The LGBTQ/Pride Debate Take 2

[bluefete]

[adnj]

If you can choose your gender can you choose your race?

Hopefully the woke liberals of tuner can explain it better than the woke liberals of UCLA

Some can. Some do. Can't you?




Millions of Americans counted in the 2000 census changed their race or Hispanic-origin categories when they filled out their 2010 census forms, according to new research presented at the annual Population Association of America meeting last week. Hispanics, Americans of mixed race, American Indians and Pacific Islanders were among those most likely to check different boxes from one census to the next.

The researchers, who included university and government population scientists, analyzed census forms for 168 million Americans, and found that more than 10 million of them checked different race or Hispanic-origin boxes in the 2010 census than they had in the 2000 count. Smaller-scale studies have shown that people sometimes change the way they describe their race or Hispanic identity, but the new research is the first to use data from the census of all Americans to look at how these selections may vary on a wide scale.

“Do Americans change their race? Yes, millions do,” said study co-author Carolyn A. Liebler, a University of Minnesota sociologist who worked with Census Bureau researchers. “And this varies by group.”

[adnj]

I'm asking why is it that there is such a VAST discrepancy in how ppl identify depending on age? Why is it that u don't see huge numbers of older people identifying as LGBT ?

Interesting fact:

Since the US Civil Rights movement, the percentage of documented marriages in the United States that were intermarriages climbed from less than 3% to nearly 20%, closely matching the pace of people self-identifying as LGBTQ.

Did people didn't just suddenly start having interracial relationships, too?

Studies on disgust and affective bias against person's identifying as LGBTQ closely mirror the sparse studies published on interracial couples, which closely mirror the earlier studies on "racial mixing."

Multiple survey respondents have stated that societal pressures and fear of reprisal were crucial in their individual acceptance of so-called normal lifestyles and preferences.

[ruffneck_12]

If you can choose your gender can you choose your race?

Hopefully the woke liberals of tuner can explain it better than the woke liberals of UCLA

Some can. Some do. Can't you?




Millions of Americans counted in the 2000 census changed their race or Hispanic-origin categories when they filled out their 2010 census forms, according to new research presented at the annual Population Association of America meeting last week. Hispanics, Americans of mixed race, American Indians and Pacific Islanders were among those most likely to check different boxes from one census to the next.

The researchers, who included university and government population scientists, analyzed census forms for 168 million Americans, and found that more than 10 million of them checked different race or Hispanic-origin boxes in the 2010 census than they had in the 2000 count. Smaller-scale studies have shown that people sometimes change the way they describe their race or Hispanic identity, but the new research is the first to use data from the census of all Americans to look at how these selections may vary on a wide scale.

“Do Americans change their race? Yes, millions do,” said study co-author Carolyn A. Liebler, a University of Minnesota sociologist who worked with Census Bureau researchers. “And this varies by group.”

Well sweet,

Brb moving to the states to identify as blaque to get good placements in top tier universities and jobs the same way men identify as women to just win in women's sports

Cuz that's fair and scientific!

[wing]

If you can choose your gender can you choose your race?

Hopefully the woke liberals of tuner can explain it better than the woke liberals of UCLA

Some can. Some do. Can't you?




Millions of Americans counted in the 2000 census changed their race or Hispanic-origin categories when they filled out their 2010 census forms, according to new research presented at the annual Population Association of America meeting last week. Hispanics, Americans of mixed race, American Indians and Pacific Islanders were among those most likely to check different boxes from one census to the next.

The researchers, who included university and government population scientists, analyzed census forms for 168 million Americans, and found that more than 10 million of them checked different race or Hispanic-origin boxes in the 2010 census than they had in the 2000 count. Smaller-scale studies have shown that people sometimes change the way they describe their race or Hispanic identity, but the new research is the first to use data from the census of all Americans to look at how these selections may vary on a wide scale.

“Do Americans change their race? Yes, millions do,” said study co-author Carolyn A. Liebler, a University of Minnesota sociologist who worked with Census Bureau researchers. “And this varies by group.”

Well sweet,

Brb moving to the states to identify as blaque to get good placements in top tier universities and jobs the same way men identify as women to just win in women's sports

Cuz that's fair and scientific!

