caroni sugar production can it be done again

[Redman]

Caroni cost of production was?????

World prices without EU subsidies?

[zoom rader]

Caroni cost of production was?????

World prices without EU subsidies?

It's best you explain

[rspann]

No Raj ain't want to cut cane again bai. They money tall now and want Hilux and ting nah. Who we go get to wuk if dey open back caroni?

[zoom rader]

No Raj ain't want to cut cane again bai. They money tall now and want Hilux and ting nah. Who we go get to wuk if dey open back caroni?

Venedadians

[RedVEVO]

^^
.. it's BEET not Sugar Cane Stalks

Meanwhile in other news a sweaty old frame of a wajang car painter who charges $30K to hand paint BMWs was seen beeting his little sugar stalk near the San Juan Market. Details are very small at this time.

[Redman]

Caroni cost of production was?????

World prices without EU subsidies?

It's best you explain

1)We are high cost producers in a world market that is also made up of governments protecting their domestic labor/industry.
2)We are inefficient...we produce at a level that puts us at 53rd in the world in terms of yield per hectare,60th in terms of volume of total production.
3) We are small producers -Peru gets 2.5 times more cane out of a given area, and produces 10 times our volume.
4) We produced forex while losing similar amounts in TTD. So for every USD Caroni earned..it cost us in losses and subvention 7-8 TTD.

[Ben_spanna]

Caroni cost of production was?????

World prices without EU subsidies?

It's best you explain

1)We are high cost producers in a world market that is also made up of governments protecting their domestic labor/industry.
2)We are inefficient...we produce at a level that puts us at 53rd in the world in terms of yield per hectare,60th in terms of volume of total production.
3) We are small producers -Peru gets 2.5 times more cane out of a given area, and produces 10 times our volume.
4) We produced forex while losing similar amounts in TTD. So for every USD Caroni earned..it cost us in losses and subvention 7-8 TTD.

Eliminate the stupid “union” and the PSC union, and make it quite clear that ALL public servants have no union protection against being fired for inefficiency and watch how all that will change...when our lazy ass labor force understands that their jobs are at stake and that they are expendable if they don’t perform they will change... this terrible work ethic has been aloowed to continue and thrive for far too long .
Get rid of worthless people .... let them stay home and rot if they want to by themselves.

[Redman]

Its simplistic to think that its that simple.
Sugar production peaked in 1970.

Economies of scale, comparative labor cost, climate- brazil has scale to extend its productive months

Corruption, total lack of accountability

like every other state enterprise.

[zoom rader]

Caroni cost of production was?????

World prices without EU subsidies?

It's best you explain

1)We are high cost producers in a world market that is also made up of governments protecting their domestic labor/industry.
2)We are inefficient...we produce at a level that puts us at 53rd in the world in terms of yield per hectare,60th in terms of volume of total production.
3) We are small producers -Peru gets 2.5 times more cane out of a given area, and produces 10 times our volume.
4) We produced forex while losing similar amounts in TTD. So for every USD Caroni earned..it cost us in losses and subvention 7-8 TTD.

So why did PNM block the group of Indians from India that wanted to revamp the sugar industry

[rspann]

Redman is correct up to a certain point. I agree with his conclusions, but instead of closing down everything and ending up with zero income , why can't governments ,all all all , revamp and manage properly and cut out top heavy cronyism and do what they were elected to facking do?

[Redman]

Caroni cost of production was?????

World prices without EU subsidies?

It's best you explain

1)We are high cost producers in a world market that is also made up of governments protecting their domestic labor/industry.
2)We are inefficient...we produce at a level that puts us at 53rd in the world in terms of yield per hectare,60th in terms of volume of total production.
3) We are small producers -Peru gets 2.5 times more cane out of a given area, and produces 10 times our volume.
4) We produced forex while losing similar amounts in TTD. So for every USD Caroni earned..it cost us in losses and subvention 7-8 TTD.

So why did PNM block the group of Indians from India that wanted to revamp the sugar industry

For the same he ignored the fully funded proposal that would have kept all farmers growing cane as part owners of a paper product co.

Same reason kamla slept out.

Gopaul luck is not seepaul luck

[Redman]

Redman is correct up to a certain point. I agree with his conclusions, but instead of closing down everything and ending up with zero income , why can't governments ,all all all , revamp and manage properly and cut out top heavy cronyism and do what they were elected to facking do?

Where is the money in that?

[zoom rader]

Caroni cost of production was?????

World prices without EU subsidies?

It's best you explain

1)We are high cost producers in a world market that is also made up of governments protecting their domestic labor/industry.
2)We are inefficient...we produce at a level that puts us at 53rd in the world in terms of yield per hectare,60th in terms of volume of total production.
3) We are small producers -Peru gets 2.5 times more cane out of a given area, and produces 10 times our volume.
4) We produced forex while losing similar amounts in TTD. So for every USD Caroni earned..it cost us in losses and subvention 7-8 TTD.

So why did PNM block the group of Indians from India that wanted to revamp the sugar industry

For the same he ignored the fully funded proposal that would have kept all farmers growing cane as part owners of a paper product co.

Same reason kamla slept out.

Gopaul luck is not seepaul luck

Oh did PNM just not want Indians investing

[Redman]

Well I guess in your binary world that POV would make sense.

[Dizzy28]

We couldnt keep subsidizing Caroni even if we wanted to keep it. It would have contravened WTO and EU EPA rules.

[zoom rader]

We couldnt keep subsidizing Caroni even if we wanted to keep it. It would have contravened WTO and EU EPA rules.

Well the PNM prime minister gone Ghana to learn how to plant yam.

