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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby Slartibartfast » February 19th, 2020, 8:49 am

If you really want to get serious about future predictions you need to first start with the Simpsons.

Or if you want to be reasonable about this, consider the amount of incorrect predictions. If less than 5% of their predictions come true then they could be considered as 0% accurate with their predictions explained as statistical anomalies.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby Ben_spanna » February 19th, 2020, 10:04 am

Iran having ah 2 Beers now too... :roll:

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby redmanjp » February 20th, 2020, 12:51 am

Huge number of cases in Japan and they supposed to be hosting a major sporting event- the Olympics this year!

2 cases in Iran both deaths! Did they have like 100 cases (based on the death rate) but refuse to do any testing till these 2 ppl died?

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby Slartibartfast » February 20th, 2020, 9:23 am

As serious as the virus seems to be, it is likely that the numbers are still vastly understated. The US has such a distrust for the Chinese media that they Designated China’s Official Media as Operatives of the Communist State

Also, nobody seems to mention that the 2% fatality compares all infections with the number of deaths when it should be comparing the number of infections with outcomes (i.e. closed cases) along with the number of deaths. Right now you have a 20% chance of being hospitalized if you catch the virus and the a 50/50 chance of dying if you are.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
For active cases, serious cases have been stable between 19-21% on this website for the past couple weeks
For closed cases, deaths have been stable between 9-11% for the past couple of weeks
But, if you take deaths and divide it by total cases (i.e. those with outcomes + all new infections + all ongoing infections) you get a 2.8% fatality rate.

Notice the creep up from the previous 1-2%.

What this means is that whenever they finally contain this virus, even if the number of new cases stop, the number of deaths will continue to rise because death is obviously a lagging event.

A few days ago the Chinese actually started taking plasma from survivors so that they can use the antibodies from the plasma as a treatment. Just sharing this cuz I think it's pretty cool.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby hydroep » February 21st, 2020, 5:27 am

Coronavirus: Ukraine protesters attack buses carrying China evacuees

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Image caption Protesters in Novi Sanzhary hurled stones at the buses carrying evacuees

Dozens of protesters in a Ukrainian town have attacked buses carrying evacuees from coronavirus-hit China.

The evacuees were brought to the hospital in Novi Sanzhary, in the central Poltava region, where they will be held in quarantine for 14 days.

President Volodymyr Zelensky urged the protesters to show empathy.

Ukraine's security service (SBU) said a fake email claiming to be from the health ministry falsely said some evacuees had contracted the virus.

SBU officials are now investigating the apparent hoax, a statement said.

Ukraine has no confirmed cases of the new coronavirus, which originated last year in China's Hubei province.

To show solidarity with the evacuees, Ukraine's Health Minister Zoryana Skaletska said she would be joining them in quarantine and would run her ministry by Skype.

"I hope that my presence there will calm those in Novi Sanzhary, as well as the rest of the country," she wrote in a Facebook post (in Ukrainian).

What happened in Novy Sanzhary?

On Thursday, 45 Ukrainians and 27 foreign nationals were flown from Wuhan in China, the epicentre of the deadly outbreak, to Kharkiv in eastern Ukraine.

Six buses then drove them to the hospital in Novi Sanzhary, where they were met by demonstrators lighting bonfires and hurling stones.

Armoured personnel carriers were seen deployed in the small town.

After a tense stand-off, police and the national guard manage to unblock the road to the building where the evacuees would be spending 14 days.

The country's health ministry said none of the passengers were sick.

Ukraine's diplomatic mission added that three Ukrainians and a resident of Kazakhstan had been left behind in China, because they had reported having a fever.

Prime Minister Oleksiy Honcharuk, Health Minister Zoryana Skaletska and Interior Minister Arsen Avakov all travelled to the city to try and calm tensions.

In footage published by local media, Mr Avakov was seen telling the protesters: "We are not talking about infected people, we are talking about healthy people."

One person then replied: "So far."

What did President Zelensky say?

In a statement, President Zelensky urged Ukrainians to show compassion and refrain from protesting.

"Most of the passengers are people under 30. They are almost like children to many of us," he said.

"But there is another danger that I would like to mention. The danger of forgetting that we are all human and we are all Ukrainians. Each of us - including those who ended up in Wuhan during the epidemic."

More than 76,000 cases of the disease named Covid-19 have been reported, and 2,247 related deaths.

The vast majority of the cases and deaths have been in China.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51581805

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby bluefete » February 22nd, 2020, 2:44 pm

Allyuh know dat me doh know nutten.

Is it true that there are 2 cases and they are waiting until Ash Wednesday to tell us (if at all)? Or dat is Tantie Kams and dem trying to stir up mischief?

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby maj. tom » February 22nd, 2020, 3:06 pm

yeah it true. My source is the Daily Mail but they eh print it yet.
Whats your source? Forwards from the enlightened Whatsapp medical gurus?

