COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago (Local Updates & Discussions Only)

[MaxPower]

So basically after the 14 day quarantine...

These pests in Barbados will be allowed in?

Steups.

[bluefete]

I waiting to see if they will add my pardner's diagnosis in the next update.

[bluefete]

MaxieP: Yuh need a good reason to keep them out after that.

Ramesh: PAP letter waiting in the wings.

So basically after the 14 day quarantine...

These pests in Barbados will be allowed in?

Steups.

[carluva]

I do not think that they will be allowed. The borders still closed. PM never said that govt will make arrangements for them.

He just said that if they are clear from Barbados and they end up here in Trinidad, they'll be subject to CMO requirements which would include another 14 day quarantine.

MaxieP: Yuh need a good reason to keep them out after that.

Ramesh: PAP letter waiting in the wings.

So basically after the 14 day quarantine...

These pests in Barbados will be allowed in?

Steups.

[MaxPower]

MaxieP: Yuh need a good reason to keep them out after that.

Ramesh: PAP letter waiting in the wings.

So basically after the 14 day quarantine...

These pests in Barbados will be allowed in?

Steups.

Our borders are closed is more than enough reason.

But cool, open up the borders for them and anyone who crying to come back in after their galavanting.

The flight crew should choose not to fly.

Get the country under control first, then we will sort them out.....stay put means stay put.

[VII]

It's about the borders people..that's why they were stuck in Bim in the first place..

[Dizzy28]

CMO looking older

[carluva]

Yes. I was thinking the same thing.

Prolly lack of sleep no doubt

[sMASH]

By Wayne Sturge!
The man who died from COVID 19 was not an imported case since he arrived here on 5 February. Given what we know of COVID 19 he had to have contracted the virus in late February as much as many don't want to hear it, just after Carnival.

Did the MOH issue a statement on this? If they didn't clarification is necessary not only for the public but for themselves since it would probably impact their strategy going forward...

If it came with carnival then there would have had more community spread and deaths etc. Remember during carnival you have wet parties, poor hygiene and general lower community immunity resulting in "carnival flu" resulting in the yearly carnival flu. All of these are perfect conditions for something such as corona to flourish.

Had this been here since carnival we would have been seeing deaths and hospitalisations as the older population would have contracted it by now. Apart from cruise ship 40 we have what 20 cases all with recent travel history etc?

Our first case presented on 12th of March and this was a 52 year old who recently returned from switzerland. Meaning he would have been infected 5-7 days before. The average time for symptoms to develop is 5 days. The max incubation period is 14 days meaning that it could take "up to" 14 days for symptoms to show up but realistically it's between 3-7 days. A virus isn't going to hide in your body for 14 days and then decide to act up on the 15th day. That's not how infectious diseases work. Most people can't tell you when they suspect infection so 14 days upper limit is always just a legal/medical precaution.

The minute you are infected, your immune system recognises it as a foreign body and begins to work to counter it hence the symptoms such as fever and other symptoms. Fever is always a sign that your body is battling an infection. A fever that refuses to break is a sign of a systemic infection. A viral infection fever is one that you will recognise. You literally feel like you burning up. There may also be shivers and nightsweats. All these accompany the fever.

With that being said. Let's say that this spread began with as soon as carnival finish. Carnival ended on the 25th I believe. Let's say that person caught it on that day. Developed symptoms 5-7 days. That puts their max incubation period of 14 days at 3rd of March. So the 3rd of march was the last day for all your carnival cases to start popping up. Once that incubation period is over and no symptoms then no disease.

So what people with this carnival angle trying to say is there are people here who contracted corona over a month now and have been going about their lives without infecting others? Trinidadians live in extended families with grand parents/babies (vulnerable groups) in close quarters and still didn't infect others?

That making sense?

i will repeat it again, akash:

they have clear instructions to NOT test people who dont have recent travel history. if carnival people came and spread it on a local backside, then flew out, and the local catch it, no matter what symptoms they have, they WILL NOT BE TESTED.
given that 80% of the people would have mild mild mild symptoms, and that people still moving around like normal, it woudl spread, with only a few getting severe, and those would NOT BE TESTED for corona, and it will be written of as respiratory illness or flu or pnemonia or what ever.

its not that its not here, its that we are not testing the NON TRAVELED public.
now they ahve ian spread it, and a few isolations violating, they can now blame it on other people and say 'is we fault it spread'
and is unc wanted to drink rum, that cause it

[Redress10]

62.

A pardner of mine who came in from NY last week, just tested positive. Now got the results.

I wonder if they will reach out to everyone who was on the CAL flight he came in.

If you were in close contact with him recently then your incubation period starts the day after you saw him and lasts for 14 days so for instance say you saw him on 19th then your incubation ends on the 2nd of April.

Symptoms should begin to show up between 3-7 days so if you are symtom free around by day 12 then most likely you had nothing to worry about in the first place. That is essentially what incubation is.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

From CNC3's website

https://www.cnc3.co.tt/lockdown-for-tt- ... day-night/

Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley has declared a lockdown for Trinidad and Tobago from Sunday night.

