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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby toyota2nr » February 3rd, 2015, 9:58 am

I'm still waiting for a logical explanantion why Rowley and David West didn't inform the President and PM of the witness statement that was tendered. A clear attempt to deceive.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby zoom rader » February 3rd, 2015, 9:59 am

Habit7 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
rfari wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
toyota2nr wrote:All that beat up and Kams make all the PNM look like bobolee...


Yep she made the PNM look small.
The PM just gained huge support once again.
If you fail to make the grade then it's out, something that PNM dont understand .

Indeed. Approval ratings surged upwards when she buss Gary choat. :)


If Manning did the right thing and bust Rowley choat when he had the chance , PNM would have still been power today.
Um ZR...

Manning did buss Rowley throat when he went public with his allegations of bid rigging (not criminal, just immoral) and Manning sought a fresh mandate.


Many PP supporters are trying to sell a narrative that 28 ministers Kamla fired are some sign of strength on her path and a positive precedent lacking in the PNM.

Why don't she take a precedent from Manning and rather than have more substitutions than a NFL game, just call early elections and get a fresh mandate?


Manning did jack chit to Rowley . Rowley was still allowed to do what he wants.
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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby rfari » February 3rd, 2015, 10:01 am

Its a good thing anan had foresight and invested in range rovers. That rainy day parachute. Brilliant

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby zoom rader » February 3rd, 2015, 10:09 am

rfari wrote:Its a good thing anan had foresight and invested in range rovers. That rainy day parachute. Brilliant


Too bad if PNM ppl rather fete and chasing old hoes .
Invest for a rainy day.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby zoom rader » February 3rd, 2015, 10:12 am

rfari wrote:
RASC wrote:
rfari wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
toyota2nr wrote:All that beat up and Kams make all the PNM look like bobolee...


Yep she made the PNM look small.
The PM just gained huge support once again.
If you fail to make the grade then it's out, something that PNM dont understand .

Indeed. Approval ratings surged upwards when she buss Gary choat. :)


I think the election lock now. 8-)

July lord willing ;)

zoom rader wrote:
rfari wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
rfari wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
toyota2nr wrote:All that beat up and Kams make all the PNM look like bobolee...


Yep she made the PNM look small.
The PM just gained huge support once again.
If you fail to make the grade then it's out, something that PNM dont understand .

Indeed. Approval ratings surged upwards when she buss Gary choat. :)


If Manning did the right thing and bust Rowley choat when he had the chance , PNM would have still been power today.

Remind me of the incident again


I did not expect you remember the incident, too bad if you can't remember .

Edify us. Its for the public good


PNM does not care about the good public, too bad if they can't remember or don't want to remember.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Dizzy28 » February 3rd, 2015, 10:16 am

rfari wrote:Its a good thing anan had foresight and invested in range rovers. That rainy day parachute. Brilliant


Hes not the Minister Jack say had the millions in a car trunk and several houses in Maraval too??
So Jack allege!!

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby rfari » February 3rd, 2015, 10:17 am

zoom rader wrote:
rfari wrote:Its a good thing anan had foresight and invested in range rovers. That rainy day parachute. Brilliant


Too bad if PNM ppl rather fete and chasing old hoes .
Invest for a rainy day.

You eh say nothing dey mamoo. We all know that pnm ppl not productive. Life is wine, women and song

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby zoom rader » February 3rd, 2015, 10:18 am

rfari wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
rfari wrote:Its a good thing anan had foresight and invested in range rovers. That rainy day parachute. Brilliant


Too bad if PNM ppl rather fete and chasing old hoes .
Invest for a rainy day.

You eh say nothing dey mamoo. We all know that pnm ppl not productive. Life is wine, women and song


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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby rfari » February 3rd, 2015, 10:19 am

zoom rader wrote:
rfari wrote:
RASC wrote:
rfari wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
toyota2nr wrote:All that beat up and Kams make all the PNM look like bobolee...


Yep she made the PNM look small.
The PM just gained huge support once again.
If you fail to make the grade then it's out, something that PNM dont understand .

Indeed. Approval ratings surged upwards when she buss Gary choat. :)


I think the election lock now. 8-)

July lord willing ;)

zoom rader wrote:
rfari wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
rfari wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
toyota2nr wrote:All that beat up and Kams make all the PNM look like bobolee...


