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facebook wrote:By Wayne Sturge!
The man who died from COVID 19 was not an imported case since he arrived here on 5 February. Given what we know of COVID 19 he had to have contracted the virus in late February as much as many don't want to hear it, just after Carnival.
Eighteen staffers of the First Citizens bank in Chaguanas have been directed to go into home quarantine, following talk-show host, Ian Alleyne’s visit to the branch last week.
Alleyne interacted directly with nine staffers when he visited the branch as a high-value commercial customer.
But nine others were quarantined because they came into contact with surfaces that Alleyne or their colleagues touched.
The majority state-owned bank used close circuit video footage to determine which staffers were quarantined.
First Citizens consulted with the Ministry of Health before taking the decision to quarantine the employees.
The branch was closed today and will remain closed until further notice, inconveniencing scores of customers seeking to do business close to month-end.
aaron17 wrote:http://www.looptt.com/content/young-adamant-no-soe-needed
racy lady wrote:I understand the Gov't does not want to put an SOE in place. To shut down all business will be hard for the already declining economy...
However, they need to at least implement a strict curfew soon rather than waiting for more cases to develop...especially since there are a few community spread cases occurring already...this is just he beginning...and there are two long weekends coming up...aaron17 wrote:http://www.looptt.com/content/young-adamant-no-soe-needed
Redress10 wrote:Absolutely meaningless...just sensational headlines.
Viruses such as the flu and meningitis could also have varied outcomes. Nothing is written in stone in medicine. There are so many factors always at play that is why prevention is better than cure. You don't know how your body is going to react to ANY virus or illness. No two people react the same to an illness or treatment.
That being said, it is always more difficult for older people to overcome a respiratory illness. So a 60 year old is in a better position than a 70 year old for instance.
Those headlines are suppose to provide even more reason for people to take necessary precautions and not start panic. Btw once it reaches pneumonia, any number could play regardless of age.
carluva wrote:KM_2NR wrote:What y'all think it'll take for the government to shut down the country ? More cases , more deaths , looting and panic all over.
In the context of the bigger picture, shutting down the country and a SOE should always be a last resort.
The economy still has to move on. We simply cannot afford to shut down the country and shut down the economy. There is a fine balance that has to be found and shutting down the country tips the scale in favour of economic distress, for the short to medium term. This has financial implications.
Legislation may also have to be enacted as, under a shutdown, all business will be forced to close, but then, how can you legally mandate Supermarkets, Pharmacies, Ports for trading and other necessary services to continue to operate. There are legal implications and challenges here. Then of course you will have human resource issues as how can people working in these businesses be expected to come to work when everyone else in the country is under lockdown?
State of Emergency - the above and other negative National implications are a direct result. I am not sure how many will remember the SOE in 1990 during the coup attempt. I was a young fella, but I remember that being quite unnerving for my parents with the lockdown, army presence everywhere and very restrictive movements.
The "simple" solution, and I use that word very loosely, is that as long as we follow the guidance of those in authority and the medical practitioners, we protect ourselves, we protect the front line workers and we ease the burden. So the social distancing, staying at home, venturing out only when necessary, avoiding gatherings and crowd and all the other mantras we have heard for the last few weeks need to be practiced and then we can do our small part to help.
People in this country, through their actions and behaviours, are begging for a lockdown and a SOE. I sincerely hope that those people can deal with the National ramifications of such and when those very people realise how badly it has affected them and the rest of the nation, they simply realise that they were to blame. Of course this is T&T which is not a real place, so why even assume that some of us have that level of intellect.
Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10,
I have symptoms for a week now and have been refused testing because my symptoms aren't bad.
Are you forgetting that 80% of Corvid-19 cases are mild or asymptomatic.
Ok...also remember that this is a contact virus. Who were you in contact with over the last 14-21 days in order for you to have the virus? Is anyone in your family confirmed corona? What abt a close friend? Did you hug this person or did they sneeze or cough on you etc? Did you go around randomly licking surface areas?