[Picasso]

Caroni easy to run.. Ponzipyramid-ionscheme ( ludicrous liquid cash )

[matr1x]

The whole subsidy issue was allegedly due to fudging accounts, and caroni was quite profitable.


Pnm couldn't have a population that had economic power other than the 1%, could they?


Every child from caroni to south should be made aware of this. No doglarizing of the population should be tolerated.

[hydroep]

Caroni "owned" some of the most valuable real estate in the country. That had to shut down for certain fellas to get their grubby little hands on it...

[zoom rader]

Caroni "owned" some of the most valuable real estate in the country. That had to shut down for certain fellas to get their grubby little hands on it...

Yep , South park was one

Redman and elite won't talk about dat

[RedVEVO]

^^

Land is ALWAYS competitively valuable .

It depends on the use and your finances .

The vision .

It's only when people develop the land , become successful ..

Then the land valuable ..

[adnj]

Caroni cost of production was?????

World prices without EU subsidies?

It's best you explain

1)We are high cost producers in a world market that is also made up of governments protecting their domestic labor/industry.
2)We are inefficient...we produce at a level that puts us at 53rd in the world in terms of yield per hectare,60th in terms of volume of total production.
3) We are small producers -Peru gets 2.5 times more cane out of a given area, and produces 10 times our volume.
4) We produced forex while losing similar amounts in TTD. So for every USD Caroni earned..it cost us in losses and subvention 7-8 TTD.

So why did PNM block the group of Indians from India that wanted to revamp the sugar industry

For the same he ignored the fully funded proposal that would have kept all farmers growing cane as part owners of a paper product co.

Same reason kamla slept out.

Gopaul luck is not seepaul luck

Oh did PNM just not want Indians investing

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Liberia- 76.9% of GDP

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[Rovin]

buh like is only cane [or hdc houses] cud grow in cane land - ent other crops can grow on it too ?


all who ent wanna do hard land wuk under d sun hot if u tell them same ppl to plant weed on it i bet they will gladly do it now though ....

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

The Guyana government says it will build a sugar refinery at the Enmore Estate, East Coast Demerara that had been closed since 2018.

“We have an investor, who is in the final stage of an investment decision soon, to convert the Enmore sugar estate that is now closed into a sugar refinery,” President Irfaan Ali told the annual dinner of the Private Sector Commission’s (PSC) on Monday night.

Guyana is projecting to increase brown sugar production to 100,000 tonnes annually from this year and President Ali said that this means that Guyana would have to import some sugar for refinement.

“Whatever we can supply, we’ll supply then we’ll have to fill the gap so refining will occur here,” he said, adding that the facility is expected to provide opportunities for “hundreds of upskilled jobs”.

The Barbados-based Caribbean Development Bank (CDB) had in 2019, commissioned a study to determine whether Plantation White sugar could be used a substitute for white sugar.

However, the Guyana Manufacturers and Services Association (GMSA) later protested plans by Belize to seek a 40 per cent Common External Tariff (CET) on extra-regionally produced refined sugar.

[Dizzy28]

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The Guyana government says it will build a sugar refinery at the Enmore Estate, East Coast Demerara that had been closed since 2018.

“We have an investor, who is in the final stage of an investment decision soon, to convert the Enmore sugar estate that is now closed into a sugar refinery,” President Irfaan Ali told the annual dinner of the Private Sector Commission’s (PSC) on Monday night.

Guyana is projecting to increase brown sugar production to 100,000 tonnes annually from this year and President Ali said that this means that Guyana would have to import some sugar for refinement.

“Whatever we can supply, we’ll supply then we’ll have to fill the gap so refining will occur here,” he said, adding that the facility is expected to provide opportunities for “hundreds of upskilled jobs”.

The Barbados-based Caribbean Development Bank (CDB) had in 2019, commissioned a study to determine whether Plantation White sugar could be used a substitute for white sugar.

However, the Guyana Manufacturers and Services Association (GMSA) later protested plans by Belize to seek a 40 per cent Common External Tariff (CET) on extra-regionally produced refined sugar.

Its nice to have 200,000+Kms2 of land to play with when dealing with Agriculture.

This is a good move though as I was on a Manufacturing committee when the whole refined vs white sguar CET issue with Belize came up. I was surprised then to learn Caricom has no sugar refineries.

[MaxPower]

Well done Guyana….

T&T remains behind and visionless as usual.

[j.o.e]

Well done Guyana….

T&T remains behind and visionless as usual.

In all fairness Guyana could hit or miss and it will be fine because they are sheiting money. Doesn’t mean it’s necessarily good business but the huge uninterrupted masses of land they have also helps

[zoom rader]

Well done Guyana….

T&T remains behind and visionless as usual.

No, the PNM remains visionless by telling people to be lazy

[sMASH]

Well done Guyana….

T&T remains behind and visionless as usual.

No, the PNM remains visionless by telling people to be lazy

And what ever they have vision for Will have so much corruption it will fall apart, or drain the treasury

[Habit7]

Well done Guyana….

T&T remains behind and visionless as usual.

So you think Guyana has vision? You think somebody just drop the oil they found or for 60yrs they lacked the vision to explore for it? When T&T was building Pt Lisas and Pt Fortin what was Guyana doing? Guyana doesn’t even have a deep water harbour for large scale shipments, their bauxite has to be shipped here to be compiled for bulk carriers.

T&T is the most industrially visionary country in the region to the point where we can reject new industries. Happy for Guyana that they found an investor for a closed sugar factory.

But the money is not in sugar cane and refining. The money is in adding value to products like snacks, soft drinks, confectioneries and alcohol.


Restarting Caroni is colonial nostalgia, T&T’s vision is in manufacturing through food processing. Let Guyana make the sugar while we will import it make products 3-4x the price, and export it back to Guyana for profits. That is vision.