The LGBTQ/Pride Debate Take 2

[paid_influencer]

yea govt want to throw away the concordant

the pressuring the schools to choose from ministry list, no religion listed. merit based, not religious based selection. The boards have a problem with that and legally they might have a case with the concordant.

but really and truly the ministry right-- religious based selection should not be a thing. I hope the boards lose

[redmanjp]

So people are finally starting to understand the agenda.

The Archiebishop spoke out. The Presbyterian board has sued the MoE.
The Hindu Board has sued the MoE.

Things are heating up.

Saw the story on CNC3 tonight, the archbishop Jason Gordon says while the MOE says there is no plans to introduce LGBT teachings in schools there has been international pressure on the MOE to do so and he is making the public know beforehand. What's interesting is of the people on the streets who were interviewed no one agreed with introducing this into schools. Maybe Trinis have a line in the sand after all, only time will tell the outcome. As to the Hindu board suing the MOE it has to do with the MOE trying to change the concordat bypassing the boards from interviewing prospective candidates but rather letting them chose from a ministry list. In these schools you want teachers who not only hold the academic qualifications but who can fulfill the religious and cultural values of the school, so I hope the board wins in court.

so they will have to accept MOE teachers? who, sometime in the future when LGBT issues are being taught will try to teach it even in the denominational schools?

[paid_influencer]

^on a related note

https://newsday.co.tt/2023/06/14/review ... blic-soon/

Review of SEA, Concordat completed, to be made public soon

MINISTER in the Ministry of Education Lisa Morris-Julian has revealed that the committee for reviewing the SEA exam and the Concordat has completed its review.

[bluefete]

So people are finally starting to understand the agenda.

The Archiebishop spoke out. The Presbyterian board has sued the MoE.
The Hindu Board has sued the MoE.

Things are heating up.

Saw the story on CNC3 tonight, the archbishop Jason Gordon says while the MOE says there is no plans to introduce LGBT teachings in schools there has been international pressure on the MOE to do so and he is making the public know beforehand. What's interesting is of the people on the streets who were interviewed no one agreed with introducing this into schools. Maybe Trinis have a line in the sand after all, only time will tell the outcome. As to the Hindu board suing the MOE it has to do with the MOE trying to change the concordat bypassing the boards from interviewing prospective candidates but rather letting them chose from a ministry list. In these schools you want teachers who not only hold the academic qualifications but who can fulfill the religious and cultural values of the school, so I hope the board wins in court.

so they will have to accept MOE teachers? who, sometime in the future when LGBT issues are being taught will try to teach it even in the denominational schools?

This right here. If Sat Maharaj was alive .....................

[bluefete]

ANDREW DOYLE: When I was growing up, Pride’s rainbow flag was a shining beacon of tolerance. But these ugly new versions are divisive, dangerous – and deeply homophobic

And then there are the dangers to children. The Tavistock Gender Identity Development Service, the disgraced paediatric former gender clinic run by the NHS, is, at last, due to close following a devastating report by Dr Hilary Cass that determined it was not safe for youngsters.

History will show the Tavistock to have been one of the greatest medical scandals in recent British history. In her book Time To Think, journalist Hannah Barnes found that between 80 and 90 per cent of the adolescents referred to the clinic were same-sex attracted — that is, probably gay.

Studies conclusively show a strong correlation between ‘gender non-conformity’ in youth and homosexuality in later life. But rather than allowing girls to be tomboys, or boys to be effeminate, the new religion of gender identity fluttering on the Pride flag encourages such kids to believe they are ‘trapped in the wrong body’.

And this is perilous for vulnerable children. The Tavistock and other similar clinics seem to me to peddle a form of conversion therapy — trying to turn gay kids straight.

Many young gay people have been put on dangerous puberty blockers because they don’t conform to heterosexual stereotypes. In almost all cases, this then leads to taking cross-sex hormones and, in some instances, irreversible surgery.