Two weeks ago we had our first corona confirmed positive. How would the virus get to you? Are you in close proximity to ppl with the virus? People were already taking necessary precautions such as hand sanitizer, social distancing etc 3 weeks ago. How can you be infected if you as I am assumimg took all these necessary precautions, not around someone who is confirmed infected and haven't been in contact with someone's droplets over the last 14 days.
Like any other disease around...proximity doesn't guarantee infection.
Dude I'm well aware, virus can be spread a million and one ways. Met clients at Hyatt, met endless people at meetings who travelled down after Carnival, shook so many hands etc.
I don't fit their criteria but I should be tested. I'm in close contact with my friend who's an NHS doctor in Birmingham, he said without a doubt they should be testing anyone who has flu like symptoms instead of guessing or assuming.
Things are going to backfire in our ass watch and see. My colleague in work, 2 days after I started feeling ill has been experiencing similar symptoms but with more of a cough and he's still going to the office like normal because he has too (he is doing social distancing but obviously shared surfaces will be hard to avoid).
sMASH wrote:facebook wrote:By Wayne Sturge!
The man who died from COVID 19 was not an imported case since he arrived here on 5 February. Given what we know of COVID 19 he had to have contracted the virus in late February as much as many don't want to hear it, just after Carnival.
sMASH wrote:lock down the county, 3 weeks. nobody on the streets, unless emergency services, public utilities. who get sick , they call, and then treat. ultimate contact spreading prevention.
once u allow people to go out onto the streets, and work, u will get spread. u dont test when u dont have a travel history, u will be denied a test.
right now, the numbers remain good, cause cause of death put as flu or pneumonia or respiratory failure... no covid test, cause no travel history.
Redress10 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10,
I have symptoms for a week now and have been refused testing because my symptoms aren't bad.
Are you forgetting that 80% of Corvid-19 cases are mild or asymptomatic.
Ok...also remember that this is a contact virus. Who were you in contact with over the last 14-21 days in order for you to have the virus? Is anyone in your family confirmed corona? What abt a close friend? Did you hug this person or did they sneeze or cough on you etc? Did you go around randomly licking surface areas?
Two weeks ago we had our first corona confirmed positive. How would the virus get to you? Are you in close proximity to ppl with the virus? People were already taking necessary precautions such as hand sanitizer, social distancing etc 3 weeks ago. How can you be infected if you as I am assumimg took all these necessary precautions, not around someone who is confirmed infected and haven't been in contact with someone's droplets over the last 14 days.
Like any other disease around...proximity doesn't guarantee infection.
boxy wrote:It amazes me how you can use all this theory but when the practicalities are put in place u don't have a clue.
Since u want an immediate shut down with just public utilities and emergencies
How do people get food?
Medicine?sMASH wrote:lock down the county, 3 weeks. nobody on the streets, unless emergency services, public utilities. who get sick , they call, and then treat. ultimate contact spreading prevention.
once u allow people to go out onto the streets, and work, u will get spread. u dont test when u dont have a travel history, u will be denied a test.
right now, the numbers remain good, cause cause of death put as flu or pneumonia or respiratory failure... no covid test, cause no travel history.
How are people still misconstrueing this.racy lady wrote:That's the point. It was very irresponsible to say that it is a mild mild mild mild mild virus that only older people/people with pre-existing conditions have complications or die from...there are may people below the age of 50 that are severely impacted by this virus and alot of people in TnT not taking it seriously since they may be ignorant of these facts...Redress10 wrote:Absolutely meaningless...just sensational headlines.
Viruses such as the flu and meningitis could also have varied outcomes. Nothing is written in stone in medicine. There are so many factors always at play that is why prevention is better than cure. You don't know how your body is going to react to ANY virus or illness. No two people react the same to an illness or treatment.
That being said, it is always more difficult for older people to overcome a respiratory illness. So a 60 year old is in a better position than a 70 year old for instance.