Yep she made the PNM look small.
The PM just gained huge support once again.
If you fail to make the grade then it's out, something that PNM dont understand .

Indeed. Approval ratings surged upwards when she buss Gary choat. :)


If Manning did the right thing and bust Rowley choat when he had the chance , PNM would have still been power today.

Remind me of the incident again


I did not expect you remember the incident, too bad if you can't remember .

Edify us. Its for the public good


PNM does not care about the good public, too bad if they can't remember or don't want to remember.

All I asking for is to remind us about which instance of corruption you are referring to. Because its so many, I've lost track. That is all. Why we making it difficult?

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Hyperion » February 3rd, 2015, 10:38 am

Rowley dropping shots now.

Many PP cabinet ministers' names at the FIU since 2012 for suspicious financial activity

Gary furnished Vasant Bharath's name to the Police yesterday, as the other minister who tried to influence his decision. Kams done set the stage last night, vasant have to go to.

She could block or delay all she want, if she wants to follow up on last night's performance then she has no choice but to buss his throat too.
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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby eliteauto » February 3rd, 2015, 10:46 am

toyota2nr wrote:I'm still waiting for a logical explanantion why Rowley and David West didn't inform the President and PM of the witness statement that was tendered. A clear attempt to deceive.


David West is a witness of fact, you'd think a SC like the esteemed PM would know what that means. Similarly how does being a witness in a matter indicate bias? Clutching at straws at best

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby PariaMan » February 3rd, 2015, 10:49 am

toyota2nr wrote:I'm still waiting for a logical explanantion why Rowley and David West didn't inform the President and PM of the witness statement that was tendered. A clear attempt to deceive.


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It could be that Mr West opted not to inform Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar because of trepidation that all attorneys working for the State would have felt as a result of what has come to be known as Prisongate.

After nearly five years as this country’s political leader, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar demonstrated in her statement to the nation last night that she still has the ability to surprise.

The fact that the Prime Minister used the opportunity of this anxiously awaited address to launch a vicious attack on the director of the Police Complaints Authority (PCA), David West, would have stunned many of those viewing or listening to the statement.

Few people would have expected the prime minister to suggest that Mr West had “seriously compromised” his position as director of the PCA and that he should “immediately resign” for not notifying her of an alleged attempt to get him to withdraw his now infamous witness statement.

It could be that Mr West opted not to inform Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar because of trepidation that all attorneys working for the State would have felt as a result of what has come to be known as Prisongate.

In that matter, former Solicitor General Eleanor Donaldson-Honeywell, in August, 2013, bypassed her line minister Attorney General Anand Ramlogan and wrote to the prime minister directly expressing concern about what was described as an “unethical business” venture in prison litigation matters.

Clearly, there was an expectation on the part of Ms Donaldson-Honeywell that the prime minister would have launched, or caused to launch, a discreet, independent inquiry into the conduct of certain attorneys who were appearing on behalf of the State in matters involving prisoners. In that matter, there were calls for the Office of the Attorney General to be investigated.

Instead, the prime minister referred the matter to the Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, who after a brief inquiry, concluded: “I have found no evidence whatsoever to substantiate the allegations that lawyers in the Chief State Solicitor’s (CSS) department or the Solicitor General’s department were in collusion with prisoners or their attorneys to procure a favourable settlement.”

It could be Mr West felt that the prime minister would have treated his allegations in a similar manner.


It is hoped that Mrs Persad-Bissessar was not attempting to put pressure on President Anthony Carmona to revoke Mr West’s appointment as the law gives the president that right, in his own discretion, only if the director “failed to carry out his prescribed duties for a continuous period of three months, without reasonable excuse, is unable to discharge the functions of his office, whether arising from infirmity of mind or body or any other cause, or for misbehaviour” or if the director has become a member of the Senate, the House of Representatives, the Tobago House of Assembly or a Municipal Corporation.

It was also surprising and unexpected that the prime minister would have embarked on an extensive shake up of her Cabinet so soon before the 2015 general elections are scheduled to be held.

Introducing five new ministers into the Cabinet at this time brings new blood into the administration, but does not provide any of them with the opportunity to properly familiarise themselves with the workings of their ministries.

On the other hand, it was no surprise that the prime minister asked for and received the resignation of Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, whose position as the legal advisor to the Cabinet became untenable last Thursday when the police began an investigation into whether he attempted to get the director of the Police Complaints Authority to withdraw a witness statement relating to a Section 34 defamation matter.

