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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Gladiator » June 6th, 2020, 10:51 pm

This is interesting...

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby sMASH » June 6th, 2020, 11:08 pm

blm movement had to form under obama....

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby MaxPower » June 7th, 2020, 11:37 am

Really wish they would have these sort of protests for Animal cruelty....

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby zoom rader » June 7th, 2020, 11:41 am

MaxPower wrote:Really wish they would have these sort of protests for Animal cruelty....
Well some PNM youths did hang a dog a few weeks ago.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Dohplaydat » June 7th, 2020, 12:32 pm

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zoom rader wrote:
MaxPower wrote:Really wish they would have these sort of protests for Animal cruelty....
Well some PNM youths did hang a dog a few weeks ago.



And the same Stephen Broadrigde who defending Aboud, made numerous Facebook posts fighting for animal cruelty laws, was told by numerous black ppl to keep his 'white ass shut and stop caring about them white people problems'.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby zoom rader » June 7th, 2020, 12:49 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:[soundcloud][/soundcloud]
zoom rader wrote:
MaxPower wrote:Really wish they would have these sort of protests for Animal cruelty....
Well some PNM youths did hang a dog a few weeks ago.



And the same Stephen Broadrigde who defending Aboud, made numerous Facebook posts fighting for animal cruelty laws, was told by numerous black ppl to keep his 'white ass shut and stop caring about them white people problems'.


To be fair I think PNM did increase the fine to $10k for animal cruelty

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Dizzy28 » June 7th, 2020, 12:51 pm

Today provides a watershed moment on how sincere local social justice warriors really are on this whole BLM movement. They have already done up lists of products and businesses to boycott.

But now highly inflammatory racist rhetoric by Maxie Cuffie threatens to collapse all that as mere hypocrisy unless they also lead for action on him and the organisation he represents.

List being circulated for boycott below btw.
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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby The_Honourable » June 7th, 2020, 1:11 pm

BIG WATERY STEUPZ...

Massy not on the list? Well obviously Mouttet would not because KFC is essential :lol:

We not boycotting nothing. We will get the 2-3 that will stop but overall the companies will continue to make profits. Plus some of those businesses are not marketed to the persons who beating up.

I'm all for buying local and supporting businesses in your own community but oh gosh, let's be real nah... is Trinidad.

When "the most powerful" statement was made what T&T do? Express outrage on social media, one placard by rituals, and then what? line up to buy normal.

Mode Alive should call a sale in the next few weeks and dey store will ram out.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Redman » June 7th, 2020, 1:23 pm

Why is all lives matter viewed as being in conflict to black lives matter.?

Is msm covering Mr Dorn as they covered Floyd??

Who is in fact more representative of the ethos of the real fight?

Watery fakin steups indeed

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Dizzy28 » June 7th, 2020, 1:25 pm

Careful Rhoda Bharath dox you and out you on the list too
Redman wrote:Why is all lives matter viewed as the antithesis to black lives matter.

Is msm covering Mr Dorn as they covered Floyd??

Who is in fact more representative of the ethos of the real fight?

Watery fakin steups indeed

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby MaxPower » June 7th, 2020, 2:08 pm

Redman wrote:Why is all lives matter viewed as being in conflict to black lives matter.?

Is msm covering Mr Dorn as they covered Floyd??

Who is in fact more representative of the ethos of the real fight?

Watery fakin steups indeed


Or is it black lives matter a conflict to all lives matter?

Which is it?

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Redress10 » June 7th, 2020, 2:18 pm

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Dizzy28 wrote:Today provides a watershed moment on how sincere local social justice warriors really are on this whole BLM movement. They have already done up lists of products and businesses to boycott.

But now highly inflammatory racist rhetoric by Maxie Cuffie threatens to collapse all that as mere hypocrisy unless they also lead for action on him and the organisation he represents.

List being circulated for boycott below btw.IMG-20200607-WA0004.jpegIMG-20200607-WA0003.jpeg


Massy is the gov't. Nib etc

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby zoom rader » June 7th, 2020, 2:19 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:Today provides a watershed moment on how sincere local social justice warriors really are on this whole BLM movement. They have already done up lists of products and businesses to boycott.

But now highly inflammatory racist rhetoric by Maxie Cuffie threatens to collapse all that as mere hypocrisy unless they also lead for action on him and the organisation he represents.

List being circulated for boycott below btw.
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How will PNM win an election without 1% ?

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Dizzy28 » June 7th, 2020, 2:42 pm

Trying to figure out the non point you wanna make
Redress10 wrote:
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Dizzy28 wrote:Today provides a watershed moment on how sincere local social justice warriors really are on this whole BLM movement. They have already done up lists of products and businesses to boycott.