Let's compare notes.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby Kenjo » February 22nd, 2020, 3:12 pm

bluefete wrote:Allyuh know dat me doh know nutten.

Is it true that there are 2 cases and they are waiting until Ash Wednesday to tell us (if at all)? Or dat is Tantie Kams and dem trying to stir up mischief?

Send a screen shot nah ?

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby rspann » February 22nd, 2020, 3:14 pm

Nah. is true. I hear the same thing in two rum shop in Penal last week.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby redmanjp » February 22nd, 2020, 3:44 pm

And why not, ent dey send out a txt about Covid19 already. I just hope they probably quarantined for the 14 day incubation period and separately so no secondary infection bewteen each other can occur.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby Kenjo » February 22nd, 2020, 4:11 pm

redmanjp wrote:And why not, ent dey send out a txt about Covid19 already. I just hope they probably quarantined for the 14 day incubation period and separately so no secondary infection bewteen each other can occur.

Secondary infection ? Between each other ? What that supposed to mean ?

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Postby redmanjp » February 23rd, 2020, 12:03 am

Kenjo wrote:
redmanjp wrote:And why not, ent dey send out a txt about Covid19 already. I just hope they probably quarantined for the 14 day incubation period and separately so no secondary infection bewteen each other can occur.

Secondary infection ? Between each other ? What that supposed to mean ?


Assuming its 2 people
so u have person A who is not showing infection but has the virus- 12 days past then he starts to have symptoms, but evidence suggest this virus can be transmitted asymptomatically so perhaps by day 10 he infects person B, then u need a second incubation period. So really if there were together that entire period would have been 24 days instead of letting them out after 14 days- it actually happened in 1 case.

to avoid this they should be separated from the beginning.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby redmanjp » February 23rd, 2020, 12:08 am

scary- if it doubles in 1 night- what happens in just a week? or a month? do the math and you might have millions!

and 1 38 yr old man infect 14- and all in serious condition!


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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby Gladiator » February 23rd, 2020, 1:20 am

We would get take just like Italy... People would go to the hospital only when they ready to dead. By that time is dozens they done infect and before you know it a hundred people have it...

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby redmanjp » February 23rd, 2020, 3:10 am

Japan really not doing enough especially when they preparing to host the Olympics in just over 4 months. Like they want to kick start a second worlwide wave of infection by then as fans and athletes return home. Ppl doh understand this virus different- washing hand is not enough:

1) it can spread without symptoms
2) it hides itself-Incubation period is 14 days though in rare cases up to 27!
3) it can spread through pipes and vents, and even linger in the air (aerosol transmission)
4) even if you are tested for it the first test can be negative, you are NOT in the clear yet. People have been tested again and those tests have been positive.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby redmanjp » February 23rd, 2020, 5:13 pm

they left out one thing- shouldn't all the other passengers be quarantined as well? aerosol transmission could have occurred.

and all the members of her household as well

https://newsday.co.tt/2020/02/23/tobago-student-gets-threats-over-coronavirus-fears/

Tobago student gets threats over coronavirus fears
COREY CONNELLY 16 HRS AGO

Secretary for Health, Wellness and Family Development Dr Agatha Carrington has confirmed threatening messages have been posted on social media to the family of a returning Tobago resident over fears she may be carrying the dreaded coronavirus ­­– Covid-19.

And she has asked that people stop posting messages to the family of the resident, who arrived in Tobago from China on Friday afternoon.

Carrington confirmed the resident does not have the coronavirus.

"The Division understands threatening messages have been posted on social media. We kindly ask that persons please cease and desist from doing such," she said.

"The Division wishes to assure the public that there is no need to panic and that there are currently no cases of Covid-19 in Trinidad and Tobago."

Carrington said the resident, who was studying on a scholarship in China, is being quarantined at her home, and is being monitored by a primary care team.

She added all protocols are being followed as a precautionary measure against the threat of novel coronavirus. Carrington stressed there is no known Tobago resident suspected of having the coronavirus.

Carrington said the student arrived at the ANR Robinson International Airport on Friday at around 5.21 pm.

She said the student was examined by a clinical team "who indicated that there are no such symptoms" relating to the coronavirus.

The Division of Heath, in a statement on Friday, said it had received advance notice on the woman's expected arrival and put measures in place to treat with any case of the novel coronavirus, Covid-19.The Division and the Tobago Regional Health Authority (TRHA) also assured all procedures and protocols were in place to respond, in the event the individual became ill.

It said upon arriving at the airport, the student was immediately isolated from all other passengers, interviewed and examined by port health officials. The other passengers were also screened.

"The individual did not have fever or any other symptoms and is currently in good health."