[sMASH]

MaxieP: Yuh need a good reason to keep them out after that.

Ramesh: PAP letter waiting in the wings.

So basically after the 14 day quarantine...

These pests in Barbados will be allowed in?

Steups.

Our borders are closed is more than enough reason.

But cool, open up the borders for them and anyone who crying to come back in after their galavanting.

The flight crew should choose not to fly.

Get the country under control first, then we will sort them out.....stay put means stay put.

did they not put things in place, and are well prepared for all that happens? they can bring them, isolate them for the 14 days, and then let them be. didnt growlers self isolate for 14 days on his return from the crucial yam finding mission? thats how it works.

[carluva]

These media outlets something else... PM clearly said that the country is not going into lockdown nor a SOE. It's if you are non-essential, stay home. And the list of non-essential will be sent out before Sunday

The media is pushing public fear and drama.

[carluva]

By Wayne Sturge!
The man who died from COVID 19 was not an imported case since he arrived here on 5 February. Given what we know of COVID 19 he had to have contracted the virus in late February as much as many don't want to hear it, just after Carnival.

Did the MOH issue a statement on this? If they didn't clarification is necessary not only for the public but for themselves since it would probably impact their strategy going forward...

If it came with carnival then there would have had more community spread and deaths etc. Remember during carnival you have wet parties, poor hygiene and general lower community immunity resulting in "carnival flu" resulting in the yearly carnival flu. All of these are perfect conditions for something such as corona to flourish.

Had this been here since carnival we would have been seeing deaths and hospitalisations as the older population would have contracted it by now. Apart from cruise ship 40 we have what 20 cases all with recent travel history etc?

Our first case presented on 12th of March and this was a 52 year old who recently returned from switzerland. Meaning he would have been infected 5-7 days before. The average time for symptoms to develop is 5 days. The max incubation period is 14 days meaning that it could take "up to" 14 days for symptoms to show up but realistically it's between 3-7 days. A virus isn't going to hide in your body for 14 days and then decide to act up on the 15th day. That's not how infectious diseases work. Most people can't tell you when they suspect infection so 14 days upper limit is always just a legal/medical precaution.

The minute you are infected, your immune system recognises it as a foreign body and begins to work to counter it hence the symptoms such as fever and other symptoms. Fever is always a sign that your body is battling an infection. A fever that refuses to break is a sign of a systemic infection. A viral infection fever is one that you will recognise. You literally feel like you burning up. There may also be shivers and nightsweats. All these accompany the fever.

With that being said. Let's say that this spread began with as soon as carnival finish. Carnival ended on the 25th I believe. Let's say that person caught it on that day. Developed symptoms 5-7 days. That puts their max incubation period of 14 days at 3rd of March. So the 3rd of march was the last day for all your carnival cases to start popping up. Once that incubation period is over and no symptoms then no disease.

So what people with this carnival angle trying to say is there are people here who contracted corona over a month now and have been going about their lives without infecting others? Trinidadians live in extended families with grand parents/babies (vulnerable groups) in close quarters and still didn't infect others?

That making sense?

i will repeat it again, akash:

they have clear instructions to NOT test people who dont have recent travel history. if carnival people came and spread it on a local backside, then flew out, and the local catch it, no matter what symptoms they have, they WILL NOT BE TESTED.
given that 80% of the people would have mild mild mild symptoms, and that people still moving around like normal, it woudl spread, with only a few getting severe, and those would NOT BE TESTED for corona, and it will be written of as respiratory illness or flu or pnemonia or what ever.

its not that its not here, its that we are not testing the NON TRAVELED public.
now they ahve ian spread it, and a few isolations violating, they can now blame it on other people and say 'is we fault it spread'
and is unc wanted to drink rum, that cause it

I knew that as well, but what is the underlying reason for that? What are the limitations? At what point would it switch to do more testing?

[redmanjp]

they testing the contacts of travellers as well eh

and they expanded to high risk persons (old or health conditions) who has symptoms regardless of travel history or contact with same

[Miktay]

Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.

The need to have a national, coordinated response remains, but this is being met by the government’s COVID-19 response.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-conseq ... eases-hcid

[The_Honourable]

CMO Parsaram admitted that there can be persons who can go well beyond the 14 day incubation period.

[Redress10]

Smash

You still not making any sense and I am wondering if it makes sense to even respond to you at this point. You all are stuck in your ignorant ways so no amt of scientific facts does change alluh minds.

I already broke it down for you down to infection and incubtion period. Now you come here talking abt ppl flying in and spreading corona during carnival and flying back out? Are you a proper dunce?

The incubation period is maximum 14 days. That carnival incubation period ends on 4th March. A whole week before our first official case. Are you trying to say that this was spreading all through months of February with all the feteing etc taking place? Steups.

Mild flu symptoms. Do you know what mild means? A flu is more severe than the cold. A cold runs its course over 3-5 days whilst a flu could last for up to a month. Flu symptoms are different to cold. Much different.