Those headlines are suppose to provide even more reason for people to take necessary precautions and not start panic. Btw once it reaches pneumonia, any number could play regardless of age.
boxy wrote:Understandable but what does a curfew cause /benefit? Places that basically attract night life are closed so everyone is already home. The problem is people who should be home due to recent travel not understanding that they need to stay the ass home both in the day and night. A state of emergency won't stop them from doing the same thing they were always doing which is leaving home when they shouldn't.
boxy wrote:How are people still misconstrueing this.racy lady wrote:That's the point. It was very irresponsible to say that it is a mild mild mild mild mild virus that only older people/people with pre-existing conditions have complications or die from...there are may people below the age of 50 that are severely impacted by this virus and alot of people in TnT not taking it seriously since they may be ignorant of these facts...Redress10 wrote:Absolutely meaningless...just sensational headlines.
Viruses such as the flu and meningitis could also have varied outcomes. Nothing is written in stone in medicine. There are so many factors always at play that is why prevention is better than cure. You don't know how your body is going to react to ANY virus or illness. No two people react the same to an illness or treatment.
That being said, it is always more difficult for older people to overcome a respiratory illness. So a 60 year old is in a better position than a 70 year old for instance.
Those headlines are suppose to provide even more reason for people to take necessary precautions and not start panic. Btw once it reaches pneumonia, any number could play regardless of age.
THE TERM MILD WAS USED TO INFORM PEOPLE THAT THE COVID 19 SYMPTOMS ARE MILD AND IF YOU HAVE SAID MILD SYMPTOMS TO PLEASE SELF ISOLATE. DO NOT GO AROUND YOUR PARENTS OR PEOPLE WITH COMPROMISED IMMUNE SYSTEMS BECAUSE YOUR MILD SYMPTOMS WILL BE CATASTROPHIC TO THEM.
How hard is that to comprehend. When u as a healthy person get a small cold u still go to work u still mingle with people they are trying to tell u that if u have mild symptoms to f**cking stay home.
MILD DOES NOT MEAN THE VIRUS IS MILD IT means the SYMPTOMS ARE MILD.
I wish I could speak Spanish to type it out in that format also. JESUS CHRIST.
abducted wrote:carluva wrote:KM_2NR wrote:What y'all think it'll take for the government to shut down the country ? More cases , more deaths , looting and panic all over.
In the context of the bigger picture, shutting down the country and a SOE should always be a last resort.
The economy still has to move on. We simply cannot afford to shut down the country and shut down the economy. There is a fine balance that has to be found and shutting down the country tips the scale in favour of economic distress, for the short to medium term. This has financial implications.
Legislation may also have to be enacted as, under a shutdown, all business will be forced to close, but then, how can you legally mandate Supermarkets, Pharmacies, Ports for trading and other necessary services to continue to operate. There are legal implications and challenges here. Then of course you will have human resource issues as how can people working in these businesses be expected to come to work when everyone else in the country is under lockdown?
State of Emergency - the above and other negative National implications are a direct result. I am not sure how many will remember the SOE in 1990 during the coup attempt. I was a young fella, but I remember that being quite unnerving for my parents with the lockdown, army presence everywhere and very restrictive movements.
The "simple" solution, and I use that word very loosely, is that as long as we follow the guidance of those in authority and the medical practitioners, we protect ourselves, we protect the front line workers and we ease the burden. So the social distancing, staying at home, venturing out only when necessary, avoiding gatherings and crowd and all the other mantras we have heard for the last few weeks need to be practiced and then we can do our small part to help.
People in this country, through their actions and behaviours, are begging for a lockdown and a SOE. I sincerely hope that those people can deal with the National ramifications of such and when those very people realise how badly it has affected them and the rest of the nation, they simply realise that they were to blame. Of course this is T&T which is not a real place, so why even assume that some of us have that level of intellect.
The high number of dead people will not be able to enjoy the good economy, you cannot put the economy before lives, the coup was very different, there was shooting and bombing involved in a hostile takeover, we do not want to end up like Italy, Spain or New York, the only thing that has worked in China, California and elsewhere is to have everyone shelter in place with only essential service utilities operating, we cannot expect to have people going to work, shopping, using public transport and not expect the virus to spread
boxy wrote:It amazes me how you can use all this theory but when the practicalities are put in place u don't have a clue.
Since u want an immediate shut down with just public utilities and emergencies
How do people get food?