What about blackface? If someone identify as black and transitioning using dermatological treatment, shouldn't be an issue.

[adnj]

What about blackface? If someone identify as black and transitioning using dermatological treatment, shouldn't be an issue.

It's already been done.

Black Like Me, 50 Years Later

John Howard Griffin gave readers an unflinching view of the Jim Crow South. How has his book held up?


John Howard Griffin, left in New Orleans in 1959, asked what "adjustments" a white man would have to make if he were black. Don Rutledge

Late in 1959, on a sidewalk in New Orleans, a shoe-shine man suffered a sense of déjà vu. He was certain he’d shined these shoes before, and for a man about as tall and broad-shouldered. But that man had been white. This man was brown-skinned. Rag in hand, the shoeshine man said nothing until the hulking man spoke.

“Is there something familiar about these shoes?”

“Yeah, I been shining some for a white man—”

“A fellow named Griffin?”

“Yeah. Do you know him?”

“I am him.”

John Howard Griffin had embarked on a journey unlike any other. Many black authors had written about the hardship of living in the Jim Crow South. A few white writers had argued for integration. But Griffin, a novelist of extraordinary empathy rooted in his Catholic faith, had devised a daring experiment. To comprehend the lives of black people, he had darkened his skin to become black. As the civil rights movement tested various forms of civil disobedience, Griffin began a human odyssey through the South, from New Orleans to Atlanta.

Fifty years ago this month, Griffin published a slim volume about his travels as a “black man.” He expected it to be “an obscure work of interest primarily to sociologists,” but Black Like Me, which told white Americans what they had long refused to believe, sold ten million copies and became a modern classic.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-cul ... -74543463/

[adnj]

July 11 (Reuters) - Europe's top human rights court ruled in favour of Olympic runner Caster Semenya on Tuesday, saying courts in Switzerland should give her a new chance to fight a requirement that female athletes with high natural testosterone take drugs to lower it.

The South African double Olympic 800m champion, 32, had approached the European Court of Human Rights in February, 2021 after losing appeals to CAS, sport's highest court, and the Swiss Federal Tribunal (SFT) in a long-running legal battle.

The ECHR ruled, by a slender majority of four votes to three, that Semenya's original appeal against World Athletics regulations had not been properly heard.

"The Court found in particular that the applicant had not been afforded sufficient institutional and procedural safeguards in Switzerland to allow her to have her complaints examined effectively," ECHR said in a statement.

"The high stakes of the case for the applicant and the narrow margin of appreciation afforded to the respondent State should have led to a thorough Institutional and procedural review, but the applicant had not been able to obtain such a review."

https://www.reuters.com/sports/athletic ... 023-07-11/

[adnj]

The sex designation of your brain and body may not be as black and white as scientists have believed it to be. Instead gender may fall somewhere on a gray scale. Scientists are trying to unravel the complex biological breakdowns of gender, and as they learn more, it’s becoming more apparent there aren’t just men and women among us. In a comprehensive breakdown published in the journal Nature, geneticists weigh in on the question of gender identity.

“The main problem with a strong dichotomy is that there are intermediate cases that push the limits and ask us to figure out exactly where the dividing line is between males and females,” biology sex expert Arthur Arnold at the University of California, Los Angeles, told Nature. “And that's often a very difficult problem, because sex can be defined a number of ways.”

The scientists discovered the XX and XY cells that differentiate between genders can actually behave in different ways. When scientists took a closer look, they found not all people have cells that contain the same set of genes. Instead, it’s more like a mosaic of different unevenly divided sex cells, which biologists have taken to calling “mosaicism.” Although it’s a rare condition that only affects about 1 in 15,000 people, it still leaves an unidentified population of society outside of the familiar dichotomy.

These discoveries question the widely accepted and generally understood genders. The gonads, which are either the testicles or ovaries, are not the only gender markers. Doctors can no longer definitively look at the penis or vagina of a new baby and congratulate the birthing mother with a cheerful "it’s a boy" or "it’s a girl." Medicine’s ever-expanding understanding of the human body goes against everything we’re taught as children when it comes to our peers' private parts.