This was one decision for which the prime minister deserved some credit.

And there were few who were surprised that National Security Minister Gary Griffith lost his job as it was obvious that his days in Cabinet were limited after the extraordinary attack on him by Minister of Communications, Vasant Bharath.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby toyolink » February 3rd, 2015, 10:50 am

People like myself who are trying to come to terms with the issues are much better informed after PM'S address and associated discussions.
-The PM has dealt firmly with errant Ministers.
-Questions raised about role of Leader of opposition and the head of PCA are clearer and seem valid.
-Has there been a level of collaboration between the Leader of the opposition and Mr West with the
intent to dis-stabilize the encumbent govt ?
-The PM seems to have been kept out of the loop and needs to take firmer control of her
ministers and during her tenure thus far has failed in this regard.
What are the worrying things;
-Misbehaviour by office holders and demonstration of stupidity.
-Need for strong management of cabinet members.
-The possibility PNM manipulation of information and truth.
-Can Mr Rowley be trusted?

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby PariaMan » February 3rd, 2015, 10:52 am

Sounds pretty logical to me!

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby 88sins » February 3rd, 2015, 10:53 am

rfari wrote:All I asking for is to remind us about which instance of corruption you are referring to. Because its so many, I've lost track. That is all. Why we making it difficult?


A mindless political zealot can't remind anyone of anything.
They can only see & remember what party politics has beaten into their tiny minds over decades of eat ah food mentality being projected upon them. It's all they know, cuz it's all they want to know.

Fact remains that almost all the scandals generated & half-assed legislation enacted by this unc guavamint have had anand ramgoat either at their heart or in the periphery, from the hurried & useless Dangerous dogs bill, to his idiotic counsel to kpb about declaring an SOE, to email-gate, to section 34, to prison-gate, to witness tampering charges, & countless incidents in between.

imho that arrogant, pompous, self righteous, scat-faced rat bastard should have gotten a foot planted in his posterior orifice to assist him on his way out of office many moons ago, & kpb should have done the only ethical thing & disbanded this crock of an alliance comprised of serpents & scorpions & set an election date within a month

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby zoom rader » February 3rd, 2015, 10:57 am

toyolink wrote:People like myself who are trying to come to terms with the issues are much better informed after PM'S address and associated discussions.
-The PM has dealt firmly with errant Ministers.
-Questions raised about role of Leader of opposition and the head of PCA are clearer and seem valid.
-Has there been a level of collaboration between the Leader of the opposition and Mr West with the
intent to dis-stabilize the encumbent govt ?
-The PM seems to have been kept out of the loop and needs to take firmer control of her
ministers and during her tenure thus far has failed in this regard.
What are the worrying things;
-Misbehaviour by office holders and demonstration of stupidity.
-Need for strong management of cabinet members.
-The possibility PNM manipulation of information and truth.
-Can Mr Rowley be trusted?



Rowley can never be trusted, he will quickly turn our beloved country in to a Haiti .

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Hyperion » February 3rd, 2015, 11:07 am

The burning question is - what did tanty kams mean when she said "if West or Griffith had brought the matter to her attention when it happened, it would have been dealt with differently"? Would she herself have tried to influence them to keep their mouths shut? Surely she would not have reported anand to the police. She should have elaborated on that point.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby UML » February 3rd, 2015, 11:22 am

Corrupt PCA head investigating corrupt police officers!!!

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby bluesclues » February 3rd, 2015, 11:22 am

j.o.e wrote:This is still Section 34 festering, if Kamla was so decisive she would've done the right thing since then.


exactly. is a too little too late scenario. now she want to shoot everything in sight. a pm is never supposed to feel hurt to fire a corrupt minister. it means she was protecting him and is part of the cabal. she may even well be the head. the vindictiveness of firing gary shows that. now she short ministers. really could get anyone else to hold ministry of justice?

victory for the people of trinidad for this game of chess where we get anand extracted from that position. i hope the prosecution go at him ridiculously hard so that he squeal on the rest of members in the cabal so he wont take all that lix by himself. kamla vex blue vex and want to dead same time. but she is corrupt for firing gary.

call elections.. runoff or no runoff.. they gone!