Medicine?sMASH wrote:lock down the county, 3 weeks. nobody on the streets, unless emergency services, public utilities. who get sick , they call, and then treat. ultimate contact spreading prevention.
once u allow people to go out onto the streets, and work, u will get spread. u dont test when u dont have a travel history, u will be denied a test.
right now, the numbers remain good, cause cause of death put as flu or pneumonia or respiratory failure... no covid test, cause no travel history.
boxy wrote:How are people still misconstrueing this.
THE TERM MILD WAS USED TO INFORM PEOPLE THAT THE COVID 19 SYMPTOMS ARE MILD AND IF YOU HAVE SAID MILD SYMPTOMS TO PLEASE SELF ISOLATE. DO NOT GO AROUND YOUR PARENTS OR PEOPLE WITH COMPROMISED IMMUNE SYSTEMS BECAUSE YOUR MILD SYMPTOMS WILL BE CATASTROPHIC TO THEM.
How hard is that to comprehend. When u as a healthy person get a small cold u still go to work u still mingle with people they are trying to tell u that if u have mild symptoms to f**cking stay home.
MILD DOES NOT MEAN THE VIRUS IS MILD IT means the SYMPTOMS ARE MILD.
I wish I could speak Spanish to type it out in that format also. JESUS CHRIST.
carluva wrote:abducted wrote:carluva wrote:KM_2NR wrote:What y'all think it'll take for the government to shut down the country ? More cases , more deaths , looting and panic all over.
In the context of the bigger picture, shutting down the country and a SOE should always be a last resort.
The economy still has to move on. We simply cannot afford to shut down the country and shut down the economy. There is a fine balance that has to be found and shutting down the country tips the scale in favour of economic distress, for the short to medium term. This has financial implications.
Legislation may also have to be enacted as, under a shutdown, all business will be forced to close, but then, how can you legally mandate Supermarkets, Pharmacies, Ports for trading and other necessary services to continue to operate. There are legal implications and challenges here. Then of course you will have human resource issues as how can people working in these businesses be expected to come to work when everyone else in the country is under lockdown?
State of Emergency - the above and other negative National implications are a direct result. I am not sure how many will remember the SOE in 1990 during the coup attempt. I was a young fella, but I remember that being quite unnerving for my parents with the lockdown, army presence everywhere and very restrictive movements.
The "simple" solution, and I use that word very loosely, is that as long as we follow the guidance of those in authority and the medical practitioners, we protect ourselves, we protect the front line workers and we ease the burden. So the social distancing, staying at home, venturing out only when necessary, avoiding gatherings and crowd and all the other mantras we have heard for the last few weeks need to be practiced and then we can do our small part to help.
People in this country, through their actions and behaviours, are begging for a lockdown and a SOE. I sincerely hope that those people can deal with the National ramifications of such and when those very people realise how badly it has affected them and the rest of the nation, they simply realise that they were to blame. Of course this is T&T which is not a real place, so why even assume that some of us have that level of intellect.
The high number of dead people will not be able to enjoy the good economy, you cannot put the economy before lives, the coup was very different, there was shooting and bombing involved in a hostile takeover, we do not want to end up like Italy, Spain or New York, the only thing that has worked in China, California and elsewhere is to have everyone shelter in place with only essential service utilities operating, we cannot expect to have people going to work, shopping, using public transport and not expect the virus to spread
What high number of dead people in Trinidad? One person's death, as unfortunate as it is, does not warrant a SOE or lockdown. Behaviours do. China, Italy, Spain and the USA have seen drastic explosions in numbers that we have not and hopefully will not. As long as people do what they have to do, this could be controlled with no need for a SOE.
An SOE is not the only way to restrict movements. Through our behaviours and actions and following the rules, we can limit movements and interactions. But you cannot have people doing as if its normal times and begging for a SOE to keep them in line.
sMASH wrote:carluva wrote:abducted wrote:carluva wrote:KM_2NR wrote:What y'all think it'll take for the government to shut down the country ? More cases , more deaths , looting and panic all over.