The plot thickens for babies born with ambiguous genitalia. These children grow to have intersex conditions known as the differences or disorders of sex development (DSD), and are more common than the mosaics of gender. It can lead to issues later on in their adult life, especially if their parents chose a gender for the baby before its brain is able to catch up with their decision. What if the baby's brain is of a male but his parents choose to remove the male genitalia, leaving him to grow up as a girl? Researchers say one baby out of every 100 born has some form of DSD, and with each new case comes a blurrier line of what we are as reproducing humans.

https://www.medicaldaily.com/challengin ... her-323956

[redmanjp]

I'm asking why is it that there is such a VAST discrepancy in how ppl identify depending on age? Why is it that u don't see huge numbers of older people identifying as LGBT ?

Interesting fact:

Since the US Civil Rights movement, the percentage of documented marriages in the United States that were intermarriages climbed from less than 3% to nearly 20%, closely matching the pace of people self-identifying as LGBTQ.

Did people didn't just suddenly start having interracial relationships, too?

Studies on disgust and affective bias against person's identifying as LGBTQ closely mirror the sparse studies published on interracial couples, which closely mirror the earlier studies on "racial mixing."

Multiple survey respondents have stated that societal pressures and fear of reprisal were crucial in their individual acceptance of so-called normal lifestyles and preferences.

what your point? getting married or wanting to do so to someone of a different race isn't an inborn trait- but most ppl claim being LGBT is being 'born that way' and not a choice. my point is questioning whether ALL of the 20% of GenZs who are identifying as LGBT are really LGBT.

[adnj]

I'm asking why is it that there is such a VAST discrepancy in how ppl identify depending on age? Why is it that u don't see huge numbers of older people identifying as LGBT ?

Interesting fact:

Since the US Civil Rights movement, the percentage of documented marriages in the United States that were intermarriages climbed from less than 3% to nearly 20%, closely matching the pace of people self-identifying as LGBTQ.

Did people didn't just suddenly start having interracial relationships, too?

Studies on disgust and affective bias against person's identifying as LGBTQ closely mirror the sparse studies published on interracial couples, which closely mirror the earlier studies on "racial mixing."

Multiple survey respondents have stated that societal pressures and fear of reprisal were crucial in their individual acceptance of so-called normal lifestyles and preferences.

what your point? getting married or wanting to do so to someone of a different race isn't an inborn trait- but most ppl claim being LGBT is being 'born that way' and not a choice. my point is questioning whether ALL of the 20% of GenZs who are identifying as LGBT are really LGBT.

I stated the point. Let me make it more simple for you:

— Attraction to someone that is not of your race/ethnicity has been shown to be remarkably similar to attraction to someone that is of your same sex.
— There is documented evidence of increases in both the rates of intermarriage and the rates of self-reported LGBTQ tendencies.
— Both the rate increases and population magnitude are also similar.
— Increases in both were noted only in countries when negative laws or opinions of either were diminished.
— Increases were noted across all racial and ethnic groups.

It is likely that interracial attraction and LGBTQ self-identity is relatively consistent worldwide. Instead of questioning who is not LGBTQ, perhaps the more apropos question is, "Who is compelled to behave in a way that is not natural for them?" And, "Why are they behaving that way?"

[alfa]

I'm asking why is it that there is such a VAST discrepancy in how ppl identify depending on age? Why is it that u don't see huge numbers of older people identifying as LGBT ?

Interesting fact:

Since the US Civil Rights movement, the percentage of documented marriages in the United States that were intermarriages climbed from less than 3% to nearly 20%, closely matching the pace of people self-identifying as LGBTQ.

Did people didn't just suddenly start having interracial relationships, too?

Studies on disgust and affective bias against person's identifying as LGBTQ closely mirror the sparse studies published on interracial couples, which closely mirror the earlier studies on "racial mixing."

Multiple survey respondents have stated that societal pressures and fear of reprisal were crucial in their individual acceptance of so-called normal lifestyles and preferences.

what your point? getting married or wanting to do so to someone of a different race isn't an inborn trait- but most ppl claim being LGBT is being 'born that way' and not a choice. my point is questioning whether ALL of the 20% of GenZs who are identifying as LGBT are really LGBT.

I stated the point. Let me make it more simple for you:

— Attraction to someone that is not of your race/ethnicity has been shown to be remarkably similar to attraction to someone that is of your same sex.
— There is documented evidence of increases in both the rates of intermarriage and the rates of self-reported LGBTQ tendencies.
— Both the rate increases and population magnitude are also similar.
— Increases in both were noted only in countries when negative laws or opinions of either were diminished.
— Increases were noted across all racial and ethnic groups.