At the end of the video he described the flags a 'celebration of the mutilation of children'

Pride has almost nothing to do with gay people any more: it is being driven by what is known in academic circles as ‘intersectionality’. This new far-Left religion focuses obsessively on group identity — of race, gender, sexuality or something else.

But, as the Mail reported yesterday, at one Bedfordshire school, one girl is identifying as a male cat called ‘Kit’. The 16-year-old often wears a cat mask and tail to school, rubs up against her friends and miaows as they stroke her.

Reports also emerged this week of a secondary-school pupil who identifies as a dinosaur, another who insists on being treated as a horse, and one who wears a cape and calls himself a moon.

What are these pupils doing?

Perhaps they are making satirical gestures to expose the ridiculousness of their teachers’ obsession with ‘diversity’. They understand that those in authority have succumbed to an absurd belief system and are naturally testing its limits.

Perversely, the children are the only ones seeing the situation for what it is, while their deluded teachers go along with the new orthodoxies. We desperately need the adults back in the room.

Last year, police removed lesbian activists from a Pride parade in Cardiff because they were holding banners that said ‘lesbians don’t like penises’.

In other words, they were protesting against a movement that sees ‘gender identity’ as more important than biological sex.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rance.html

[alfa]

So people are finally starting to understand the agenda.

The Archiebishop spoke out. The Presbyterian board has sued the MoE.
The Hindu Board has sued the MoE.

Things are heating up.

Saw the story on CNC3 tonight, the archbishop Jason Gordon says while the MOE says there is no plans to introduce LGBT teachings in schools there has been international pressure on the MOE to do so and he is making the public know beforehand. What's interesting is of the people on the streets who were interviewed no one agreed with introducing this into schools. Maybe Trinis have a line in the sand after all, only time will tell the outcome. As to the Hindu board suing the MOE it has to do with the MOE trying to change the concordat bypassing the boards from interviewing prospective candidates but rather letting them chose from a ministry list. In these schools you want teachers who not only hold the academic qualifications but who can fulfill the religious and cultural values of the school, so I hope the board wins in court.

so they will have to accept MOE teachers? who, sometime in the future when LGBT issues are being taught will try to teach it even in the denominational schools?

I assume that even if they are forced to take Moe teachers once they are teaching in denominational schools they still have to tow the line. If the board takes a stance against certain issues unless the Moe challenges it in court and wins they have embrace the values of the institution

[SuperiorMan]

Guys what they mean by this?



https://twitter.com/TimcastNews/status/ ... 7251529735 (NSFW link kinda)

[bluefete]

The IRONY, eh, but still ......

Archbishop reaffirms no LGBTQI+ material in schools
Concordat protecting our children

jesse.ramdeo@cnc3.co.tt

Archbishop Charles Jason Gordon says he is monitoring the upward trend for inclusion of LGBTQI+ content in the school curriculum in recent times, particularly from international agencies.

However, he is assuring parents/guardians that for now, their children are protected from such material by the Concordat, which is the contractual agreement between the denominational bodies and the Government.

During a conversation on the programme Shepherd’s Corner, hosted by Deacon Derek Walcott on Trinity TV on Thursday evening, Archbishop Gordon noted that the Concordat—an agreement made over half a century ago—remains an important barrier to curriculum changes.

“As long as the Concordat stands, these things cannot be taught officially in our schools. No book, or text, or curriculum can be introduced into a denominational school without the consent of that denomination, so we might actually be very important for the Government, who has been blocking this thing locally, but when it comes with international partners, it’s going to create a difficult space,” the Archbishop said.

In pointing to the potential dangers of foreign influence, Archbishop Gordon referenced a questionnaire administered by an international organisation quizzing children about their sexuality and gender identity in Barbados last October. He said it was “an extremely intrusive questionnaire about gender fluidity, masturbation, and other areas of sex education, resulting in major backlash.”

