The Religion Discussion

[megadoc1]

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i do what is real to help people and humanity.

i can tell you what i dont do.
i dont preach to people and live a hypocritical life.
i am not confined by any religious boundary.
i do not fear God.
and i do not hide behind a book.

do you know that one day you are gonna die?
when is that day?

that day is completely up to me.oh realy?
i can take my life now.please don't

or i can live healthy and live longer.
and try to avoid dangerous situations.but you are already in one

Death is inevitable. But its not something that you must Fear.
what happens to you when you die?

i leave you with a quote here " the secret of life is knowing how to die"

think about it.thats a lie

[zcarz]

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i do what is real to help people and humanity.

i can tell you what i dont do.
i dont preach to people and live a hypocritical life.
i am not confined by any religious boundary.
i do not fear God.
and i do not hide behind a book.

do you know that one day you are gonna die?
when is that day?

that day is completely up to me.
i can take my life now.

or i can live healthy and live longer.
and try to avoid dangerous situations.

Death is inevitable. But its not something that you must Fear.

i leave you with a quote here " the secret of life is knowing how to die"

think about it.

Those who die in Jesus Christ have nothing to fear.

What if i create a religion that states that you MUST worship a particular deity, let's call him "A" (A is not Jesus) and if you don't do that you WILL go to hell. Hypothetically, you now should have fear that you will go to hell. In fact, if I recall, Islam states that if you are not a Muslim, when u die u will go to hell, so you in fact DO have something to fear. It's just that as a Christian you believe that Islam is wrong, but who is to say they are not right and YOU are wrong.

[megadoc1]

Nice tack back there.

Anyway, the first people evolved from primates in the African continent?

You have just negated your argument!

If everything always was, there is no need for evolution. It follows that people would also have been "always was". Not so?[/b]

No, he doesn't mean it like that, he means on a fundamental scale, time as we think of it does not exist.

If time does not exist (as we know it), how do you explain evolution in this dimension?

If you look at time as energy existing in its own dimension and that time-energy is applied to mass to give space-time, as we know energy and mass are both different forms of the same thing, fundamentally energy we know cannot be created or destroyed, therefore that is what we mean by time just is, it is irrelevant to ask what occurred when energy was in an infinitely condensed state such as the big bang we can't ask questions as to the nature of time then because clearly the laws of physics must have been different then and broke down at the point of the big bang. Everything just exists after that and obeys the current laws that bind them. Yes, 'time' is a convenient way for recording events but it doesn't really exist the way we imagine it.[/quote]
did you figure that out that by your self ?
or did someone told you that and you believe them?
or did you read that in a book?

[DFC]

any one willing to prove that God is not real ?

Anyone willing to take up Megadoc's offer?

Tell god come NOW and Prove Himself.

You are dancing!! That was not the offer.

If you cannot prove that God is not real, simply say so.

From the very first few pages of this thread you were asked to Prove realistically God exists. and its been 100+ pages yet no real sign of his existence.

and i dont hide behind a book...you dont see me quoting any scriptures do you?

And we being Humans , and having 5 senses.
1- we cannot see God. Where is he? or she or it?
2-We cannot smell god. ( does god wear perry ellis perfumes?)
3- We cannot taste god.
4- We cannot oh have not heard god. why is he silent?
5- we cannot touch God. ( although many claimed to be "touched" by him. Inappropriately too)

Are there any scientific proof of GOD?

God exists for you-
1- you believe.

..........
is that the proof you wanna shove down our throats?
you believe...
naah man come better than that.

When go can show himself in being and prove himself
until then STFU.

[bluefete]

Nice tack back there.

Anyway, the first people evolved from primates in the African continent?

You have just negated your argument!

If everything always was, there is no need for evolution. It follows that people would also have been "always was". Not so?[/b]

No, he doesn't mean it like that, he means on a fundamental scale, time as we think of it does not exist.

If time does not exist (as we know it), how do you explain evolution in this dimension?

If you look at time as energy existing in its own dimension and that time-energy is applied to mass to give space-time, as we know energy and mass are both different forms of the same thing, fundamentally energy we know cannot be created or destroyed, therefore that is what we mean by time just is, it is irrelevant to ask what occurred when energy was in an infinitely condensed state such as the big bang we can't ask questions as to the nature of time then because clearly the laws of physics must have been different then and broke down at the point of the big bang. Everything just exists after that and obeys the current laws that bind them. Yes, 'time' is a convenient way for recording events but it doesn't really exist the way we imagine it.[/quote]

Are you saying that these laws change by themselves? They follow no known set direction?

