Guyana-Venezuela border dispute

[Chimera]

oh skunt budday

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Dem guyanese bai go pelt bokkle fi dem and mash up dey plane skunt.
Oh bangalee baboo oh guyana baboo

[The_Honourable]

Venezuela protests Guyana's auction of offshore oil blocks

CARACAS/GEORGETOWN, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Venezuela's government on Tuesday criticized Guyana's offshore oil bidding round and said companies seeking up to eight blocks will not have rights to explore the maritime areas, which would be subject to international claims.

Guyana and Venezuela have been engaged in a long-standing dispute over their borders. The International Court of Justice (ICJ) in April ruled it had jurisdiction over the issue, which could determine which country has rights to territory rich in oil and gas, especially offshore.

Guyana last week received bids from companies including Exxon Mobil (XOM.N) and TotalEnergies (TTEF.PA) to allocate eight new offshore oil blocks, a move to diversify the portfolio of energy firms participating in its nascent industry, currently dominated by an Exxon-led consortium.

"Venezuela strongly rejects the illegal licensing round being carried out in Guyana as it intends to use maritime areas that are subject of delimitation between both countries," Venezuela said in a statement posted on social media.

Venezuela argues that Guyana does not have sovereign rights over the areas, so any oil activity there must be done in agreement with Venezuela.

"These actions will not generate any type of rights to third parties participating in the process," Venezuela added, referring to the auction.

Guyana's President Irfaan Ali replied in a statement that his country reserves the right "to pursue economic development activities in any portion of its sovereign territory or any appurtenant maritime territories".

Ali last week said in Washington the territorial dispute should be resolved through the ICJ. "We've allowed this matter to go to the ICJ and we have continuously encouraged Venezuela to participate fully in the process and for both parties to respect the outcome of the process."

U.S. Assistant Secretary for Western Hemisphere Affairs Brian Nichols on Wednesday called on Venezuela to respect the process before the ICJ. Washington "supports Guyana's sovereign right to develop its own natural resources," he said.

The confrontation in 2018 prompted Venezuela's navy to intercept a drilling ship hired by Exxon to explore near the maritime border.

But Exxon, along with partners Hess Corp (HES.N) and China's CNOOC (0883.HK), has discovered more than 11 billion barrels of oil and gas, and continues to explore and produce oil in Guyana.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodi ... 023-09-19/

[The_Honourable]

Venezuela’s referendum on border controversy raises concerns with Guyana – gov’t

Guyana’s government has expressed deep concern over the recent decision by the Venezuelan National Assembly to conduct a referendum regarding Venezuela’s claim to Guyana’s territory of Essequibo. It views this move as having the potential to escalate tensions between the two nations.

According to a statement on Sept. 23, the government said it firmly believes that the appropriate platform for addressing Venezuela’s territorial claim is the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague. The ICJ has already affirmed its jurisdiction twice to resolve the competing claims of Venezuela and Guyana over the territory. A resolution by the ICJ would provide both parties with a final, binding, and equitable settlement in line with international law.

The government expressed its appreciation for the unwavering support it has received from friendly governments and organisations, including the Caribbean Community, the Organisation of American States, and the Commonwealth. These entities have consistently stood in support of Guyana’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, emphasizing the importance of upholding the rule of law and the principles of the United Nations Charter. Guyana has also communicated its concerns to the Government of Venezuela.

Venezuela’s National Assembly had approved a referendum to decide what action to take regarding their claim on the Essequibo region. The unanimous approval of the motion by the House has raised concerns about the potential for increased tension in the region.

Guyana’s President Irfaan Ali in response to Venezuela’s referendum assured Guyanese in a public broadcast that the country is going to “consistently defend what is ours, that is Essequibo”.

“In a strong way, in the framework of international law and peace, and we are together in this as a nation. Make no mistake. Guyana is together on this. We, as a people and as a country, are aware of our boundaries, and we respect our neighbours. We continue to promote living and existing in a zone of peace, and we reject totally Venezuela’s attempt to disrupt the peace within this nation and this zone,” he said.