The Archbishop said he had been unable to find any evidence to suggest any such texts were currently being used in schools, but also took solace in Education Minister Dr Nyan Gadsby-Dolly’s statement denying that there was any such plan in the works.

However, he still cautioned those in authority to be vigilant.

“If somebody has a book that was used inappropriately in a classroom or a questionnaire introduced to a child that’s inappropriate, please send it in,” he urged parents/guardians.

According to the Archbishop, new technology has also led to what he described as the “hidden curriculum.”

He added, however, that denominational education was in peril and steps were needed to preserve it. “Government needs to decide what it wants, if it wants an unnecessary fight with the boards, so be it. This is a fight I am prepared to fight with all other denominational boards.”

He also alluded to the troubling times on the horizon regarding the introduction of sex education in the school curriculum.

“The USA, the United Nations and others are putting pressure on Caricom to introduce comprehensive sex education. This will teach your child that his or her biological sex is not given; that each one could choose to identify as he or she likes.”

The Archbishop’s discussion on the programme came on the heels of polarising conversations in the public domain earlier this week, stemming from rumoured plans to introduce such an agenda in the school system, after images of books which feature stories of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex (LGBTQI+) characters surfaced on social media.

Education Minister Gadsby-Dolly on Wednesday denied there was any such plan or that there will be any changes to the booklist or curriculum for the 2023/2024 academic year.

Archbishop Gordon also stressed that to move the nation forward to 21st century education, there was a need for partnership between the Government, the denominational boards and parents.

However, he said Government is yet to engage in conversations on the plans and propositions aimed at strengthening the education system.

The Archbishop also contended that there were solutions to the issue that the Concordat only allows for the selection of 20 per cent of students from the SEA list.

“If the Government selected 15 secondary schools in all parts of the nation and called them colleges and convents and spent the money to raise their standards to prestige schools, the problem will be solved or on its way to be solved,” he said

https://guardian.co.tt/news/archbishop- ... 830020b89a

[bluefete]

[bluefete]

Big Hammer
5 hours ago

They want to force mentally healthy people to give in to mentally sick people, ... so that the mentally sick don't "feel mentally sick".

This IS sick.

https://nypost.com/2023/06/24/im-a-tran ... dr-hookup/

[bluefete]

Ahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. It good fuh dem. That is what happens when you want to encourage perverts in their sickness.

A University of Wyoming sorority has slammed its female members for complaining after it allowed a 6ft2, 260lb trans woman to live in the house - insisting the term 'woman' is 'unquestionably open to many interpretations'.

Members said they were left 'in constant fear in our home', and the lawsuit alleges that she was frequently caught with 'an erection visible through (her) leggings'.



One sister, who remained anonymous, told the National Review that Langford has not made 'any effort' to 'physically look like a girl', adding: 'He's just calling himself a girl. All you have to do is identify as a she/her.'

Leadership reportedly told members that if they have any issues with Langford then they can 'drop out'.

The lawsuit states: 'An adult human male does not become a woman just because he tells others that he has a female 'gender identity' and behaves in what he believes to be a stereotypically female manner.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ember.html

[adnj]

Ahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. It good fuh dem. That is what happens when you want to encourage perverts in their sickness.

A University of Wyoming sorority has slammed its female members for complaining after it allowed a 6ft2, 260lb trans woman to live in the house - insisting the term 'woman' is 'unquestionably open to many interpretations'.

Members said they were left 'in constant fear in our home', and the lawsuit alleges that she was frequently caught with 'an erection visible through (her) leggings'.



One sister, who remained anonymous, told the National Review that Langford has not made 'any effort' to 'physically look like a girl', adding: 'He's just calling himself a girl. All you have to do is identify as a she/her.'

Leadership reportedly told members that if they have any issues with Langford then they can 'drop out'.

The lawsuit states: 'An adult human male does not become a woman just because he tells others that he has a female 'gender identity' and behaves in what he believes to be a stereotypically female manner.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ember.html

“The central issue in this case is simple: do the plaintiffs have a legal right to be in a sorority that excludes transgender women? They do not,” the motion to dismiss reads.