But now highly inflammatory racist rhetoric by Maxie Cuffie threatens to collapse all that as mere hypocrisy unless they also lead for action on him and the organisation he represents.

List being circulated for boycott below btw.IMG-20200607-WA0004.jpegIMG-20200607-WA0003.jpeg


Massy is the gov't. Nib etc

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Dohplaydat » June 7th, 2020, 4:21 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:Today provides a watershed moment on how sincere local social justice warriors really are on this whole BLM movement. They have already done up lists of products and businesses to boycott.

But now highly inflammatory racist rhetoric by Maxie Cuffie threatens to collapse all that as mere hypocrisy unless they also lead for action on him and the organisation he represents.

List being circulated for boycott below btw.IMG-20200607-WA0004.jpegIMG-20200607-WA0003.jpeg


well now i cant buy anything. But in all seriousness, I want to see how this plays out since this same 1% supports and finances the PNM heavily.

leaving this here - https://nypost.com/2020/06/06/shop-owne ... iVsKC0udCo

Remember I did say I emphasized with looters. That was when they were looting Target and big chains. Big corporations control the US, boycotting or looting them does send a message.

However, looting small businesses. Hell no.

Whatever sympathy the black community had last week is slowly being eroded by 4 things:
1. Lack of solidarity with other marginalized minorities, especially those who say both blacklivesmatter and alllivesmatter. They want a voice too, but it is being stolen away.
2. Looting small businesses and overall lawlessness and thuggery
3. Black Sumpremist - I didn't realize how much local black supremacist there were on my Facebook list till now. Claiming Africans invented civilization, democracy, art, music, mathematics, mining....literally everything under the sun and then the whiteman took it away.
4. Excuse syndrome, especially here in Trinidad. Indians are not white, Indians were marginalized in society for years, Indians were openly discriminated against in government employment and participation, yet we don't have indo-trini underperformance? You want to blame slavery, Syrians, Whites and Kamla for that? Nope, blame yourselves first.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby bluefete » June 7th, 2020, 4:59 pm

When I tried to educate some weeks ago on the US system and its use of medicine to maintain alleged superiority of one group over another, many were upset.

Anyways, take a read. I was going to post it from the Daily Mail but I know how much you love the DM, so I went to a more "credible" source instead. Here is the sanitized version.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-nav ... -facebook/

Naval Academy alumni board member resigns after accidental broadcast of racial slurs on Facebook

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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — A Naval Academy Alumni Association Board of Trustees member resigned from his position Saturday after an accidental Facebook Live video broadcast him and his wife making racist comments and using racial slurs while talking about the Black Lives Matter movement.

Scott Bethmann, 63, and his wife, Nancy, were watching the news and discussing the Black Lives Matter movement, The Jacksonville Times-Union reported. According to the paper and the video, which was shared on social media, they made racist comments and used slurs in a video that was streamed on Facebook Live.

“Somehow I clicked onto some live event,” Scott Bethmann could be heard saying in the now-viral video.

By the end of the 33-minute stream, which mostly shows a black screen, Bethmann realizes he’s live and pointing the camera at his couch. He starts reading the comments aloud and asks, “What are they talking about?” before muttering “Oops,” and cutting the feed.

His Facebook page has been taken down entirely.

Atlantic Beach and Jacksonville residents were quick to take screen recordings of the video Friday night before Bethmann’s page was scrubbed. Those recordings have been posted and shared across social media platforms and were re-posted multiple times in an Atlantic Beach community Facebook group.

“Scott has resigned as a local board member locally and nationally,” said Caleb Cronic, president of the USNA Alumni Association Jacksonville chapter, where Bethmann served as treasurer.


Here is the unsanitized version.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... atter.html

Naval Academy alumni board member resigns in shame after accidentally live streaming on Facebook while racist ranting to his wife about Black Lives Matter

By LEAH SIMPSON FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 13:43 BST, 7 June 2020

A couple in Florida have been caught on camera using the N-word and other racial slurs in reaction to the Black Lives Matter movement.

Scott Bethmann, 63, and his wife, Nancy, were heard discussing news of companies that have denounced systematic racism following protests sparked by the killing of black man George Floyd.

Mr. Bethmann was a Naval Academy Alumni Association Board of Trustees member but resigned on Saturday after he accidentally started streaming the 33-minute conversation on Facebook Live which was initially viewed by hundreds then quickly went viral.

'I've got the emails about how we're supporting and we need to fix this problem, f**k you,' he said in the video from Friday. 'So all the white people have to say something nice to the black b***h that works in the office. But the black b***h don't get fired. It's bulls**t. Management's going to fire the white people.'

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Bethmann continued: 'The white motherf***er can't say anything. That's the point we're making here, Nancy.'