But this was not well received by Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. He took to X (formerly Twitter) and doubled down on the threats.

See an excerpt of his post below:

“The steps that your government is taking violate international legality and put the peace of the region at risk. If your interest in Peace is genuine and sincere, I propose a meeting promoted by CARICOM to resume the 1966 Geneva Agreement. President Irfaan, do not allow ExxonMobil, through its improper interests, to lead Guyana to the escalation of a conflict. Do not allow the Southern Command to turn your country into a military base against Bolívar’s Venezuela.”

President Ali raised Venezuela’s recent threat escalations to the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA). Venezuela’s Foreign Minister, Yvan Gill also issued a statement on the world stage.

In an X post attached to a clip of his address, he said “We have denounced the US government that intends to appropriate our oil resources using the ExxonMobil company, and entrusting the government of Guyana to grant oil concessions in an undelimited territorial sea, in total violation of international law.”

Recent statements by the OAS and CARICOM have been rejected by Venezuela.

The escalation came as a result of Guyana’s recent offshore bid round.

https://oilnow.gy/featured/venezuelas-r ... yana-govt/

[Dizzy28]

Venezuela should try something on Guyana. They would quickly find out why Americans don't have universal health care !!

[The_Honourable]

Guyana calls Venezuela's upcoming referendum on Essequibo 'annexation'

Guyana says Venezuela’s upcoming national referendum on the disputed Essequibo region “amounts to nothing less than the annexation of Guyana’s territory”.

In a statement on Monday, Guyana said the referendum and seizure of Guyanese land “would constitute the international crime of aggression.”

Venezuela’s National Electoral Council approved five questions to be included in the national referendum scheduled for December 3, 2023.

The questions Venezuelans will vote on are:

1. Do you agree to reject, by all means, in accordance with the law, the line fraudulently imposed by the Paris Arbitral Award of 1899, which seeks to dispossess us of our Guyana Essequibo?

2. Do you support the Geneva Agreement of 1966 as the only valid legal instrument to reach a practical and satisfactory solution for Venezuela and Guyana, in relation to the dispute over the territory of the Guyana Essequibo?

3. Do you agree with Venezuela's historical position of not recognizing the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice to resolve the territorial dispute over the Essequibo Guiana?

4. Do you agree to oppose, by all means, in accordance with the law, Guyana's pretension to unilaterally dispose of a sea pending delimitation, in an illegal manner and in violation of international law?

5. Do you agree with the creation of the state of Guyana Essequibo and the development of an accelerated plan for the integral attention of the current and future population of that territory, which includes, among others, the granting of Venezuelan citizenship and identity cards, in accordance with the Geneva Agreement and International Law, consequently incorporating said state in the map of the Venezuelan territory?

Guyana has taken particular issue with the last question.

The Guyanese Government said it would reject any attempt by Venezuela to undermine its territorial integrity and sovereignty.

“The people of Guyana remain resolute against any threats to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of their country. Neither the Government or the people of one country have the right in international law to seize, annex or take the territory of another country. International law emphatically prohibits this,” Guyana said.

Guyana added that Venezuela’s continued action has the potential “to incite violence and to threaten the peace and security of the State of Guyana and by extension the Caribbean region.”

https://caribbean.loopnews.com/content/ ... annexation

[Dizzy28]

Lewwwe see what all the decolonise bantons do when Venezuela seize 2/3rd of a fellow Caricom country

[DMan7]

Are we looking at a 3rd ongoing war here again or what?

[paid_influencer]

Lewwwe see what all the decolonise bantons do when Venezuela seize 2/3rd of a fellow Caricom country

I have already said that I will welcome our Venezuelan overlords if they seize here too

I want us to be first in line

how do we get on the referendum

[88sins]

Lewwwe see what all the decolonise bantons do when Venezuela seize 2/3rd of a fellow Caricom country

I have already said that I will welcome our Venezuelan overlords if they seize here too

I want us to be first in line

how do we get on the referendum

and what yuh plan to do after they show yuh they have every intention to deposit some high grade high velocity lead in yuh head & torso?