The policy of Kappa Kappa Gamma since 2015 has been to allow the sorority's more than 145 chapters to accept transgender women. The policy mirrors those of the 25 other sororities in the National Panhellenic Conference, the umbrella organization for sororities in the U.S. and Canada, according to the Kappa Kappa Gamma filing.

The sorority sisters opposed to Langford's induction could presumably change the policy if most sorority members shared their view, or they could resign if “a position of inclusion is too offensive to their personal values,” the sorority's motion to dismiss says.

“What they cannot do is have this court define their membership for them,” the motion asserts, adding that “private organizations have a right to interpret their own governing documents.”

Even if they didn't, the motion to dismiss says, the lawsuit fails to show how the sorority violated or unreasonably interpreted Kappa Kappa Gamma bylaws.

The sorority sisters' lawsuit asks U.S. District Court Judge Alan Johnson to declare Langford’s sorority membership void and to award unspecified damages.

The lawsuit claims Langford's presence in the Kappa Kappa Gamma house made some sorority members uncomfortable. Langford would sit on a couch for hours while “staring at them without talking,” the lawsuit alleges.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/sor ... -100284035

[bluefete]

adnj:Hear this nah.

When are you considered to be transgender?

If a man decides he wants to look and act like a woman and proceeds to grow breasts but leaves his penis intact - Is he a transgender?

[Rovin]

https://www.facebook.com/philip.archbal ... 5457305805

[redmanjp]

Langford would sit on a couch for hours while “staring at them without talking,” the lawsuit alleges.

yuh see that? who is to say a man not pretending to be trans in order to gape at women? the middle ground here is to accept transgenders under the condition that they have at least almost fully transitioned- at a minimum removed male genitalia. if that is done u can BOTH be 'inclusive' and at the same time give some comfort to women that a man with a penis not getting any creepy ideas about them or worse has the potential to rape them.

[adnj]

adnj:Hear this nah.

When are you considered to be transgender?

If a man decides he wants to look and act like a woman and proceeds to grow breasts but leaves his penis intact - Is he a transgender?

You should know by now that the only way to become a sorority member is to pledge and then be accepted by the current members, according to the sorority bylaws.

So, the question is: Are you a member of that sorority? Because if the answer is no, what difference does it make to you?

[redmanjp]

adnj:Hear this nah.

When are you considered to be transgender?

If a man decides he wants to look and act like a woman and proceeds to grow breasts but leaves his penis intact - Is he a transgender?

You should know by now that the only way to become a sorority member is to pledge and then be accepted by the current members, according to the sorority bylaws.

So, the question is: Are you a member of that sorority? Because if the answer is no, what difference does it make to you?

what if he, or i have a sister or cousin there?

[adnj]

adnj:Hear this nah.

When are you considered to be transgender?

If a man decides he wants to look and act like a woman and proceeds to grow breasts but leaves his penis intact - Is he a transgender?

You should know by now that the only way to become a sorority member is to pledge and then be accepted by the current members, according to the sorority bylaws.

So, the question is: Are you a member of that sorority? Because if the answer is no, what difference does it make to you?

what if he, or i have a sister or cousin there?

Why do you have a relative that is a member in a sorority that believes in what they don't believe in? Your family member would pay to be a member and they don't want to be there? Then you have stupid people in your family.

But it's okay to have stupid family members. You can't pick your family, but you sure can pick your sorority.

[bluefete]

adnj:Hear this nah.

When are you considered to be transgender?

If a man decides he wants to look and act like a woman and proceeds to grow breasts but leaves his penis intact - Is he a transgender?

You should know by now that the only way to become a sorority member is to pledge and then be accepted by the current members, according to the sorority bylaws.

So, the question is: Are you a member of that sorority? Because if the answer is no, what difference does it make to you?

what if he, or i have a sister or cousin there?