It is likely that interracial attraction and LGBTQ self-identity is relatively consistent worldwide. Instead of questioning who is not LGBTQ, perhaps the more apropos question is, "Who is compelled to behave in a way that is not natural for them?" And, "Why are they behaving that way?"

Amm no, hell no. I get where your coming from but it's probably the wording.

[ruffneck_12]

The sex designation of your brain and body may not be as black and white as scientists have believed it to be. Instead gender may fall somewhere on a gray scale. Scientists are trying to unravel the complex biological breakdowns of gender, and as they learn more, it’s becoming more apparent there aren’t just men and women among us. In a comprehensive breakdown published in the journal Nature, geneticists weigh in on the question of gender identity.

“The main problem with a strong dichotomy is that there are intermediate cases that push the limits and ask us to figure out exactly where the dividing line is between males and females,” biology sex expert Arthur Arnold at the University of California, Los Angeles, told Nature. “And that's often a very difficult problem, because sex can be defined a number of ways.”

The scientists discovered the XX and XY cells that differentiate between genders can actually behave in different ways. When scientists took a closer look, they found not all people have cells that contain the same set of genes. Instead, it’s more like a mosaic of different unevenly divided sex cells, which biologists have taken to calling “mosaicism.” Although it’s a rare condition that only affects about 1 in 15,000 people, it still leaves an unidentified population of society outside of the familiar dichotomy.

These discoveries question the widely accepted and generally understood genders. The gonads, which are either the testicles or ovaries, are not the only gender markers. Doctors can no longer definitively look at the penis or vagina of a new baby and congratulate the birthing mother with a cheerful "it’s a boy" or "it’s a girl." Medicine’s ever-expanding understanding of the human body goes against everything we’re taught as children when it comes to our peers' private parts.

The plot thickens for babies born with ambiguous genitalia. These children grow to have intersex conditions known as the differences or disorders of sex development (DSD), and are more common than the mosaics of gender. It can lead to issues later on in their adult life, especially if their parents chose a gender for the baby before its brain is able to catch up with their decision. What if the baby's brain is of a male but his parents choose to remove the male genitalia, leaving him to grow up as a girl? Researchers say one baby out of every 100 born has some form of DSD, and with each new case comes a blurrier line of what we are as reproducing humans.

https://www.medicaldaily.com/challengin ... her-323956

huh, wonder if this happens in every single species in the planet as well.

Biology is biology right?. Science is science.

Or is mental illness just common to the species that thinks, and therefore overthinks

Wonder if a lion ever chewed off his own pp because he felt like he was a lioness in a lion's body.

Exceptions don't make the rule bruv.

[adnj]

huh, wonder if this happens in every single species in the planet as well.
Biology is biology right?. Science is science.
Or is mental illness just common to the species that thinks, and therefore overthinks

Wonder if a lion ever chewed off his own pp because he felt like he was a lioness in a lion's body.

Exceptions don't make the rule bruv.

Softneck,

Here is further information that you requested. Apparently, you just didn't know.

When you're done with this, read about the hyena.

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Five lionesses in Botswana have grown a mane and are showing male-like behaviours. One is even roaring and mounting other females.

Male lions are distinguished by their mane, which they use to attract females, and they roar to protect their territory or call upon members of their pride. Females lack a mane and are not as vocal.

But sometimes lionesses grow a mane and even behave a bit like males. However, until now, reports of such maned lionesses have been extremely rare and largely anecdotal. We knew they existed, but little about how they behave.

Now, Geoffrey D. Gilfillan at the University of Sussex in Falmer, UK, and colleagues have reported five lionesses sporting a mane at the Moremi Game Reserve in Botswana’s Okavango delta.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/lioness-manes/

[bluefete]

huh, wonder if this happens in every single species in the planet as well.
Biology is biology right?. Science is science.
Or is mental illness just common to the species that thinks, and therefore overthinks

Wonder if a lion ever chewed off his own pp because he felt like he was a lioness in a lion's body.

Exceptions don't make the rule bruv.

