow the pros by dwelling on the cons. My only suggestion with regards to GATE would be setting criteria for studies as to key areas that the country is lacking and requires skilled workers. Look at the situation with not having a forensic pathologist, one foreigner is doing the job of 10 men/women and Med Sci is practically overcrowded with a waiting list.

You don't pick specialty at the stage of being in Mt Hope (MBBS).

Offering post graduate scholarships to doctors specific to the field of Forensic Pathology would have more benefit than a wholesale free medical education.

[Drea]

The OJT program was a brilliant idea. As with everything, there will be slackers.

I have seen many managers who took advantage of trainees while I also seen trainees wasting time with facebook and watsapp. I've had some members of upper management inclusive of CEO's and Board of Directors in the public service stating that a lot of the OJT's work harder and have a better work ethic than many permanent staff. When something goes wrong, these same permanent staff will use the OJTs as a scapegoat.

In terms of GATE, i hope that the government funds degrees that matters to the country.

Agreed, as with everything there are the pro and cons, and too often people overshadow the pros by dwelling on the cons. My only suggestion with regards to GATE would be setting criteria for studies as to key areas that the country is lacking and requires skilled workers. Look at the situation with not having a forensic pathologist, one foreigner is doing the job of 10 men/women and Med Sci is practically overcrowded with a waiting list.

You don't pick specialty at the stage of being in Mt Hope (MBBS).

Offering post graduate scholarships to doctors specific to the field of Forensic Pathology would have more benefit than a wholesale free medical education.

I know that but GATE also applies to graduate studies not only undergrad, but I get what you saying. Still even at the undergrad level there needs to be some direction.

[maj. tom]

There's a lack of people in those positions not because there are none available, but because of the terrible working conditions offered to health professionals by the Government in the public sector.

Qualified people just don't apply because they have already been through so much sheit in their previous years in the hospitals while getting that specialization. That's why so many doctors leave this country when they serve their time. Government offers nothing to keep them here. They all start off as wanting to make Trinidad better... but the reality is different.

[Drea]

There's a lack of people in those positions not because there are none available, but because of the terrible working conditions offered to health professionals by the Government in the public sector.

Qualified people just don't apply because they have already been through so much sheit in their previous years in the hospitals while getting that specialization. That's why so many doctors leave this country when they serve their time. Government offers nothing to keep them here. They all start off as wanting to make Trinidad better... but the reality is different.

I often listen to that russian man complain and always threaten to leave and I feel so sorry for him, but he probably knows in reality going back to russia might be even more hardship but still. With the amount of murders and other deaths that take place that is way to much for one person. I had an aunt that worked Min. Nat. Sec when back in the days when the offices were located by forensics and every time them refrigerators break down, work done. Because the place used to stink with them dead bodies. When will T&T get it right.

[widdyphuck]

In all honesty its time for that pathologist to retire...He's old and clearly past his best days..

[Dizzy28]

In all honesty its time for that pathologist to retire...He's old and clearly past his best days..

Then we would never get any autopsies done.......seems the Trini ones - McDonald Burris and Des Vignes always on vacation or sick leave.

[bluefete]

In all honesty its time for that pathologist to retire...He's old and clearly past his best days..

Then we would never get any autopsies done.......seems the Trini ones - McDonald Burris and Des Vignes always on vacation or sick leave.

Plus, he always seems to be more willing to go the extra mile in the job than the locals.

Bring on the Venes, I say. I am sure we could final a Vene Forensic Pathologist, if we cannot train / get any local ones for the future.

[bluefete]

Means Test Documents:

Documents supporting income such as:

Salary

Self employed

Government Pension

Disability Grants

NIS

Child Support

Alimony

Rental Income

Allowance

Public Assistance

Scholarships/Bursaries


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