Why do you have a relative that is a member in a sorority that believes in what they don't believe in? Your family member would pay to be a member and they don't want to be there? Then you have stupid people in your family.

But it's okay to have stupid family members. You can't pick your family, but you sure can pick your sorority.

Did you even read my question before you went on your rant?

[redmanjp]

what if the sorority change their stance to accept trans ppl AFTER she joined? or to accept ppl who simply CLAIM to be trans without physical transition whereas before they only allowed them after transition? what if all the sororities in the school decided or were mandated to be 'inclusive'?

[adnj]

what if the sorority change their stance to accept trans ppl AFTER she joined? or to accept ppl who simply CLAIM to be trans without physical transition whereas before they only allowed them after transition? what if all the sororities in the school decided or were mandated to be 'inclusive'?

You really want to win, don't you? The transgender policy has been in place since 2015. Undergraduates live in Greek houses.

If a woman joins a sorority, they choose to join that sorority. The rules are voted on nationally and by chapter. If they don't like the rules, vote to change them. If the lose the vote, the rest is obvious.

[adnj]

adnj:Hear this nah.

When are you considered to be transgender?

If a man decides he wants to look and act like a woman and proceeds to grow breasts but leaves his penis intact - Is he a transgender?

You should know by now that the only way to become a sorority member is to pledge and then be accepted by the current members, according to the sorority bylaws.

So, the question is: Are you a member of that sorority? Because if the answer is no, what difference does it make to you?

what if he, or i have a sister or cousin there?

Why do you have a relative that is a member in a sorority that believes in what they don't believe in? Your family member would pay to be a member and they don't want to be there? Then you have stupid people in your family.

But it's okay to have stupid family members. You can't pick your family, but you sure can pick your sorority.

Did you even read my question before you went on your rant?

Your question is of no consequence. If you want to debate what is, and what is not, transgender, I see no reason why you can't. I chose not to respond because you appear to be unaware of what the process of gender reassignment entails. I suggest that you start there so that you can appreciate, or at the very least superficially understand, the complexity and the duration of a person's carefully considered gender reassignment.

[maj. tom]

The IRONY, eh, but still ......

Oh look, it's always the same people who always get their rage bait news from the same places like tabloids and Fox News.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) wasn’t the only person on the right who apparently believed that the chant was an actual statement that the people marching were going to sexually abuse children. Former Trump attorney Jenna Ellis tweeted: “Remember that thing they said they totally are not doing?”

Remember that thing they said they totally are not doing? https://t.co/wl1NP4Krku

The short clip from Friday night’s Drag March in Manhattan shows people chanting, “We’re here, we’re queer, and we’re coming for your children,” a sarcastic response to the rise in anti-drag, anti-trans, and anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric accusing LGBTQ+ people of sexually abusing children.

— Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) June 24, 2023
“This is what EVIL looks like….” conservative podcaster Graham Allen tweeted.

This is what EVIL looks like….

“We’re here, we’re queer, we’re coming for your children.”

pic.twitter.com/G5o3fKwIoa

— Graham Allen (@GrahamAllen_1) June 24, 2023
Conservative media outlets – including the New York Post and Fox News – ran articles about the chant.

Several commentators compared the chant to a similar controversy in 2021 involving the San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus (SFGMC).
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/06/mar ... sarcastic/

[bluefete]

adnj:Hear this nah.

When are you considered to be transgender?

If a man decides he wants to look and act like a woman and proceeds to grow breasts but leaves his penis intact - Is he a transgender?

You should know by now that the only way to become a sorority member is to pledge and then be accepted by the current members, according to the sorority bylaws.

So, the question is: Are you a member of that sorority? Because if the answer is no, what difference does it make to you?

what if he, or i have a sister or cousin there?

Why do you have a relative that is a member in a sorority that believes in what they don't believe in? Your family member would pay to be a member and they don't want to be there? Then you have stupid people in your family.