Nancy is heard ranting: 'They're gonna get the blacks and the f***ing Asians from China who love to steal all of our intellectual property.'

Scott asks her at one point: 'Are you against the n****rs?'

Much of the clip features a black screen or shots of the couple's couch after Bethmann accidentally aired his opinion, particularly in response to an initiative taken by Citi Bank.

He only realized that followers could hear what was intended to be a private conversation after he started receiving comments on the social media platform.

'What are they talking about?' Mr. Bethmann can be heard saying, before seemingly realizing his mistake, and reacting: 'Oops.'

It's unclear what the comments stated.

The video was quickly cut off, removed from the website and Mr. Bethmann has now deleted his profile.

However some viewers screen recorded the racist rant and shared it to the Atlantic Beach Facebook group as well as other virtual communities that have repeatedly removed threads about the video.

Social media users discussed whether the couple's opinion may have affected recruitment in the Naval Academy Alumni Association.

Bethmann resigned from the Naval Academy Alumni Association on Saturday.

Caleb Cronic, the USNA Alumni Association Jacksonville chapter president, confirmed Bethmann had also been dis-enrolled from the alumni association.

The association has 65,000 members from 'diverse backgrounds and perspectives,' according to Retired Admiral Samuel J. Locklear III.

'These attributed statements do not represent the mission and values of the Alumni Association, the Naval Academy or the U.S. Navy,' Locklear III. 'As volunteer leaders in our communities, we must be inspirations and examples for all citizens. As Chairman of our Alumni Association, I have accepted the resignation of this alumnus effective today, and asked the Jacksonville, FL, chapter to take appropriate action to appoint a new Chapter Trustee.

'We support the Naval Academy mission. As alumni, we seek to uphold the Naval Academy core leadership values of honor, courage and commitment.

'As an alumni organization, we seek to be an inspiration for all young people who want to become future Navy and Marine Corps officers. We will continue to honor that inspirational role. We are all in this together. We must face the challenges of today and all future challenges of tomorrow...together.'

Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Mike Gilday added to the Florida Times-Union: 'As individuals, as Sailors, and as a Navy, we cannot tolerate racism of any kind. We must actively speak out against it. And when it rears its ugly head, we must take decisive action.'

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Mr. Bethmann was also a member of the Atlantic Beach Country Club but his membership was rescinded in response to the video.

'Be assured we find these comments extremely offensive, inflammatory and antithetical to what this Club stands for and represents,' Atlantic Beach Country Club said in a statement. 'As such, we have voted today to immediately expel this member and his family from the Club.'

The club said its board of directors 'condemn any racist, bigoted and demeaning behavior' and is committed to protecting 'an inclusionary staff and membership where respect and dignity are openly represented.'

The couple said they are embarrassed, sorry and committed to becoming better people.

'There are no words that can appropriately express how mortified and apologetic my wife and I are about the insensitive things we said that were captured on social media,' the family said in a statement. 'There is never a time when it is appropriate to use derogatory terms when speaking about our fellow man. I know that an apology from us rings hollow on many ears in our community, especially in the current environment. We intend on using this experience as an opportunity to grow, listen, learn, and reflect.

'We are deeply sorry for the impact our actions have had on the Naval Academy, my fellow servicemen and women, our former colleagues, friends, family, and the community as a whole. We are committed to educating ourselves more on the racial inequalities in this country and being better people.'

A spokesperson for the couple said this would be the only statement released by the Bethmann family.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby bluefete » June 7th, 2020, 5:00 pm

If we follow through on boycotting all those companies, how many people will be out of jobs?

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Redman » June 7th, 2020, 5:02 pm

Without the final account of the dollar cost to the damage etc...I would say this last fortnight
put racial equality back a 10 years.
Kicked the anti gun lobby in the ballz
And will prove to be to Trumps advantage.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby matr1x » June 7th, 2020, 5:12 pm

Democrats want gun control to weaken the population.


Also a partner went by the protesters by American embassy and he saw the one asking indian girls will take a black man. He ask them if indian girls look like breeding mare for their men to impregnate and leave.

Africian American ppl don't keep homes and they live a ghetto warf rat life. They can keep that. Society doesn't need it.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Dohplaydat » June 7th, 2020, 5:27 pm

Redman wrote:Without the final account of the dollar cost to the damage etc...I would say this last fortnight
put racial equality back a 10 years.
Kicked the anti gun lobby in the ballz
And will prove to be to Trumps advantage.



100% this will bolster republican support and when sway some white Dems to vote Republican.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby zoom rader » June 7th, 2020, 5:38 pm

bluefete wrote:If we follow through on boycotting all those companies, how many people will be out of jobs?
I support boycotting them to save our foreign exchange and taking advantage on Trinis.