[The_Honourable]

CARICOM: Venezuela's referendum threatens regional security

The Caribbean Community (CARICOM) said Venezuela’s upcoming referendum on the annexation of disputed territory with Guyana is not valid.

CARICOM made the statement as it expressed unwavering support for Guyana in its border dispute with Venezuela.

“CARICOM insists that the Referendum proposed by Venezuela has no validity, bearing, or standing in international law in relation to this controversy; the Referendum is a purely domestic construct, but its summary effect is likely to undermine peace, tranquillity, security, and more, in our region,” the 15 member-integration movement said in a statement on Thursday.

CARICOM expressed concern with the five questions being considered in the referendum.

CARICOM believes that two questions if approved by Venezuelans, would permit the government to embark on the annexation of two-thirds of Guyana’s internationally recognised territory to create a state within Venezuela known as Guyana Essequibo.

“CARICOM reaffirms that international law strictly prohibits the government of one State from unilaterally seizing, annexing or incorporating the territory of another state. An affirmative vote as aforesaid opens the door to the possible violation of this fundamental tenet of international law,” the group said.

CARICOM expressed support for Guyana’s efforts to have the border dispute finally settled via the International Court of Justice and said it hopes Venezuela would participate in the matter.

https://caribbean.loopnews.com/content/ ... l-security

[Arcmanov]

Guyana go hadda fightup yes.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

[DMan7]

Thank god we are an island and don't have land borders. Phew!

[Country_Bookie]

Excessive financial appetite of it's ruling class

Communist propaganda at its funniest!!!
Venezuela supposed to have elections next year as part of the sanctions relief deal with the US so this nationalism rhetoric will continue until then to distract voters from all the other issues they face like no food, medicine, gas or electricity.

[Dizzy28]

Thank god we are an island and don't have land borders. Phew!

Laughs in Navy!!

[The_Honourable]

With patriotic reggaeton and videos, Venezuela’s government fans territorial dispute with Guyana

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Middle school student Jeanmaikol Castrillo can quickly point out Venezuela on a map and identify what’s around it — the Caribbean Sea and the countries of Colombia, Brazil and Guyana.

But the map with which he is familiar differs greatly from those included in plenty of books, textbooks and even a CIA website. It shows a much larger Venezuela, one that includes a big chunk of Guyana.

Venezuelans hold as self-evident truth that their homeland’s eastern end includes Guyana’s Essequibo region next to the Atlantic — a territory larger than Greece and rich in oil and minerals. As students, they learn it is subject to a century-old dispute and then, for the most part, forget about it.

These days, however, Venezuela’s government wants it to be the focus of their attention.

President Nicolás Maduro and his allies are appealing to Venezuelans’ patriotism as they summon voters supposedly to decide the territory’s future in a Dec. 3 referendum, although the legal and practical implications of the vote are questionable. They are using leaflets, reggaeton, videos and other content to promote what Jeanmaikol already knows.

“The Essequibo belongs to Venezuela,” the 11-year-old said firmly outside his school. He then added that the two South American neighbors are fighting over the territory “because it has gold, a lot of wealth, and oil, too.”

Most of Guyana’s foreign investment is in the 61,600-square-mile (159,500-square-kilometer) area, which accounts for two-thirds of its territory. Yet, Venezuela has considered Essequibo as its own since gaining independence from Spain in 1811, and it disputes the border decided by international arbitrators in 1899 when Guyana was still a British colony.

Venezuela’s commitment to pursue the territorial claim has fluctuated over the years. Its interest piqued again in 2015 when ExxonMobil announced it had found oil in commercial quantities off the Essequibo coast.