Softneck,

Here is further information that you requested. Apparently, you just didn't know.

When you're done with this, read about the hyena.

-----------

Five lionesses in Botswana have grown a mane and are showing male-like behaviours. One is even roaring and mounting other females.

Male lions are distinguished by their mane, which they use to attract females, and they roar to protect their territory or call upon members of their pride. Females lack a mane and are not as vocal.

But sometimes lionesses grow a mane and even behave a bit like males. However, until now, reports of such maned lionesses have been extremely rare and largely anecdotal. We knew they existed, but little about how they behave.

Now, Geoffrey D. Gilfillan at the University of Sussex in Falmer, UK, and colleagues have reported five lionesses sporting a mane at the Moremi Game Reserve in Botswana’s Okavango delta.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/lioness-manes/

Don't some women grow moustaches and beards? Does that make them men?

And by the way:

Neither blood tests nor physical exams have hinted at what may have brought on the mane. Zuri is considered a “geriatric lion” but she’s in good health, according to Simpson. So, it’s most likely that testosterone hormones that typically stimulate mane growth increased after Avus’ death.

According to a 2016 study published in the African Journal of Ecology, these manes were the result of higher testosterone levels in the lionesses
https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet ... row-a-mane

[adnj]

huh, wonder if this happens in every single species in the planet as well.
Biology is biology right?. Science is science.
Or is mental illness just common to the species that thinks, and therefore overthinks

Wonder if a lion ever chewed off his own pp because he felt like he was a lioness in a lion's body.

Exceptions don't make the rule bruv.

Softneck,

Here is further information that you requested. Apparently, you just didn't know.

When you're done with this, read about the hyena.

-----------

Five lionesses in Botswana have grown a mane and are showing male-like behaviours. One is even roaring and mounting other females.

Male lions are distinguished by their mane, which they use to attract females, and they roar to protect their territory or call upon members of their pride. Females lack a mane and are not as vocal.

But sometimes lionesses grow a mane and even behave a bit like males. However, until now, reports of such maned lionesses have been extremely rare and largely anecdotal. We knew they existed, but little about how they behave.

Now, Geoffrey D. Gilfillan at the University of Sussex in Falmer, UK, and colleagues have reported five lionesses sporting a mane at the Moremi Game Reserve in Botswana’s Okavango delta.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/lioness-manes/

Don't some women grow moustaches and beards? Does that make them men?

Do they roar and mount women like the lionesses in Botswana?

[bluefete]

huh, wonder if this happens in every single species in the planet as well.
Biology is biology right?. Science is science.
Or is mental illness just common to the species that thinks, and therefore overthinks

Wonder if a lion ever chewed off his own pp because he felt like he was a lioness in a lion's body.

Exceptions don't make the rule bruv.

Softneck,

Here is further information that you requested. Apparently, you just didn't know.

When you're done with this, read about the hyena.

-----------

Five lionesses in Botswana have grown a mane and are showing male-like behaviours. One is even roaring and mounting other females.

Male lions are distinguished by their mane, which they use to attract females, and they roar to protect their territory or call upon members of their pride. Females lack a mane and are not as vocal.

But sometimes lionesses grow a mane and even behave a bit like males. However, until now, reports of such maned lionesses have been extremely rare and largely anecdotal. We knew they existed, but little about how they behave.

Now, Geoffrey D. Gilfillan at the University of Sussex in Falmer, UK, and colleagues have reported five lionesses sporting a mane at the Moremi Game Reserve in Botswana’s Okavango delta.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/lioness-manes/

Don't some women grow moustaches and beards? Does that make them men?

Do they roar and mount women like the lionesses in Botswana?

Does that make the female lionesses MALE?

[bluefete]

FINALLY! I have always questioned why Caster had to be punished for having a high natural testosterone count. Imagine, athletes are supposed to be drug free. But the WORLD Athletics Federation said she had to take drugs if she was to compete. Anil Roberts is in favour of this rubbish.

Racist, sexist and colonialist!

July 11 (Reuters) - Europe's top human rights court ruled in favour of Olympic runner Caster Semenya on Tuesday, saying courts in Switzerland should give her a new chance to fight a requirement that female athletes with high natural testosterone take drugs to lower it.

