All Things US Politics Related: Biden pardons Hunter

[The_Honourable]

Impeachment popularity falling

[redmanjp]

Impeachment vote today?

[redmanjp]

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

House majority impeaches President Trump

WASHINGTON — The House of Representatives voted Wednesday to impeach President Trump for abuse of power, a condemnation that will permanently mar his legacy and one that only two other American presidents have faced in the nation’s history.
The Democratic-controlled House charged Trump with committing high crimes and misdemeanors, the constitutional standard needed to warrant his removal from office.

The case next goes to the Republican-controlled Senate for a trial, probably in January. But the president is expected to win acquittal there and remain in office — and become the first impeached president to run for reelection.

Democrats say Trump abused his oath of office when he asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son while Trump was withholding a promised White House meeting and crucial military aid to the struggling U.S. ally.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/ ... each-trump

[maj. tom]

Yeah so the Senate will just acquit him and the end. Trump 2020.

[teems1]

Trump 2020 just got an order of magnitude more difficult.

Many centrists who would have voted for him would now rethink so.

Yeah so the Senate will just acquit him and the end. Trump 2020.

[The_Honourable]

Flimsy case, rushed, and impeachment is already unpopular.

I believe Dems going to get hit hard as the Labor party did last week in the UK.

He's going to win in 2020.

[sMASH]

onto the 2/3 majority round!!!!

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

I think the biggest reason Trump wins so easily in 2020 is not due to this impeachment nonsense or russia gate nonsense, but because the voting public clearly sees that the Dems are more occupied with showing people how obsessed they are with power rather than actually fixing the issues of the middle class.

I think people now are much smarter than to vote based on bacchanal, which is the ticket the dems are running on. Half of their election portfolio is giving rights to LGBTQ and those sort of things, the dems are more concerned with LGBTQ nonsense than they are with creating jobs for people. Right now unemployment is at a record low under Trump and he stands up to China where as the Dems sell out the American people to China, this here is a big difference.

I believe by now people have moved past political bacchanal and are voting for a candidate and or party which will benefit the people the most. Which is why Trump still has more support than the dems and will continue to do so regardless of all the retarded sh!t he does do.

Trump's popularity and the fact that he won an election given all his flaws just shows what a massive pile of goat sh!t the Dems have be come as a party. How shitty does one have to be to lose against someone like Trump? then blame it on Russia, LMFAO

[Monk BANzai]

I think the biggest reason Trump wins so easily in 2020 is not due to this impeachment nonsense or russia gate nonsense, but because the voting public clearly sees that the Dems are more occupied with showing people how obsessed they are with power rather than actually fixing the issues of the middle class.

I think people now are much smarter than to vote based on bacchanal, which is the ticket the dems are running on. Half of their election portfolio is giving rights to LGBTQ and those sort of things, the dems are more concerned with LGBTQ nonsense than they are with creating jobs for people. Right now unemployment is at a record low under Trump and he stands up to China where as the Dems sell out the American people to China, this here is a big difference.

I believe by now people have moved past political bacchanal and are voting for a candidate and or party which will benefit the people the most. Which is why Trump still has more support than the dems and will continue to do so regardless of all the retarded sh!t he does do.

Trump's popularity and the fact that he won an election given all his flaws just shows what a massive pile of goat sh!t the Dems have be come as a party. How shitty does one have to be to lose against someone like Trump? then blame it on Russia, LMFAO

You start off saying "trump is so great" and then end up by saying "allyuh lose to a shiddong like Trump?" I'm not sure if to take you seriously anymore or assume you're Trini's Trevor Noah.

which is it?

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

I no longer believe he is some sort of strategic genius given all the sheit he does talk, either he is a genius or dems have to be pure goat sh!t, but I do think dems should run on some more LGBTQ ticket, seems to be working for them.

Dems need to campaign hard on 99 genders and maybe invent some new ones. Forget about the middle class, they dont need those racist votes.

I do support Tulsi or Bernie over Trump but since the dems are so corrupt they will put a war criminal like Biden or some other old sheit bought and paid for, it will be rigged against Bernie like last time.