But it's okay to have stupid family members. You can't pick your family, but you sure can pick your sorority.

Did you even read my question before you went on your rant?

Your question is of no consequence. If you want to debate what is, and what is not, transgender, I see no reason why you can't. I chose not to respond because you appear to be unaware of what the process of gender reassignment entails. I suggest that you start there so that you can appreciate, or at the very least superficially understand, the complexity and the duration of a person's carefully considered gender reassignment.

Yup. Brakes when you have no answer or cannot answer properly.

A half-baked "woman" with a penis is still a man. You cannot spin that any other way. A fully transited man into a woman is still a man. He cannot get pregnant. Deal with it.

[redmanjp]

they still targeting children tho- whether it's 'I am a Rainbow' books or drag queen story hour.

[bluefete]

The IRONY, eh, but still ......

Oh look, it's always the same people who always get their rage bait news from the same places like tabloids and Fox News.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) wasn’t the only person on the right who apparently believed that the chant was an actual statement that the people marching were going to sexually abuse children. Former Trump attorney Jenna Ellis tweeted: “Remember that thing they said they totally are not doing?”

Remember that thing they said they totally are not doing? https://t.co/wl1NP4Krku

The short clip from Friday night’s Drag March in Manhattan shows people chanting, “We’re here, we’re queer, and we’re coming for your children,” a sarcastic response to the rise in anti-drag, anti-trans, and anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric accusing LGBTQ+ people of sexually abusing children.

— Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) June 24, 2023
“This is what EVIL looks like….” conservative podcaster Graham Allen tweeted.

This is what EVIL looks like….

“We’re here, we’re queer, we’re coming for your children.”

pic.twitter.com/G5o3fKwIoa

— Graham Allen (@GrahamAllen_1) June 24, 2023
Conservative media outlets – including the New York Post and Fox News – ran articles about the chant.

Several commentators compared the chant to a similar controversy in 2021 involving the San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus (SFGMC).
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/06/mar ... sarcastic/

I really like you eh maj.tom BUT on this issue we digress polarically!

If you feel I take chain up from the right wing you are sadly mistaken.

Maybe, you should research the Tavistock Institute, Chicago Children's Hospital and Yale University Pediatric School of Medicine to see how they are abusing children who they say are confused about their gender.

[maj. tom]

You identify as a right wing though. All your fear mongering posts are that, from the same type of sources, same bigotry, same hatred, same fears, same lack of empathy. From women's rights on abortion to gay and trans rights to all the idiocy regarding covid, even the same religious indoctrinations. You're keeping up with the current American trends of them telling you what to be afraid of and how to channel that fear and manufactured outrage. To give their shitty internet channels of mis- and dis- information more views and money.

[paid_influencer]

Langford would sit on a couch for hours while “staring at them without talking,” the lawsuit alleges.

yuh see that? who is to say a man not pretending to be trans in order to gape at women? the middle ground here is to accept transgenders under the condition that they have at least almost fully transitioned- at a minimum removed male genitalia. if that is done u can BOTH be 'inclusive' and at the same time give some comfort to women that a man with a penis not getting any creepy ideas about them or worse has the potential to rape them.

Lemme just say with all the insults getting throw around the thread, I respect you the most on here. I does come here specifically to read your posts. And yes I disagree on this particular issue but the respect is there.

I think that fella pretending to be trans is not actually trans. To be trans, one would have to assume a different gender role, not just make a claim or utterance. He should not be held up as an example of trans agenda, because he is not trans.

I would say we should not encourage anybody to change their genitalia. It has to be their choice - not a requirement to be trans. Indeed there is a requirement for persons seeking at surgery to have lived as the opposite gender for several years.

The middle ground really is living as the opposite gender, which this fella not actually doing.

[redmanjp]

u have to have evidence of that- either started surgery or something showing u are truly trans b4 being allowed in.

[redmanjp]

but but i thought the nudity at the White House was an isolated incident and didn't represent the community? also women's rights activist attacked