But the five questions it plans to ask voters about Essequibo prompted Guyana to urge the International Court of Justice on Nov. 14 to halt parts of the referendum, telling judges it poses an “existential” threat.

Maduro and his allies are encouraging voters to answer “yes” to all the questions, one of which proposes creating a Venezuelan state in the Essequibo territory and granting Venezuelan citizenship to the area’s current and future residents.

The government has not explained how it would create the state should voters approve it. The Ministry of Communication and Information did not respond to requests for interviews with Vice President Delcy Rodriguez, who leads the government’s Essequibo-related efforts, and Samuel Moncada, Venezuela’s ambassador to the United Nations.

“The collective decision called for here involves nothing less than the annexation of the territory in dispute in this case,” Paul Reichler, an American lawyer representing Guyana, told the world court. “This is a textbook example of annexation.”

Venezuela considers Essequibo as its own because the region was within its boundaries during the Spanish colony.

The disputed boundary was decided by arbitrators from Britain, Russia and the United States. The U.S. represented Venezuela on the panel in part because the Venezuelan government had broken off diplomatic relations with Britain.

Venezuelan officials contend the Americans and Europeans conspired to cheat their country out of the land and argue that a 1966 agreement to resolve the dispute effectively nullified the original arbitration. Guyana, the only English-speaking country in South America, maintains the initial accord is legal and binding.

Now, Venezuelan voters will also be asked whether they “agree to reject by all means, in accordance with the law,” the 1899 boundary and whether they support the 1966 agreement “as the only valid legal instrument” to reach a solution.

To get people ready, Maduro’s government has embarked on what he calls a “pedagogical electoral campaign,” and he has become a sort of teacher-in-chief, giving hours-long nationally televised history lessons on Essequibo.

School teachers and parents have taken notice.

“The oldest one has to make a drawing highlighting the Essequibo,” Luz Marina Rua said referring to her son’s middle school homework. “Yesterday, I had to make a bib for my preschool daughter that represented bauxite, a mineral she was going to play in a sort of performance and say, ‘I am the rock that appears in the Essequibo.’”

Rua, 38, remembers learning as a child that the territory is under dispute and being taught to mark it with diagonal lines on any map. But, she said, it wasn’t until Hugo Chávez, Maduro’s predecessor, became president in 1999 that she noticed the Venezuelan government start “to pay attention to it.”

After taking office, Chávez promised to seek redress for the 1899 boundary accord “injustice.” He then softened his rhetoric, and Venezuela began supplying oil to Guyana and other countries at preferential rates until a drop in crude prices and mismanagement pushed the nation into a complex economic and political crisis that has not ended.

While ExxonMobil’s 2015 discovery fueled the dispute, it also proved to be convenient for Venezuela’s government.

“It appears to be something that politicians in Venezuela use every now and then to gin up support, to gin up that sentiment, I guess, over what is Venezuela and what it means to be Venezuelan,” said Anthony Cummings, associate professor of geospatial information sciences at the University of Texas at Dallas.

Maduro has agreed with a faction of the opposition to hold a presidential election in 2024, but discontent with his United Socialist Party of Venezuela was underlined in October when over 2.4 million people voted in the opposition’s presidential primary.

The turnout exceeded expectations and prompted the government to label the vote as fraudulent. And now, chants and speeches at rallies to drum up attention for the referendum are also in support of Maduro.

Guyana’s people believe Essequibo is theirs and see no legal issue in the matter, said Cummings, who has written about the dispute and grew up in Guyana, four miles from the border with Venezuela.

After years of fruitless mediation, Guyana asked the International Court of Justice in 2018 to rule the 1899 border decision as valid and binding. Judges accepted the case last April, rejecting Venezuela’s argument that the court could not hear it without the involvement of the United Kingdom, Guyana’s colonial master during the disputed decision.

While judges will likely rule within weeks on Guyana’s request to halt the referendum, they need a few years to issue a border decision, which would be final and legally binding. Still, a referendum question asks whether Venezuelans agree with their country’s “historic position of not recognizing” the world’s court jurisdiction in the territorial dispute.