The South African double Olympic 800m champion, 32, had approached the European Court of Human Rights in February, 2021 after losing appeals to CAS, sport's highest court, and the Swiss Federal Tribunal (SFT) in a long-running legal battle.

The ECHR ruled, by a slender majority of four votes to three, that Semenya's original appeal against World Athletics regulations had not been properly heard.

"The Court found in particular that the applicant had not been afforded sufficient institutional and procedural safeguards in Switzerland to allow her to have her complaints examined effectively," ECHR said in a statement.

"The high stakes of the case for the applicant and the narrow margin of appreciation afforded to the respondent State should have led to a thorough Institutional and procedural review, but the applicant had not been able to obtain such a review."

https://www.reuters.com/sports/athletic ... 023-07-11/

[ruffneck_12]

huh, wonder if this happens in every single species in the planet as well.
Biology is biology right?. Science is science.
Or is mental illness just common to the species that thinks, and therefore overthinks

Wonder if a lion ever chewed off his own pp because he felt like he was a lioness in a lion's body.

Exceptions don't make the rule bruv.

Softneck,

Here is further information that you requested. Apparently, you just didn't know.

When you're done with this, read about the hyena.

-----------

Five lionesses in Botswana have grown a mane and are showing male-like behaviours. One is even roaring and mounting other females.

Male lions are distinguished by their mane, which they use to attract females, and they roar to protect their territory or call upon members of their pride. Females lack a mane and are not as vocal.

But sometimes lionesses grow a mane and even behave a bit like males. However, until now, reports of such maned lionesses have been extremely rare and largely anecdotal. We knew they existed, but little about how they behave.

Now, Geoffrey D. Gilfillan at the University of Sussex in Falmer, UK, and colleagues have reported five lionesses sporting a mane at the Moremi Game Reserve in Botswana’s Okavango delta.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/lioness-manes/

And thank you for proving something for me

That your generation loves to make exceptions the rule

Also, is the cause for concern? Or should we allow this to happen knowing that reversal of gender roles will impact reproduction and survival rates?

Thank for respond <3

[bluefete]

Another viewpoint is that some people have no problems giving their 10, 11 and 12 year old girl children to be married to some 80 something year old man. These same people though have a problem with sex education in schools.

Make it make sense.


Justin Trudeau blames ‘American right wing’ for Muslims opposing LGBTQ curriculum: ‘Leave our kids alone!’
By Hannah Grossman, Fox News
July 16, 2023

https://nypost.com/2023/07/16/justin-tr ... ids-alone/

[redmanjp]

^true. but i cant see how he blames 'american right wing' for muslims being against this. does he not know what goes on in Muslim countries when they ketch gay ppl?

[redmanjp]

Detransitioner shares heartbreaking testimony: 'Let me be your final warning'

[Dohplaydat]

Another viewpoint is that some people have no problems giving their 10, 11 and 12 year old girl children to be married to some 80 something year old man. These same people though have a problem with sex education in schools.

Make it make sense.


Justin Trudeau blames ‘American right wing’ for Muslims opposing LGBTQ curriculum: ‘Leave our kids alone!’
By Hannah Grossman, Fox News
July 16, 2023

https://nypost.com/2023/07/16/justin-tr ... ids-alone/

Both could be wrong.

[Ben_spanna]

Dont try sending that here neither.
Keep all of your confused mentally ill conditions right there, and while youre at it, keep your "identity" and "pronoun" madness there in your first world countries as well.
The caribbean doesnt welcome any of the forcing of that onto our normal children.

[Chimera]

what kinda gay person allyuh have more of a problem with

1) the closet homosexual who married to a different sex partner and have kids etc and living a normal life on the outside, but secretly bulling a set of man and perhaps young boys and probably eyeing you or your son when allyuh having limes at each others houses and you don't know he gay until its too late

2)the outright homosexual who lets everyone know they gay and fabulous so you know from the beginning not to mix with him for your own personal beliefs.


side question

if you dying in the hospital and you find out the doctor who can save you is a homosexual OR the blood that you desperately need is coming from a group of homosexuals who organised a blood drive....
would you refuse the help and happily go to your grave knowing that you were firm in your beliefs ?