Anyone who had corona im Feb, the virus has already run its course cause its almost a month and the incubation period is 14 days.

[Redress10]

CMO Parsaram admitted that there can be persons who can go well beyond the 14 day incubation period.

Same with any other disease. Remember incubation period is when ya body recognise the virus and starts reacting to it. So a person who taking cancer treatment or someone who had an organ transplant and on immuno suppresant therapy would have different testing requirements as their body wouldnt be able to create the antibodies necessary for an accurate test results.

Medicine has to say certain things for medical and legal purposes. So the majority may be within 14 days with the average being 5 days but you also have to mindful of "outliers". This is just medical talk for legal basis etc.

Just look at it like this...a negative result becomes more accurate the further from the potential infection incident it is taken. Meaning a negative test result taken at 14 days is more reliable than a test taken at day 5.

That is why when you test is also crucial to stop false negatives. Calm down peeps. Calm down.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

65 cases now

[supercharged turbo]

Now see it

[The_Honourable]

[redmanjp]

Smash

You still not making any sense and I am wondering if it makes sense to even respond to you at this point. You all are stuck in your ignorant ways so no amt of scientific facts does change alluh minds.

I already broke it down for you down to infection and incubtion period. Now you come here talking abt ppl flying in and spreading corona during carnival and flying back out? Are you a proper dunce?

The incubation period is maximum 14 days. That carnival incubation period ends on 4th March. A whole week before our first official case. Are you trying to say that this was spreading all through months of February with all the feteing etc taking place? Steups.

Mild flu symptoms. Do you know what mild means? A flu is more severe than the cold. A cold runs its course over 3-5 days whilst a flu could last for up to a month. Flu symptoms are different to cold. Much different.

Anyone who had corona im Feb, the virus has already run its course cause its almost a month and the incubation period is 14 days.

but they could have spread it to other ppl and after about 3 or 4 transmissions there could have ppl now getting it- but because during carnival no traveller from US/UK etc. was quarantined or tested they could have come in infected and spread it to anyone in public and contact tracing would no longer be possible- so u went to a fete or play mas and get it but u doh know from who. so even if u report it they would have said well there is no KNOWN cases so it can't be covid so no test.

US had a small number of confirmed cases but we all know now that was because of severe undertesting- the CDC admitted it was spreading undetected for weeks! so those undetected cases could very well have come here for carnival, especially if they were from washington or new york. right now they almost reach Italy! so it is possible we have a few undetected cases although not much or otherwise the hospitals would be overwhelmed and more ppl would be dying of some unknown 'viral pneumonia'.

[killercow]

USA now #1 with most cases worldwide (~82,000)

[MaxPower]

65 cases now

Shakes,

It have a rumor on a CAL pilot and flight attendant being infected with the Cove.

Talk to your team na for some intel.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

CMO Parsaram admitted that there can be persons who can go well beyond the 14 day incubation period.

Same with any other disease. Remember incubation period is when ya body recognise the virus and starts reacting to it. So a person who taking cancer treatment or someone who had an organ transplant and on immuno suppresant therapy would have different testing requirements as their body wouldnt be able to create the antibodies necessary for an accurate test results.

Medicine has to say certain things for medical and legal purposes. So the majority may be within 14 days with the average being 5 days but you also have to mindful of "outliers". This is just medical talk for legal basis etc.

Just look at it like this...a negative result becomes more accurate the further from the potential infection incident it is taken. Meaning a negative test result taken at 14 days is more reliable than a test taken at day 5.

That is why when you test is also crucial to stop false negatives. Calm down peeps. Calm down.

Also take a look at this


The R0 factor of Covid-19 is 1.4–3.9 according to testing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number and see references stated

[redmanjp]

covid looking more & more like 1918 spanish flu- very contagious and a high enough case fatality rate to cause millions of deaths globally

[sMASH]

These media outlets something else... PM clearly said that the country is not going into lockdown nor a SOE. It's if you are non-essential, stay home. And the list of non-essential will be sent out before Sunday

The media is pushing public fear and drama.

wah i bet ur monday run like normel.

[paid_influencer]

I knew that as well, but what is the underlying reason for that? What are the limitations? At what point would it switch to do more testing?

they've already switched to do more testing. At some point they'll stop testing and just infer from radiological findings (like Wuhan did after a few weeks).

From watching CNN, the testing is limited by the ability to take samples (having trained personnel and having PPE for them), ability to run the tests (they take several hours and the laboratory is shared capacity across many countries, with hospitalized patients needing priority), and there is a finite availability of test materials (like reagents, swabs, etc) that can run out.

It is important not to 'waste' tests. If we used a few hundred tests on random sampling, for example, we wouldn't have them available for the cases that really need it. It makes no sense to test people unless we have actionable decisions arising out of that test.

For instance, Ian Alleyne got a test but his course is the same: self-isolate and keep away from people unless it gets worse. But if a person is elderly, symptomatic and has pre-existing medical conditions, the tests would be much more important and will change the decisions made by the health system (which hospital to send him to, what equipment to assign, what medications, etc).