Caracas-based lawyer Rocío San Miguel said that question shows Maduro’s government intends to abandon the case even though court proceedings will continue regardless of Venezuela’s participation. She expects public employees, contractors and others dependent on the government to be “compulsively led to vote” and effectively give the state the cover it needs to make an irrational decision.

“It is as if there is a piece of land that you say is yours, and you decide, ‘I am not going to court anymore,’” San Miguel said. “Well, I am going to go, and I am going to demonstrate to the judge that you have no rights. Who loses? You or I? He who does not attend loses.”

https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-gu ... 9762def749

[zoom rader]

So all these years, Guyana had nothing, some oil found and now vene wants it back.


But the truth is, it was the US that did the separation and gave lands which did not belong to the US or Britain at that time in the late 1800s.

In reality, the Land does belong to Venezuela.

Waiting to see how this plays out

[Dizzy28]

So all these years, Guyana had nothing, some oil found and now vene wants it back.


But the truth is, it was the US that did the separation and gave lands which did not belong to the US or Britain at that time in the late 1800s.

In reality, the Land does belong to Venezuela.

Waiting to see how this plays out

Another geopolitical issue for you to be wrong on!!!

[maj. tom]

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Robert-Hermann-Schomburgk

[Dizzy28]

Gentle reminder to all that Venezuela is one of the successor countries arising out of the collapse of Gran Colombia and the borders of Gran Colombia never included land up to the Essequibo River.
Further to this Venezuela ratified an 1899 Arbitration accepting the current borders
Their Envoy at the time stated in the aftermath of the arbitration

Venezuela’s Ambassador to Britain – the then President’s brother, Jose Andrade – hailed the Award: “Greatly, indeed, did justice shine forth. … We were given the exclusive dominion over the Orinoco, which was the principle aim we sought to achieve through arbitration”.

Further to that

Reporting to the US Congress (on 5 December 1899) President McKinley reported “The decision appears to be equally satisfactory to both parties’. And for 63 years that was the official Venezuelan position. The boundary as determined by the Tribunal’s Award of 3 October 1899 was jointly surveyed, marked on the ground, and formally mapped and agreed to in the 1905 Boundary Agreement between Venezuela and Great Britain.

In a special moment of regional accord in the 1930s Venezuela, Brazil and British Guiana met and marked on the summit of Mount Roraima the point where that British Guiana – Venezuela line of 1899 meets the boundary with Brazil. They called it the ‘Tri-Junction’ point – and erected a monument that defines it – a pyramid that marks were the sun sets on Guyana’s western border.

Boundaries as per Arbitration

Now we, the undersigned Arbitrators, do hereby make and publish our decision, determination, and award of, upon, and concerning the questions submitted to us by the said Treaty of Arbitration, finally decide, award, and determine that the boundary-line between the Colony of British Guiana and the United States of Venezuela is as follows: —
Starting from the coast at Point Playa, the line of boundary shall run in a straight line to the River Barima at its junction with the River Mururuma, and thence along the mid-stream of the latter river to its source, and from that point to the junction of the River Haiowa with the Amakuru, and thence along the mid-stream of the Amakuru to its source in the Imataka Ridge, and thence in a south-westerly direction along the highest ridge of the spur of the Imataka Mountains to the highest point of the main range of such Imataka Mountains opposite to the source of the Barima, and thence along the summit of the main
ridge in a south-easterly direction of the Imataka Mountains to the source of the Acarabisi, and thence along the mid-stream of the Acarabisi to the Cuyuni, and thence along the northern bank of the River Cuyuni westward to its junction with the Wenamu, and thence following the mid-stream of the
Wenamu to its westernmost source, and thence in a direct line to the summit of Mount Roraima, and from Mount Roraima to the source of the Cotinga, and along the mid-stream of that river to its junction with the Takutu, and thence along the mid-stream of the Takutu to its source, thence in a straight line to the westernmost point of the Akarai Mountains, and thence along the ridge of the Akarai Mountains to the source of the Corentin called the Cutari River:

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https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/f ... -00-EN.pdf

[nick639v2]

Guyana go hadda fightup yes.