[redmanjp]

i don't care who the doctor is - of course i DO care whether the blood i receiving may be from a person infected with HIV/stds which we all know males in the LGBT community is high risk for. hopefully there are screening methods that drastically lower the risk. if u are choosing to do things that put u at high risk of stds u shouldnt have the same rights to donate potentially infected blood - besides there is a long list of persons who wont be able to donate blood including if u even have a lil flu- i dont see any of them making a fuss.

[Ben_spanna]

what kinda gay person allyuh have more of a problem with

1) the closet homosexual who married to a different sex partner and have kids etc and living a normal life on the outside, but secretly bulling a set of man and perhaps young boys and probably eyeing you or your son when allyuh having limes at each others houses and you don't know he gay until its too late

2)the outright homosexual who lets everyone know they gay and fabulous so you know from the beginning not to mix with him for your own personal beliefs.


side question

if you dying in the hospital and you find out the doctor who can save you is a homosexual OR the blood that you desperately need is coming from a group of homosexuals who organised a blood drive....
would you refuse the help and happily go to your grave knowing that you were firm in your beliefs ?

Theres a difference between discriminating against gays where you cant stand them, or have a problem with them, and those people who have no problem with them beign themselves as long as they keep to their own ways in the privacy of their own spaces.
The more serious issue is the forcing of these ways and thought into the minds of "children"
Children should be allowed to be children, all children play , act, have fantasies that change daily, because a boy might wear a pair of high heels or wear a hand bag while playing or roll playing at home with others, doesnt mean they are gay or have predispositions to beign gay, kids are kids, this is what developing countries doont and refuse to understand, they take that small incident as an excuse to change the child and claim that they are different, behave , allow young ones to develop naturally, they do not need to be educated about any of those issues , bgbbq, indetities, trans, all of those are unwarranted and unwelcomed in our society and i stand firmly with thet belief and will not allow that sort of syllabus to be introduced into Trinidads culture.

[Chimera]

i don't care who the doctor is - of course i DO care whether the blood i receiving may be from a person infected with HIV/stds which we all know males in the LGBT community is high risk for. hopefully there are screening methods that drastically lower the risk. if u are choosing to do things that put u at high risk of stds u shouldnt have the same rights to donate potentially infected blood - besides there is a long list of persons who wont be able to donate blood including if u even have a lil flu- i dont see any of them making a fuss.

lol locally you aren't even allowed to donate blood if you get a tattoo in the past year, you think they would have aids or hiv infected blood on purpose?

i asking if you would refuse healthly blood if you find out it its a gay person did the donation

[Chimera]

i personally find all the things allyuh saying pissing yuh off about gays

could also apply to all religions and even races

christians, jehovahs, muslims, hindus, indians, blacks, chinese, spanish

if yuh cud hate people for their lifestyle.......

then everyone should be allowed to hate for anything......because if you allowing 1 you hadda allow all

if you a black person decide you don't like gays. dont get vex if other people decide they don't like you or want you around because you black. you not allowed to cry about racism again

or if you a muslim person find that homosexuality is wrong and fire bun the batty man and the holy book that was written say gays should be put to death.....you shouldnt be vex if the population believe you and your family is terrorists, if they more suspicious of you than the person next to you......because everybody entitled to their hate

[alfa]

i don't care who the doctor is - of course i DO care whether the blood i receiving may be from a person infected with HIV/stds which we all know males in the LGBT community is high risk for. hopefully there are screening methods that drastically lower the risk. if u are choosing to do things that put u at high risk of stds u shouldnt have the same rights to donate potentially infected blood - besides there is a long list of persons who wont be able to donate blood including if u even have a lil flu- i dont see any of them making a fuss.

lol locally you aren't even allowed to donate blood if you get a tattoo in the past year, you think they would have aids or hiv infected blood on purpose?

i asking if you would refuse healthly blood if you find out it its a gay person did the donation

I don't think they allow gays to donate blood locally. A friend went once and indicated that was asked in the form including when last you had a homosexual encounter. Kinda makes you wonder if this thing is so dangerous should they even be promoting the lifestyle

[Chimera]

all lifestyles do dangerous thing

i`m a indian

i know the oil and grease and rum i drink not good for my lifestyle....but should people allowed to ostracize and hate me for it?
well they should eh, because if i get sick is allyuh/our tax $$$ does hadda pay for me to get medical help