[redmanjp]

Tulsi voted 'present' at last night's impeachment vote instead of yes or no

[redmanjp]

Pelosi withholding impeachment articles to delay Senate trial

[Dizzy28]

Tulsi voted 'present' at last night's impeachment vote instead of yes or no

For which she is getting lots of stick today.

My wife was asking about the difference b/t present and no vote. Apparently present is used in the calculation of percentage (in trying to determine the degree of the majority) no votes aren't.

[redmanjp]

^ u know Hillary called her a Russian asset? of course she also called Jill Stein the same thing so I doh know if anyone taking that seriously

[sMASH]

I think the biggest reason Trump wins so easily in 2020 is not due to this impeachment nonsense or russia gate nonsense, but because the voting public clearly sees that the Dems are more occupied with showing people how obsessed they are with power rather than actually fixing the issues of the middle class.

I think people now are much smarter than to vote based on bacchanal, which is the ticket the dems are running on. Half of their election portfolio is giving rights to LGBTQ and those sort of things, the dems are more concerned with LGBTQ nonsense than they are with creating jobs for people. Right now unemployment is at a record low under Trump and he stands up to China where as the Dems sell out the American people to China, this here is a big difference.

I believe by now people have moved past political bacchanal and are voting for a candidate and or party which will benefit the people the most. Which is why Trump still has more support than the dems and will continue to do so regardless of all the retarded sh!t he does do.

Trump's popularity and the fact that he won an election given all his flaws just shows what a massive pile of goat sh!t the Dems have be come as a party. How shitty does one have to be to lose against someone like Trump? then blame it on Russia, LMFAO

You start off saying "trump is so great" and then end up by saying "allyuh lose to a shiddong like Trump?" I'm not sure if to take you seriously anymore or assume you're Trini's Trevor Noah.

which is it?

trump did win the election, he became president. a lot of people things he a buffoon. but sending the vote to the senate and to get the dems defeated by him AGAIN, that woudl not look too good. ( trump is an idiot, and dems cant get a win on him, so what does that make them?)
but dems chose that route when they chose those ways to pursue impeachment.
there were other things to impeach on, but they dont want to set the president as they would be open to those same grounds.

[Redman]

Tulsi voted 'present' at last night's impeachment vote instead of yes or no

For which she is getting lots of stick today.

My wife was asking about the difference b/t present and no vote. Apparently present is used in the calculation of percentage (in trying to determine the degree of the majority) no votes aren't.

But Tulsi telegraphed her lack of support for the impeachment vote a while ago-and her reasons seem logical.

Trump is not stupid.

He has a good shot at winning again for the same reason he won the last election.

Being "Pro America and to ass with everyone else" is ringing a bell with those that believe that the past administrations have allowed USA dominance to weaken..... ant that demographic is a tough nut for the high society Dems to penetrate.

The alternatives are weak-and at this point cannibalizing each other.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

Just imagine the highlight of a dnc debate to vote for best candidate had idiots like mr potato head speaking Spanish to appeal to Mexican voters

Imagine if Kamla was speaking Spanish, even them drunk Indian from penal would be cussing she, it no different to Americans

[sMASH]

https://www.rt.com/usa/476441-house-app ... 1nmEVd5rCo

House approves Trump's flagship US- Mexico trade deal, day after impeachment vote
19 Dec, 2019 21:25 / Updated 58 seconds ago
House approves Trump's flagship US- Mexico trade deal, day after impeachment vote

The US House of Representatives has given the green light to a trade deal between the US, Canada and Mexico that would replace NAFTA, known as the USMCA, passing the bill on to the Senate for another vote.

Сhanging NAFTA, the agreement that regulates trade between the neighbors, was one of President Donald Trump election campaign promises.

The sweeping trade deal was passed in the House on Thursday 385-41 and is set for a Senate vote sometime after the new year. If signed into law, the deal would establish new rules for commerce between the three countries, supplanting the longstanding North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA.