How can the laws of physics break down if these laws are supposed to be infinitely set?

If we can't ask questions as to the nature of time back then, then we are not being scientific in our approach.

So the big bang becomes a convenient focal point to avoid asking the recurring decimal questions.

[megadoc1]

What if i create a religion that states that you MUST worship a particular deity, let's call him "A" (A is not Jesus) and if you don't do that you WILL go to hell. Hypothetically, you now should have fear that you will go to hell. In fact, if I recall, Islam states that if you are not a Muslim, when u die u will go to hell no questions asked, so you in fact DO have something to fear.

why fear something false? for just like islam, it would be made up

[bluefete]

any one willing to prove that God is not real ?

Anyone willing to take up Megadoc's offer?

Tell god come NOW and Prove Himself.

You are dancing!! That was not the offer.

If you cannot prove that God is not real, simply say so.

From the very first few pages of this thread you were asked to Prove realistically God exists. and its been 100+ pages yet no real sign of his existence.

and i dont hide behind a book...you dont see me quoting any scriptures do you?

And we being Humans , and having 5 senses.
1- we cannot see God. Where is he? or she or it?
2-We cannot smell god. ( does god wear perry ellis perfumes?)
3- We cannot taste god.
4- We cannot oh have not heard god. why is he silent?
5- we cannot touch God. ( although many claimed to be "touched" by him. Inappropriately too)

Are there any scientific proof of GOD?

God exists for you-
1- you believe.

..........
is that the proof you wanna shove down our throats?
you believe...
naah man come better than that.

When go can show himself in being and prove himself
until then STFU.

It is amazing the amount of abuse Mega & I have put up with just by having a discussion about God. But we continue anyway.

All that rant just to say that you cannot prove that God is not real.

BTW: God is worth more than the sum of our 5 senses.

[DFC]

megaduck and bluefete.

How do you feel that when you die, You will go to Jesus heaven, and Burn in a Muslim hell and be reincarnated into a Goat according to hinduism? All at once.

Tuner religion say that u will be born as a crablouse in HottGyul panty.

[zcarz]

any one willing to prove that God is not real ?

God as what you make him out to be?

[DFC]

bluefete how do you PROVE something?

What methods do you use to PROVE?

[bluefete]

megaduck and bluefete.

How do you feel that when you die, You will go to Jesus heaven, and Burn in a Muslim hell and be reincarnated into a Goat according to hinduism? All at once.

Tuner religion say that u will be born as a crablouse in HottGyul panty.

When you die will be a heck of a time to discover who was right all along.

[megadoc1]

any one willing to prove that God is not real ?

Anyone willing to take up Megadoc's offer?

Tell god come NOW and Prove Himself.

You are dancing!! That was not the offer.

If you cannot prove that God is not real, simply say so.

From the very first few pages of this thread you were asked to Prove realistically God exists. and its been 100+ pages yet no real sign of his existence.what were you looking for exactly ? or did you not read about my experience
and i dont hide behind a book...you dont see me quoting any scriptures do you?

And we being Humans , and having 5 senses.
1- we cannot see God. Where is he? or she or it?
2-We cannot smell god. ( does god wear perry ellis perfumes?)
3- We cannot taste god.
4- We cannot oh have not heard god. why is he silent?
5- we cannot touch God. ( although many claimed to be "touched" by him. Inappropriately too)

Are there any scientific proof of GOD?
are there any scientific proof of no God?
God exists for you-
1- you believe.ok

..........
is that the proof you wanna shove down our throats?
you believe...
naah man come better than that. where is your proof he isnt?

When go can show himself in being and prove himself
until then STFU.but wait is you need to prove he is not

[bluefete]

bluefete how do you PROVE something?

What methods do you use to PROVE?

The same methodology you want to use to disprove!
Scientifically speaking, of course.

[megadoc1]

megaduck and bluefete.

How do you feel that when you die, You will go to Jesus heaven, and Burn in a Muslim hell and be reincarnated into a Goat according to hinduism? All at once.

Tuner religion say that u will be born as a crablouse in HottGyul panty.

take win I done for now

[DFC]

bluefete how do you PROVE something?

What methods do you use to PROVE?

The same methodology you want to use to disprove!
Scientifically speaking, of course.

ok lets get back to basic here so we on the same page.

What scientific methods can be used to prove or disprove something?

let us outline some methods here and then we can base our discussions on these methods.

in a logical and systematic way
agreed?

now go ahead.