In the context of the bigger picture, shutting down the country and a SOE should always be a last resort.
The economy still has to move on. We simply cannot afford to shut down the country and shut down the economy. There is a fine balance that has to be found and shutting down the country tips the scale in favour of economic distress, for the short to medium term. This has financial implications.
Legislation may also have to be enacted as, under a shutdown, all business will be forced to close, but then, how can you legally mandate Supermarkets, Pharmacies, Ports for trading and other necessary services to continue to operate. There are legal implications and challenges here. Then of course you will have human resource issues as how can people working in these businesses be expected to come to work when everyone else in the country is under lockdown?
State of Emergency - the above and other negative National implications are a direct result. I am not sure how many will remember the SOE in 1990 during the coup attempt. I was a young fella, but I remember that being quite unnerving for my parents with the lockdown, army presence everywhere and very restrictive movements.
The "simple" solution, and I use that word very loosely, is that as long as we follow the guidance of those in authority and the medical practitioners, we protect ourselves, we protect the front line workers and we ease the burden. So the social distancing, staying at home, venturing out only when necessary, avoiding gatherings and crowd and all the other mantras we have heard for the last few weeks need to be practiced and then we can do our small part to help.
People in this country, through their actions and behaviours, are begging for a lockdown and a SOE. I sincerely hope that those people can deal with the National ramifications of such and when those very people realise how badly it has affected them and the rest of the nation, they simply realise that they were to blame. Of course this is T&T which is not a real place, so why even assume that some of us have that level of intellect.
The high number of dead people will not be able to enjoy the good economy, you cannot put the economy before lives, the coup was very different, there was shooting and bombing involved in a hostile takeover, we do not want to end up like Italy, Spain or New York, the only thing that has worked in China, California and elsewhere is to have everyone shelter in place with only essential service utilities operating, we cannot expect to have people going to work, shopping, using public transport and not expect the virus to spread
What high number of dead people in Trinidad? One person's death, as unfortunate as it is, does not warrant a SOE or lockdown. Behaviours do. China, Italy, Spain and the USA have seen drastic explosions in numbers that we have not and hopefully will not. As long as people do what they have to do, this could be controlled with no need for a SOE.
An SOE is not the only way to restrict movements. Through our behaviours and actions and following the rules, we can limit movements and interactions. But you cannot have people doing as if its normal times and begging for a SOE to keep them in line.
U obviously dont understand human nature.
fine, tell them what to do, and fine/imprison them when they dont do it. hope u have enough prison cells. oh, and prisoners need to be fed, medically treated when necessary as well as prevented from catching covid too, so u hadda give them enough space.
hydroep wrote:sMASH wrote:facebook wrote:By Wayne Sturge!
The man who died from COVID 19 was not an imported case since he arrived here on 5 February. Given what we know of COVID 19 he had to have contracted the virus in late February as much as many don't want to hear it, just after Carnival.
Did the MOH issue a statement on this? If they didn't clarification is necessary not only for the public but for themselves since it would probably impact their strategy going forward...
Redress10 wrote:hydroep wrote:sMASH wrote:facebook wrote:By Wayne Sturge!
The man who died from COVID 19 was not an imported case since he arrived here on 5 February. Given what we know of COVID 19 he had to have contracted the virus in late February as much as many don't want to hear it, just after Carnival.
Did the MOH issue a statement on this? If they didn't clarification is necessary not only for the public but for themselves since it would probably impact their strategy going forward...
If it came with carnival then there would have had more community spread and deaths etc. Remember during carnival you have wet parties, poor hygiene and general lower community immunity resulting in "carnival flu" resulting in the yearly carnival flu. All of these are perfect conditions for something such as corona to flourish.
Had this been here since carnival we would have been seeing deaths and hospitalisations as the older population would have contracted it by now. Apart from cruise ship 40 we have what 20 cases all with recent travel history etc?