It's a stupid argument to always bring up what about jobs. These ppl don't care to now hire trins as they know they will hire and underpaid venes.

1% pay rates is next to bare minimum wage yet still they post record profits while toting away US $$$

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby De Dragon » June 7th, 2020, 6:08 pm

Redman wrote:Why is all lives matter viewed as being in conflict to black lives matter.?

Is msm covering Mr Dorn as they covered Floyd??

Who is in fact more representative of the ethos of the real fight?

Watery fakin steups indeed

Because stupid follow fashion Trinins like to jump on anything that comes out of the US to show "wokeness" :roll: So much sheit here to protest like the crime rate, PNM and that is the peg Rhoda, Kambon (both of them) and Abeo and those other morons want to hang their hat on?

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby paid_influencer » June 7th, 2020, 6:42 pm

the "all lives matter" thing.. in the USA, many (or most) people in the majority are not really conscious the issues faced by the minorities. The phrase 'all lives matter' allows the majority to ignore the social privileges they enjoy particularly when dealing with law enforcement.

In Trinidad the phrase 'black lives matter' is not in its proper context. Too much ethnocentrism here, promulgated by election rhetoric. Every election cycle we have destabilizing racial talk as the patronage networks go into full swing with benefits for "we people." People on the street become openly racial (not racist, but hypersensitive to perceived racial identity).

Too much of this will send us to Guyana level dysfunction. Eric Williams gave us the wisdom.

“There can be no Mother India...no Mother Africa...no Mother England and no dual loyalties...There can be no Mother China, no Mother Syria and no Mother Lebanon. A nation, like an individual, can have only one Mother. The only Mother we recognise is Mother Trinidad and Tobago, and Mother cannot discriminate between her children.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Redman » June 7th, 2020, 7:10 pm

Looking at
1)the disparity between the perception of police killing and the actual data,
2)what is a disproportionate reaction to Floyd’s death play out on media,dispute blatant hypocrisy,
3) And the uptake here,and beginnings of hateful rifts fueled by SM...


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The composition of warfare is changing. There is an increasing transformation in the traditional aspects of waging a war: conventional techniques of warfare are in decline and newer tactics and tools of warfare, such as information warfare, asymmetric warfare, media propaganda, and hybrid warfare, are filling the gap, blurring the lines between combatant and noncombatant, and between wartime and peacetime.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby zoom rader » June 7th, 2020, 7:27 pm

Redman wrote:Looking at
1)the disparity between the perception of police killing and the actual data,
2)what is a disproportionate reaction to Floyd’s death play out on media,dispute blatant hypocrisy,
3) And the uptake here,and beginnings of hateful rifts fueled by SM...


https://digital.sandiego.edu/cgi/viewco ... ontext=ilj
The composition of warfare is changing. There is an increasing transformation in the traditional aspects of waging a war: conventional techniques of warfare are in decline and newer tactics and tools of warfare, such as information warfare, asymmetric warfare, media propaganda, and hybrid warfare, are filling the gap, blurring the lines between combatant and noncombatant, and between wartime and peacetime.
It's not only about floyds death.

It's about systematic racism and harassment.

There are loads of example, like buying property in certain areas.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby sMASH » June 7th, 2020, 7:40 pm

lavantee lives matter

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Numb3r4 » June 7th, 2020, 8:06 pm

Does Trinidad & Tobago have a cohesive vision that binds us together?

I ask in reference to the above comment to "...Mother Trinidad...".

It speaks to a mother not differentiating between her children, but isn't that what Trinidad & Tobago did, differentiate?

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Ben_spanna » June 7th, 2020, 8:40 pm

So, all policemen involved in the incident have been formally charged, yet people are still silently protesting, so what exactly do all of these people want the government of the United States to do ?
What instant gratification are they seeking in order to stop their actions ? :| :| :|

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby redmanjp » June 7th, 2020, 8:49 pm

^perhaps start by looking into why the officer wasn't fired before considering there have been a lot of complaints against him, and if the 'knee on neck' method was allowed and why, considering that many ppl had died before from that same thing

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby paid_influencer » June 7th, 2020, 8:50 pm

Numb3r4 wrote:Does Trinidad & Tobago have a cohesive vision that binds us together?

I ask in reference to the above comment to "...Mother Trinidad...".

It speaks to a mother not differentiating between her children, but isn't that what Trinidad & Tobago did, differentiate?


I don't think Eric Williams meant the country should be a literal parent state that takes care of its children. The speech is about giving up foreign identification for a single, unified local identity free of racial thinking.

But you're right, our history has been filled with personalities that have used ethnocentrism to form patronage networks drawn from government funds.

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