[The_Honourable]

Thought Democrats in the house did vote to impeach Trump, according to Harvard professor and Democratic Witness Noah Feldman, impeachment is not official until the articles of impeachment are transmitted to the Senate and Democrats appoint managers to prosecute the impeachment.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

LOL they can't impeach Trump, that would make him a martyr and Democrats would never win another election. There are no real grounds to impeach him on, what you see is mostly smoke and mirrors so that they can expand the war in the middle east.

Democrats are in this together with Republicans, the aim of all this is money and nothing else even Trevor Noah recently admitted that Obama was a pile of War Mongering piece of sh!t along with bush and clinton, there are only a handful of VERY few genuine and honest people in US politics and the only 3 that comes to mind is Tulsi, Bernie and Andrew Yang none of which will ever make it president. The liberal media will make damn sure this never happens since MSNBC and CNN etc work for the military industrial complex check how much bribe money the military contractors pay to these big news networks.

[sMASH]

LOL they can't impeach Trump, that would make him a martyr and Democrats would never win another election. There are no real grounds to impeach him on, what you see is mostly smoke and mirrors so that they can expand the war in the middle east.

Democrats are in this together with Republicans, the aim of all this is money and nothing else even Trevor Noah recently admitted that Obama was a pile of War Mongering piece of sh!t along with bush and clinton, there are only a handful of VERY few genuine and honest people in US politics and the only 3 that comes to mind is Tulsi, Bernie and Andrew Yang none of which will ever make it president. The liberal media will make damn sure this never happens since MSNBC and CNN etc work for the military industrial complex check how much bribe money the military contractors pay to these big news networks.

they will send the articles, or what ever it is, to the senate. just waiting on some good timing. but it will fail, and then anti dems will hunker down and stick with him. some slight dems will shy away,

that is why in the past impeachment was cautioned to only be used where there is clear majority, and not no split vote thing.

biden is falling apart, he had his best night thursday night, but still didnt look good. warren she is not improving. her points are just not good enough, not as good as yang's or bernie's. and thats it. there is no one else in the dems. the establishment can try to prop biden or warren, but they will not get support from the voting dems, only really from the super delegates.
i think u woudl see the popular vote going to bernie and the superdelgates going to biden/warren. hopefully it woudl be enough to get it done.

once bernie is the dem delegate, trump going down. blue collar conservatives, just waiting to vote for bernie. is just the dems dont want to spoil their corporate meal tickets.

[Redman]

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[MaxPower]

Allyuh sit there and feel Trump isnt a step ahead..

He knows exactly what he is doing.

[De Dragon]

LOL they can't impeach Trump, that would make him a martyr and Democrats would never win another election. There are no real grounds to impeach him on, what you see is mostly smoke and mirrors so that they can expand the war in the middle east.

Democrats are in this together with Republicans, the aim of all this is money and nothing else even Trevor Noah recently admitted that Obama was a pile of War Mongering piece of sh!t along with bush and clinton, there are only a handful of VERY few genuine and honest people in US politics and the only 3 that comes to mind is Tulsi, Bernie and Andrew Yang none of which will ever make it president. The liberal media will make damn sure this never happens since MSNBC and CNN etc work for the military industrial complex check how much bribe money the military contractors pay to these big news networks.

Based on your bipolar post, you clearly you have very little appreciation for how complex US politics are. Then again you look like the kind who would copy these kinda asinine posts and go to the US Embassy hoping for a visa.

[Redman]

Trump son on his own show on the Outdoor channel....key demographic

[FrankChag]

LOL they can't impeach Trump, that would make him a martyr and Democrats would never win another election. There are no real grounds to impeach him on, what you see is mostly smoke and mirrors so that they can expand the war in the middle east.

Democrats are in this together with Republicans, the aim of all this is money and nothing else even Trevor Noah recently admitted that Obama was a pile of War Mongering piece of sh!t along with bush and clinton, there are only a handful of VERY few genuine and honest people in US politics and the only 3 that comes to mind is Tulsi, Bernie and Andrew Yang none of which will ever make it president. The liberal media will make damn sure this never happens since MSNBC and CNN etc work for the military industrial complex check how much bribe money the military contractors pay to these big news networks.