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby rfari » February 3rd, 2015, 11:28 am

UML wrote:Corrupt PCA head investigating corrupt police officers!!!

:mrgreen:

Lemme help you out there buddy
I just cropped the white. Let the message be clear ;)
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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Hyperion » February 3rd, 2015, 11:33 am

bluesclues wrote:
j.o.e wrote:This is still Section 34 festering, if Kamla was so decisive she would've done the right thing since then.


exactly. is a too little too late scenario. now she want to shoot everything in sight. a pm is never supposed to feel hurt to fire a corrupt minister. it means she was protecting him and is part of the cabal. she may even well be the head. the vindictiveness of firing gary shows that. now she short ministers. really could get anyone else to hold ministry of justice?

victory for the people of trinidad for this game of chess where we get anand extracted from that position. i hope the prosecution go at him ridiculously hard so that he squeal on the rest of members in the cabal so he wont take all that lix by himself. kamla vex blue vex and want to dead same time. but she is corrupt for firing gary.

call elections.. runoff or no runoff.. they gone!



I hope he is disbarred from practising law for the rest of his life. the legal profession was never clean, but because of the actions of anand and co, it has been brought into such disrepute in the last 5 years.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby orangefox » February 3rd, 2015, 11:40 am

UML wrote:Imagine a CORRUPT head of the PCA investigating corrupt police officers :|


How is PCA's Mr West corrupt ?

He is a witness to an alleged crime.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby rabiesebola » February 3rd, 2015, 11:46 am

orangefox dont take on UML....he is a PP supporter...let him just make himself look chupid on this forum with all his posts

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby PariaMan » February 3rd, 2015, 11:47 am

orangefox wrote:
UML wrote:Imagine a CORRUPT head of the PCA investigating corrupt police officers :|


How is PCA's Mr West corrupt ?

He is a witness to an alleged crime.



I hope the President grows a pair overnight and tells the PM that there is no reason to retract Mr West appointment.

This will demonstrate powers that he has.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Chimera » February 3rd, 2015, 11:49 am

I find they shouldn't fire west either. Hes a good boy

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby EmilioA » February 3rd, 2015, 11:57 am

zoom rader wrote:
Simple you don't perform or follow the PNM ill methods then it's out you go.
PM doing the right thing.



I go believe that when Suruj and Tim gone.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby bluesclues » February 3rd, 2015, 12:10 pm

PariaMan wrote:
orangefox wrote:
UML wrote:Imagine a CORRUPT head of the PCA investigating corrupt police officers :|


How is PCA's Mr West corrupt ?

He is a witness to an alleged crime.



I hope the President grows a pair overnight and tells the PM that there is no reason to retract Mr West appointment.

This will demonstrate powers that he has.


he should do that with gary too and leave the spy amongst their midst. kamla go call elections. that one will kill she because she hate gary now for bringing down the government and of course, insisting that he will follow through with his testimony to jail she dearest son anand. i commend she for making a hurtful decision.. but i would push she to make more but i now believe that SHE is the leader of the cabal.

what they does say when yuh call someone 'she'... who is 'she, a female goat?

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby bluesclues » February 3rd, 2015, 12:13 pm

ABA Trading LTD wrote:I find they shouldn't fire west either. Hes a good boy


arks yuhself this question.

did west gain his appointment through the work of anand? that would suggest that anand held sway over the appointment and those responsible for making the appointment. ALL OF THEM DOGS DEAD.

however. if west gained his appointment from deserving and legal decision then he should definitely not be fired.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby EmilioA » February 3rd, 2015, 12:31 pm

Given the amount of Ministers that Kamla has had to fire, I have she she is really bad at choosing people for her Cabinet.


The question now arises is this the first time that the AG has been accused of wrong doing? Nope. So will all those prior allegations now be revisited ?

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby EmilioA » February 3rd, 2015, 12:32 pm

bluesclues wrote:
ABA Trading LTD wrote:I find they shouldn't fire west either. Hes a good boy


arks yuhself this question.

did west gain his appointment through the work of anand? that would suggest that anand held sway over the appointment and those responsible for making the appointment. ALL OF THEM DOGS DEAD.

however. if west gained his appointment from deserving and legal decision then he should definitely not be fired.



West was appointed by the President on the joint advice of the PM and the Opposition Leader. At some point Kamla need to take some responsibility for West. He didnt appoint himself to the post.

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