[megadoc1]

any one willing to prove that God is not real ?

God as what you make him out to be?

yes He

[bluefete]

bluefete how do you PROVE something?

What methods do you use to PROVE?

The same methodology you want to use to disprove!
Scientifically speaking, of course.

ok lets get back to basic here so we on the same page.

What scientific methods can be used to prove or disprove something?

let us outline some methods here and then we can base our discussions on these methods.

in a logical and systematic way
agreed?

now go ahead.

What scientific methods are used to "prove" the theory of evolution? Can we apply these as well to the existence of God?

[bluefete]

[
i do what is real to help people and humanity.

i can tell you what i dont do.
i dont preach to people and live a hypocritical life.
i am not confined by any religious boundary.
i do not fear God.
and i do not hide behind a book.

do you know that one day you are gonna die?
when is that day?

that day is completely up to me.
i can take my life now.

or i can live healthy and live longer.
and try to avoid dangerous situations.

Death is inevitable. But its not something that you must Fear.

i leave you with a quote here " the secret of life is knowing how to die"

think about it.

Those who die in Jesus Christ have nothing to fear.

What if i create a religion that states that you MUST worship a particular deity, let's call him "A" (A is not Jesus) and if you don't do that you WILL go to hell. Hypothetically, you now should have fear that you will go to hell. In fact, if I recall, Islam states that if you are not a Muslim, when u die u will go to hell, so you in fact DO have something to fear. It's just that as a Christian you believe that Islam is wrong, but who is to say they are not right and YOU are wrong.

All religions believe they are the right ones for their followers (as long as those followers help them to make lots of money).

[zcarz]

What if i create a religion that states that you MUST worship a particular deity, let's call him "A" (A is not Jesus) and if you don't do that you WILL go to hell. Hypothetically, you now should have fear that you will go to hell. In fact, if I recall, Islam states that if you are not a Muslim, when u die u will go to hell no questions asked, so you in fact DO have something to fear.

why fear something false? for just like islam, it would be made up

hahahahahahaha

[DFC]

bluefete how do you PROVE something?

What methods do you use to PROVE?

The same methodology you want to use to disprove!
Scientifically speaking, of course.

ok lets get back to basic here so we on the same page.

What scientific methods can be used to prove or disprove something?

let us outline some methods here and then we can base our discussions on these methods.

in a logical and systematic way
agreed?

now go ahead.

What scientific methods are used to "prove" the theory of evolution? Can we apply these as well to the existence of God?

no theory of evolution is another topic.
God is the focus here.

Stop ducking...answer me.

What scientific methods can be used to prove or disprove God?

[zcarz]

Nice tack back there.

Anyway, the first people evolved from primates in the African continent?

You have just negated your argument!

If everything always was, there is no need for evolution. It follows that people would also have been "always was". Not so?[/b]

No, he doesn't mean it like that, he means on a fundamental scale, time as we think of it does not exist.

If time does not exist (as we know it), how do you explain evolution in this dimension?

If you look at time as energy existing in its own dimension and that time-energy is applied to mass to give space-time, as we know energy and mass are both different forms of the same thing, fundamentally energy we know cannot be created or destroyed, therefore that is what we mean by time just is, it is irrelevant to ask what occurred when energy was in an infinitely condensed state such as the big bang we can't ask questions as to the nature of time then because clearly the laws of physics must have been different then and broke down at the point of the big bang. Everything just exists after that and obeys the current laws that bind them. Yes, 'time' is a convenient way for recording events but it doesn't really exist the way we imagine it.

Are you saying that these laws change by themselves? They follow no known set direction?

[b]How can the laws of physics break down if these laws are supposed to be infinitely set?

If we can't ask questions as to the nature of time back then, then we are not being scientific in our approach.

So the big bang becomes a convenient focal point to avoid asking the recurring decimal questions.[/b][/quote]

How can the laws of physics break down if these laws are supposed to be infinitely set?


yes that is a very worrying thought isn't it, as stephen hawking says:
It is dangerous to put too much faith in events at a moment where the density of the Universe is infinite, Although many people welcome this conclusion, it has always profoundly disturbed me. If the laws of physics could break down at the beginning of the universe, why couldn't they break down anywhere? In quantum theory it is a principle that anything can happen if it is not absolutely forbidden. Once one allows that singular histories could take part in the path integral, they could occur anywhere and predictability would disappear completely. If the laws of physics break down at singularities, they could break down anywhere.

[zcarz]

Nice tack back there.