I think what you mean is they won't impeach him in the Senate, because he's already impeached by the House of Reps. They (the republicans generally) most likely won't impeach him in the Senate because at this point, they're all culpable in some way... Pence, Pompeo, Mulvaney, Ric Perry (Ukraine coverup, etc), Mnuchin (IRS coverup, etc), Barr (multiple coverups), (Moscow)Mitch, Graham, Kennedy, etc. ... it's a literal 'escalation of commitment'.. in it for a penny in for a pound.. so if trump goes down, the whole party literally falls like a deck of cards. Worse, if trump is impeached in the Senate, he becomes indictable for some of the other stuff that Mueller found (Mueller couldn't charge him, because you can't charge a sitting president), but if he were to be impeached in the Senate, all that goes out the door (unless Pence pardon's him, which is another issue (for Pence, and the Dems)).

Worse, if Pence is culpable along with Trump, then guess who's the next in line for President?... Pelosi.. So no way are they going to risk that, because if Pelosi takes the reigns, all their gooses are smoked, steam cooked and bbq'ed.

I think what you're also trying to say is that Wall Street has a significant influence on both parties' candidates, and also on traditional news media outlets (like MSNBC, CNN, etc). There is a significant bias in outlets like MSNBC (in particular) against progressive dems like Sanders (who full disclosure, I support)... they would rather a 'centrist' like (creepy) Joe Biden, Pete or their latest punt Bloomberg be president, and some dem voters may, unfortunately, be swayed by that.

But IMHO if the US is to get out of the mess that is the present Rep party, they will need a clean-slate sweep cloraxing by a Dem ticket like Sanders/Warren or Sanders/Booker or even Sanders/Klobuchar. Candidates like Biden, Bloomberg, etc, and even Buttigieg are false choices (ie, basically Republican-lite, manchurian-ish Wallstreet stooges), and should be kicked out by the voters. [We won't even get into the foolish Tusli Gabbard, who has no hope anyway, bc of her dumb 'present' impeachment vote]

I think the point you're making also was that Obama was basically a republican-lite, which is only partially true.. he had issues but was the President that the US needed after 8 yrs of standard-2-level Bush-tard.. to bring some type of normality back to the office of the president.. and God forbid Hilary got elected as the dem candidate instead of obama.. that would have been the worst (like you think trump is bad.. the US dodged a bullet by not electing another Clinton).

Unfortunately though, this is the present-day US.. with all the gerrymandering and media biases dazzling the average gogo-eyed US voter, Biden will most likely win the dem candidacy, and bc he's a fumbling idiot, lose to trump in November. So brace yourselves.

[FrankChag]

PS, for any who feel that impeachment in the House is a light matter should consider that when the House of Representatives impeaches a President, it means that he is "impeached by the people", and is a major stain on his/her reputation: the House of Reps is equated to the voice of the people, as opposed to the Senate, who are also elected, but based more on land ownership in the individual states. The process in the Senate is the actual Trial to remove him from office (and ban him from holding any future government office), which is chaired by the CJ. So even now, as much as the trump and his republican cronies would want to dimish it, impeachment by Congress (House of Reps) is a big embarrassment; this will be trump's legacy, and he hates it, as much as he denies it, or tries to crawl out of it.

[maj. tom]

Wait for November 2020 and see if any of what you said is true. There is no doubt that Trump will be in the White House until Jan 2025. This impeachment has just gained Trump more support by his voter base than ever.

I not sure if you living on Earth in 2019. You're a time traveler from 1961?

[De Dragon]

Wait for November 2020 and see if any of what you said is true. There is no doubt that Trump will be in the White House until Jan 2025. This impeachment has just gained Trump more support by his voter base than ever.

I not sure if you living on Earth in 2019. You're a time traveler from 1961?

What it shows is that a base will look the other way, once their man is in the W.H. impeachment or not. Bill Clinton's support soared after his impeachment, and while Trump's will remain flat, it will be enough as in 2016 to carry him through another election. Even evangelicals are now openly admitting to his immoral and unethical character, while in the same breath realizing that he is their greatest hope in their fight against abortion, same sex marriage, and Israel land grabbing in the Middle East. Both sides are using each other in spite of their ideological differences.