I feel so yes. I say let some ppl jump out, get froggy up in dey. Plenty loud mouthing and egos acting up.

Oil vs Aceite vs Aile

[Dizzy28]

Guyana go hadda fightup yes.

I feel so yes. I say let some ppl jump out, get froggy up in dey. Plenty loud mouthing and egos acting up.

Oil vs Aceite vs Aile

It would be a massive failure on Caricom if they allows Guyana to "fightup" alone.

[zoom rader]

So all these years, Guyana had nothing, some oil found and now vene wants it back.


But the truth is, it was the US that did the separation and gave lands which did not belong to the US or Britain at that time in the late 1800s.

In reality, the Land does belong to Venezuela.

Waiting to see how this plays out

Another geopolitical issue for you to be wrong on!!!

I would advise that u read some history u moron

[Dizzy28]

So all these years, Guyana had nothing, some oil found and now vene wants it back.


But the truth is, it was the US that did the separation and gave lands which did not belong to the US or Britain at that time in the late 1800s.

In reality, the Land does belong to Venezuela.

Waiting to see how this plays out

Another geopolitical issue for you to be wrong on!!!

I would advise that u read some history u moron

I would advise you to read

Something

Anything

Every post from your is just a pile of kaka

You're an ignorant kant BTW

[Arcmanov]

Guyana go hadda fightup yes.

I feel so yes. I say let some ppl jump out, get froggy up in dey. Plenty loud mouthing and egos acting up.

Oil vs Aceite vs Aile

It would be a massive failure on Caricom if they allows Guyana to "fightup" alone.

...and what if Venezuela decides to annex this region by force?

We've all seen what happened when Russia did the same with Crimea... will Caricom be willing to muster boots on the ground in Guyana to oppose Venezuela?

That will get very sticky, especially for Trinidad, now that the Dragon deal has materialised. I doubt we will want to be directly involved.

[zoom rader]

From mud water


https://youtu.be/0kktSNOzbMA?si=3hQDFkPeCZzOE-5D

[Dizzy28]

Guyana go hadda fightup yes.

I feel so yes. I say let some ppl jump out, get froggy up in dey. Plenty loud mouthing and egos acting up.

Oil vs Aceite vs Aile

It would be a massive failure on Caricom if they allows Guyana to "fightup" alone.

...and what if Venezuela decides to annex this region by force?

We've all seen what happened when Russia did the same with Crimea... will Caricom be willing to muster boots on the ground in Guyana to oppose Venezuela?

That will get very sticky, especially for Trinidad, now that the Dragon deal has materialised. I doubt we will want to be directly involved.

I don't believe Caricom's charter has provisions for use of military force (someone else can correct me if I'm wrong). TT is also a member of the non aligned nations.
However for as far as possible diplomacy by Caricom members and economic and other pressures should take place. If it means pulling out of Dragon so be it.
Also the CARICOM/Venzeula FTA should be looked at.

[zoom rader]

So all these years, Guyana had nothing, some oil found and now vene wants it back.


But the truth is, it was the US that did the separation and gave lands which did not belong to the US or Britain at that time in the late 1800s.

In reality, the Land does belong to Venezuela.

Waiting to see how this plays out

Another geopolitical issue for you to be wrong on!!!

I would advise that u read some history u moron

I would advise you to read

Something

Anything

Every post from your is just a pile of kaka

You're an ignorant kant BTW

The land belong to Venezuela. It much more than u think.

Britain and US shared up lands which was not theirs, these are things that won't tell you.

But carry Cont

[Dizzy28]

Me a small brain: Reads actual stuff
Tuner Big Brains: But did you see what that Youtuber Mr. FoilHat guy said on his podcast???