However, the Division said in keeping with the country's policy that returning nationals from China be quarantined and monitored at their home, the student was taken directly home by health officials.

The student will be quarantined for the next 14 days with security posted at her home to ensure she adheres to the policy to not leave home under such circumstances.

The public health authorities are expected to monitor the student on a daily basis to ensure she remains in good health.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby Chimera » February 23rd, 2020, 6:01 pm

Mt hope has has someone in quarantine for coronavirus about 2 weeks now.

I was watching designated survivor on Netflix yesterday . Theres an episode where theres an imminent bioterror threat and they dont want to panic the population before the election.( carnival in our case) but they still want to warn people

So they talk about warning people to wash their hands properly and be careful of the flu.

U eh find it funny how every day they texting to warn about corona virus?

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby rspann » February 23rd, 2020, 6:05 pm

I thought is Caura is the quarantine hospital.

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Postby redmanjp » February 23rd, 2020, 6:05 pm

is both carnival AND an election year. but they would do better to take in front and admit 1 or 2 cases now and isolate them and all contacts than cover it up and when ppl start to get sick by the hundreds then be forced to admit there's an epidemic and it's too late to control.

carnival is almost over but plenty of time b4 elections for this virus to become epidemic which could result in PNM losing votes due to loss of public trust.
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Postby redmanjp » February 23rd, 2020, 6:10 pm

rspann wrote:I thought is Caura is the quarantine hospital.


only for Trinidad it seems- this flight went straight to tobago. i hope the security outside her house is there 24/7. but who knows- dey hadda take a lil jump up and wine fuh carnival

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Postby redmanjp » February 23rd, 2020, 6:51 pm

7600 :shock:

any Californians here for Carnival? and since this is not a mandatory quarantine how many are not going to take it on and spread the virus?

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/02/21/california-tells-7600-people-to-self-quarantine-over-concern-of-coronavirus-spread/

California Tells 7,600 People To Self-Quarantine Over Concern Of Coronavirus Spread
February 21, 2020 at 2:18 pmFiled Under:Coronavirus, COVID-19, Infectious disease, Novel Coronavirus, Public Health, Travis Air Force Base



SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF/AP) — People in California who have recently returned from visiting China are being asked to stay home for the rest of the month to help stop the spread of the new coronavirus.

The California Department of Public Health said Friday that 7,600 people have been urged to self-quarantine: stay home, monitor their health and limit interaction with other people.

The figure does not include those who visited the China’s Hubei province region where the virus is thought to have originated, as those travelers have flown on charter flights and been quarantined on U.S. military bases, including Travis Air Force base in Fairfield.

The self-quarantine directive applies to travelers returning to the U.S. on or after February 2.

The U.S. is funneling travelers from China to 11 airports, including San Francisco International Airport, to ensure they get medical screening and medical care. At least 34 people in the U.S. have tested positive for the virus, including 18 who returned home from a quarantined cruise ship in Japan, the Centers for Disease Control said during a conference call with reporters Friday.

Federal authorities at the San Francisco airport are informing the travelers who return from China that they should isolate themselves at home.

The CDC said it is not tracking how many people from each U.S. state who have returned from China have been asked to isolate themselves.

Federal officials share passenger details with states, who pass that information on to local health agencies. All those returning are advised to follow CDC recommendations to prevent possible transmission, the state agency said.

There are 10 people in California who have tested positive for the virus in lab tests performed by the CDC, the California Department of Public Health said.

California’s Humboldt and Sacramento counties reported their first cases of the virus Friday, both from people who had recently traveled to China.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » February 23rd, 2020, 7:29 pm

This floating around and it is said the person is being treated for the virus
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Postby maj. tom » February 23rd, 2020, 7:31 pm

please remove that. That so illegal, exposing patient's confidential information to the public. Even the address!
It's a pity that the authorities never do anything about these things eh.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby redmanjp » February 23rd, 2020, 7:33 pm

shakes redact the personal info and then post it

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shake d livin wake d dead wrote:This floating around and it is said the person is being treated for the virus
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Postby Kenjo » February 23rd, 2020, 9:35 pm

rspann wrote:I thought is Caura is the quarantine hospital.

Lol ent

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Postby Kenjo » February 23rd, 2020, 9:40 pm

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:This floating around and it is said the person is being treated for the virus

It on WhatsApp with the man address and everything around . 1 day before carnival and it so easy for some random staff to steal a piece of stationary and use up the doctors name and hand writing . If Ian alleyne and dj sheriff not brave enough to have those things up yet then lawyers gonna gladly take action . The Tobago quarantine people make not even really circulating

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Re: Novel Coronavirus - New name "COVID 19"

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » February 23rd, 2020, 9:50 pm

I see devant sharing it all over

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Postby matr1x » February 23rd, 2020, 10:02 pm

They send them mount hope. They sure to dead

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