DC5/K20 dyno results

No Fear at all!!! · Postby **No Fear at all!!!** » March 6th, 2011, 9:00 am

this is such an interesting post...

OK.. i'm going with 210 hp and 165 tq .. matched port.. :evilbat:

High_Speed_Imports · Postby **High_Speed_Imports** » March 7th, 2011, 12:48 am

ok guys ended up at 198/144

Will post sheet soon.

So now its on to the bigger toys

Skunk2 cams
Skunk2 Headers
Hondata K pro

CD4Accord · Postby **CD4Accord** » March 7th, 2011, 1:32 am

Honestly, I don't rate the skunk2 header or cams

Depends on your budget really, but Bisimoto makes the best headers and cams for Honda applications
Judging by the other parts, you are not one to cheap out, so definitely look into this and your car will thank you

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » March 7th, 2011, 9:42 am

^ I have not seen any K20 cams for sale on their site but they have a dyno chart

best cams thus far for the K20 is IPS nothing else matters
Best thus far for the B-series - Skunk

Bisimoto header is nice

the dyno charts they post up are like everyone else

eg.. http://www.bisimoto.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=413

most will know that is the hytech

which was really designed for the built B20 ... which they did not compare too

props to them for the SOHC and CRZ

but they have not done things no one else did or tried in the past

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » March 7th, 2011, 9:46 am

CD4Accord : Please find a post were Bisi cams destroy the skunk2 cams thanks
to justify your claim

the skunk header is junk

High_Speed_Imports · Postby **High_Speed_Imports** » March 9th, 2011, 12:55 pm

CD4Accord DO you own a DC5 or a K20? have you tried Skunk2 parts headers or cams?
What have you tried Bisimoto products on?

no1 manufacturer is the best in Honda do your home work

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » March 9th, 2011, 12:57 pm

^ BTW
did anyone win ?

CD4Accord · Postby **CD4Accord** » March 9th, 2011, 6:02 pm

I actually have a custom built level 1.5 Bisimoto cam in the accord thank you very much..
Skunk2 cam gear interestingly, but that was purely based on economics...

I obviously have not tested every single brand to be able to tell you the difference, but I have about 8 years experience on Honda-Tech, and nearly all the bigshots and big builds end up relying on Bisimoto headers, valvetrain and cams..
I have seen some good results on skunk2 as well, but I prefer the less mass produced option (Bisi)..

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » March 9th, 2011, 6:40 pm

^ what were the power gains with the " custom cam"

and since when etune year does count ...

HT peeps are haters and most you find are skunk2 build or Rocket motorsports for cams

maybe in the SOHC world Bisi is king.. but for now in the B-series world RM , Skunk , kelford for Drag .. Toda , Jun circuit .. nothing else matters

for K-Series - IPS and Skunks.. fire bun all else

BTW - 5yrs experience E-building a Boosted B18 - 600whp and NA B16 - 170whp and counting, K20 and lotta B18C

E-tune FTW

Postby **r3iXmann** » March 9th, 2011, 7:45 pm

Honda Tech experience > All.

:lol:

CD4Accord · Postby **CD4Accord** » March 10th, 2011, 1:18 am

I can't give you an exact gain from the level 1.5 cam because I did a fair amount of mods around the same time... I got a gain of 29whp between the cam, tuning, intake, header, exhaust...
Reason that it is a "custom" cam.. I had to send in an original F20B2 cam to Bisi to design mine.. He never built for this engine before, so he charged me no extra to custom design.. Also did not charge me extra to do the 1.5 instead of say a stage 1 or 2..
2 was not really an option at the time because I couldn't send in springs for spec comparison.. So 1.5 runs on the stock valvetrain

From what most people say, I could expect about ~17-20hp of that to be from the cam at that level..

I'll try re-dynoing within the next few months after I make a few changes.. I will be sure to keep you posted...

I agree with you that each has their relative strengths.. .I being SOHC will always look to bisi before anything else, but I personally just prefer dealing with the smaller companies... Its just personal opinion and not everyone is expected to follow..

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » March 10th, 2011, 7:14 am

^ did you ever do a base run ?
I got a gain of 29whp between the cam, tuning, intake, header, exhaust...

that is what you expect or what you got ?