Our first case presented on 12th of March and this was a 52 year old who recently returned from switzerland. Meaning he would have been infected 5-7 days before. The average time for symptoms to develop is 5 days. The max incubation period is 14 days meaning that it could take "up to" 14 days for symptoms to show up but realistically it's between 3-7 days. A virus isn't going to hide in your body for 14 days and then decide to act up on the 15th day. That's not how infectious diseases work. Most people can't tell you when they suspect infection so 14 days upper limit is always just a legal/medical precaution.
The minute you are infected, your immune system recognises it as a foreign body and begins to work to counter it hence the symptoms such as fever and other symptoms. Fever is always a sign that your body is battling an infection. A fever that refuses to break is a sign of a systemic infection. A viral infection fever is one that you will recognise. You literally feel like you burning up. There may also be shivers and nightsweats. All these accompany the fever.
With that being said. Let's say that this spread began with as soon as carnival finish. Carnival ended on the 25th I believe. Let's say that person caught it on that day. Developed symptoms 5-7 days. That puts their max incubation period of 14 days at 3rd of March. So the 3rd of march was the last day for all your carnival cases to start popping up. Once that incubation period is over and no symptoms then no disease.
So what people with this carnival angle trying to say is there are people here who contracted corona over a month now and have been going about their lives without infecting others? Trinidadians live in extended families with grand parents/babies (vulnerable groups) in close quarters and still didn't infect others?
That making sense?
redmanjp wrote:so diarrhoea is a symptom and i had it Tuesday but no fever or cough- i assumed it was bad food i buy
just learned a coworker is self-isolating as his family had contact with a relative from New York (the epicentre of the US)
should i be concerned? note we are on rotation so he last came to work Monday and i wasn't in office then but came out to work Tuesday & Wednesday
carluva wrote:abducted wrote:carluva wrote:KM_2NR wrote:What y'all think it'll take for the government to shut down the country ? More cases , more deaths , looting and panic all over.
In the context of the bigger picture, shutting down the country and a SOE should always be a last resort.
The economy still has to move on. We simply cannot afford to shut down the country and shut down the economy. There is a fine balance that has to be found and shutting down the country tips the scale in favour of economic distress, for the short to medium term. This has financial implications.
Legislation may also have to be enacted as, under a shutdown, all business will be forced to close, but then, how can you legally mandate Supermarkets, Pharmacies, Ports for trading and other necessary services to continue to operate. There are legal implications and challenges here. Then of course you will have human resource issues as how can people working in these businesses be expected to come to work when everyone else in the country is under lockdown?
State of Emergency - the above and other negative National implications are a direct result. I am not sure how many will remember the SOE in 1990 during the coup attempt. I was a young fella, but I remember that being quite unnerving for my parents with the lockdown, army presence everywhere and very restrictive movements.
The "simple" solution, and I use that word very loosely, is that as long as we follow the guidance of those in authority and the medical practitioners, we protect ourselves, we protect the front line workers and we ease the burden. So the social distancing, staying at home, venturing out only when necessary, avoiding gatherings and crowd and all the other mantras we have heard for the last few weeks need to be practiced and then we can do our small part to help.
People in this country, through their actions and behaviours, are begging for a lockdown and a SOE. I sincerely hope that those people can deal with the National ramifications of such and when those very people realise how badly it has affected them and the rest of the nation, they simply realise that they were to blame. Of course this is T&T which is not a real place, so why even assume that some of us have that level of intellect.
The high number of dead people will not be able to enjoy the good economy, you cannot put the economy before lives, the coup was very different, there was shooting and bombing involved in a hostile takeover, we do not want to end up like Italy, Spain or New York, the only thing that has worked in China, California and elsewhere is to have everyone shelter in place with only essential service utilities operating, we cannot expect to have people going to work, shopping, using public transport and not expect the virus to spread
What high number of dead people in Trinidad? One person's death, as unfortunate as it is, does not warrant a SOE or lockdown. Behaviours do. China, Italy, Spain and the USA have seen drastic explosions in numbers that we have not and hopefully will not. As long as people do what they have to do, this could be controlled with no need for a SOE.
An SOE is not the only way to restrict movements. Through our behaviours and actions and following the rules, we can limit movements and interactions. But you cannot have people doing as if its normal times and begging for a SOE to keep them in line.
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