Anyway, the first people evolved from primates in the African continent?

You have just negated your argument!

If everything always was, there is no need for evolution. It follows that people would also have been "always was". Not so?[/b]

No, he doesn't mean it like that, he means on a fundamental scale, time as we think of it does not exist.

If time does not exist (as we know it), how do you explain evolution in this dimension?

If you look at time as energy existing in its own dimension and that time-energy is applied to mass to give space-time, as we know energy and mass are both different forms of the same thing, fundamentally energy we know cannot be created or destroyed, therefore that is what we mean by time just is, it is irrelevant to ask what occurred when energy was in an infinitely condensed state such as the big bang we can't ask questions as to the nature of time then because clearly the laws of physics must have been different then and broke down at the point of the big bang. Everything just exists after that and obeys the current laws that bind them. Yes, 'time' is a convenient way for recording events but it doesn't really exist the way we imagine it.

did you figure that out that by your self ?
or did someone told you that and you believe them?
or did you read that in a book?[/quote]
that DID NOT come from a book, i wrote that myself

[megadoc1]

Nice tack back there.

Anyway, the first people evolved from primates in the African continent?

You have just negated your argument!

If everything always was, there is no need for evolution. It follows that people would also have been "always was". Not so?[/b]

No, he doesn't mean it like that, he means on a fundamental scale, time as we think of it does not exist.

If time does not exist (as we know it), how do you explain evolution in this dimension?

If you look at time as energy existing in its own dimension and that time-energy is applied to mass to give space-time, as we know energy and mass are both different forms of the same thing, fundamentally energy we know cannot be created or destroyed, therefore that is what we mean by time just is, it is irrelevant to ask what occurred when energy was in an infinitely condensed state such as the big bang we can't ask questions as to the nature of time then because clearly the laws of physics must have been different then and broke down at the point of the big bang. Everything just exists after that and obeys the current laws that bind them. Yes, 'time' is a convenient way for recording events but it doesn't really exist the way we imagine it.

did you figure that out that by your self ?
or did someone told you that and you believe them?
or did you read that in a book?

that DID NOT come from a book, i wrote that myself[/quote]
now tell me why should i believe you ?
and do you know everything?

[zcarz]

megadoc, he just provided a sensory disproof that God doesn't exist as you imagine him, many other disproofs have been provided in this thread, please read before you talk, i'm beginning to think you're not a real doctor.

[zcarz]

now tell me why should i believe you ?
and do you know everything?[/quote]
you SHOULD believe me because it makes sense, why do you believe the Bible?
and obviously i don't know everything, i can only postulate.

[megadoc1]

megadoc, he just provided a sensory disproof that God doesn't exist as you imagine him, many other disproofs have been provided in this thread and you believe?, please read before you talk, i'm beginning to think you're not a real doctor.lol

[megadoc1]

you SHOULD believe me because it makes sense, why do you believe the Bible?I choose to
and obviously i don't know everything, i can only postulate.

what if you are wrong?

[zcarz]

you SHOULD believe me because it makes sense, why do you believe the Bible?
and obviously i don't know everything, i can only postulate.

what if you are wrong?

why should God punish me for creating sensible opinions if I am a good person? Surely if I am wrong, God will be level-headed enough to accept my logic because after all it is logic, and God created logic and He would forgive me, when He would be to blame for not making His existence explicitly clear.

[megadoc1]

you SHOULD believe me because it makes sense, why do you believe the Bible?
and obviously i don't know everything, i can only postulate.

what if you are wrong?

why should God punish me for creating sensible opinions if I am a good person? Surely if I am wrong, God will be level-headed enough to accept my logic because after all it is logic, and God created logic and He would forgive me, when He would be to blame for not making His existence explicitly clear.

so who are you ? why should God go against his word for you?how did you know he forgives? are you a good person?

[zcarz]

you SHOULD believe me because it makes sense, why do you believe the Bible?
and obviously i don't know everything, i can only postulate.

what if you are wrong?

why should God punish me for creating sensible opinions if I am a good person? Surely if I am wrong, God will be level-headed enough to accept my logic because after all it is logic, and God created logic and He would forgive me, when He would be to blame for not making His existence explicitly clear.

so who are you ? why should God go against his word for you?how did you know he forgives? are you a good person?

I'm going with the Bible, the Bible says he is forgiving, so He should forgive me for being sensible, so it's either He is forgiving or He doesn't exist (as you imagine Him), and I am a good person, but that is irrelevant to the discussion.