If you get that from those mods hats off

"From what most people say, I could expect about ~17-20hp of that to be from the cam at that level.. "

imagine what their stage 3 would give 40+ hp

Nice

kezay · Postby **kezay** » March 10th, 2011, 1:35 pm

I calling out CD4Accord

X2 · Postby X2 » March 10th, 2011, 3:55 pm

Just for the record...

I've seen Skunk2 cams break in the head.... of a B series.

ORLY ? ORLY....

Racers Edge · Postby **Racers Edge** » March 10th, 2011, 4:43 pm

kezay wrote:I calling out CD4Accord

buh eh eh ....jus so?

High_Speed_Imports · Postby **High_Speed_Imports** » March 11th, 2011, 11:56 am

X2 wrote:Just for the record...

I've seen Skunk2 cams break in the head.... of a B series.

ORLY ? ORLY....

I have also seen ITR cams snap but i would blame manufacturer how ever lack of knowledge and human error

civic2nv · Postby **civic2nv** » March 11th, 2011, 10:13 pm

my 2cents my build may not apply but this is just for info and proof that product works I recently did a skunk2 intake and TB and gained almost 55whp and 80tq at the same boost level and my TQ grapgh is straight across the board no dips not even after 8500rpm.

haydn28 · Postby **haydn28** » March 11th, 2011, 10:23 pm

hondata k pro tuning ,

hayden 3327056 , good at making small engines produce high output

High_Speed_Imports · Postby **High_Speed_Imports** » March 12th, 2011, 11:57 am

haydn28 wrote:hondata k pro tuning ,

hayden 3327056 , good at making small engines produce high output

tnx for the info how ever not looking to a tuner as i already have 1,
but now your number is out there for anyone interested. BTW which K series have you
tuned to date? out of curiosity and what kinda power if you can disclose

Racers Edge · Postby **Racers Edge** » March 14th, 2011, 5:04 pm

^^
good question...

I wanna go Kpro but... a good tuner is my issue..

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » March 14th, 2011, 5:36 pm

well U can contact certified hondata/tuners and see if they can do a VPN when you by the tuner

kes_vtec · Postby **kes_vtec** » March 14th, 2011, 9:13 pm

as a owner of S2P2, i am very happy with them, plus tuned a few other B motors with S2 sticks and will recommend them to any B owner, i have not worked on K with S2 sticks, so i can't comment.
S2 has a cookbook that you can work and it is very well done by added to that their over the phone support is top.

High_Speed_Imports · Postby **High_Speed_Imports** » March 14th, 2011, 11:58 pm

Racers Edge As for K pro some1 with alot of experience is Kestar aka
kes_vtec

If you are in doubt let it be known he is going to carry out my tuning on my vehicle. I am sure i will be more than happy

Gx7 · Postby **Gx7** » March 21st, 2011, 7:37 pm

High_Speed_Imports wrote:Racers Edge As for K pro some1 with alot of experience is Kestar aka
kes_vtec

If you are in doubt let it be known he is going to carry out my tuning on my vehicle. I am sure i will be more than happy

SKIPPER WEN WE ORGANIZING WE BUSINESS ?

haydn28 · Postby **haydn28** » March 23rd, 2011, 8:37 am

High_Speed_Imports wrote:
haydn28 wrote:hondata k pro tuning ,

hayden 3327056 , good at making small engines produce high output

tnx for the info how ever not looking to a tuner as i already have 1,
but now your number is out there for anyone interested. BTW which K series have you
tuned to date? out of curiosity and what kinda power if you can disclose

just trying to widen the options of tuners sorry if i offended anyone it was not my intention.
i haven't tuned any k series as yet buddy , but i have tuned standalones and piggybacks alike on various Japanese motors
understanding how the k series engines work is the real issue , u have to spend time on the dyno and tune the cam phasing 0-50 deg on the intake cam, IG and Fuel tables for each phase with out pushing the advance too far in aftermarket cams (no physical cam stops like stock) for fear of piston to valve contact
the k pro is not above me, the software is user friendly , any good tuner can adapt to it.

my personal cars are starlets, one has a power fc making over 300whp on pump gas and the next haltech e6x making some more.