Flow
Flow
Flow
TriniTuner.com  |  Latest Event:  

Forums

ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

this is how we do it.......

Moderator: 3ne2nr Mods

User avatar
UML
Trying to catch PATCH AND VEGA
Posts: 6575
Joined: April 9th, 2007, 11:08 pm

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby UML » May 18th, 2010, 10:24 pm

Sully wrote:UML, I don't think that you have or understand what it takes to drill a well, especially an exploration well. You need to do a little more research before you just start assigning blame.


it is so easy to discredit someone or their point of view without evidence or a point :roll:

i agree i dont have the knowledge or experience of drilling.....but i do know OSH and OSH requirements,standards are more or less worldwide....that my fren is what I am basing my argument on....and that it the most important aspect in accident investigation....so that is the aspect that will sink (no pun intended) BP :wink:

geodude wrote:i had posted this in the other thread about this incident

have been waiting for the blame game to start, this one is kind of tricky, but Halliburton in the clear, they were as they say following orders, if it can be proved that the cement which was used for the cementing job did not conform to the properties agreeded upon ,then they may have a case againt them.

Oddly enough there is no mention of the third party that was responsible for verifing the status of the BOP, was their testing proceedures should come into question, it is much more relavent at this time as i am sure they have numerous jobs else where in the industry, and their methods of evaluation along with the components of analysis should all be reviewed,


I didnt read the whole msg because the answer was right at the beginning. So no THIRD PARTY...No HALIBURTON....so we have BP and Transocean.....my probability started looking better right there...dont u agree?!! :wink: (and just tuh grind yuh....I very rarely wrong :mrgreen: )cement conformance and testing of equipment has to be ensured by BP.....with reports or however...they have the overall responsibility.

The only reason I could see Transocean taking the blame is because their business will sufffer if they lose BP contracts....but then that is far fetched

i guess we will have to wait and see :twisted:

User avatar
geodude
Riding on 18's
Posts: 1770
Joined: February 21st, 2009, 1:22 am
Location: Hiding from the Chuna spelling police
Contact:

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby geodude » May 18th, 2010, 10:30 pm

i looking for a new work right now, i bored :D

User avatar
geodude
Riding on 18's
Posts: 1770
Joined: February 21st, 2009, 1:22 am
Location: Hiding from the Chuna spelling police
Contact:

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby geodude » May 20th, 2010, 8:26 pm

UML wrote:
I didnt read the whole msg because the answer was right at the beginning. So no THIRD PARTY...No HALIBURTON....so we have BP and Transocean.....my probability started looking better right there...dont u agree?!! :wink: (and just tuh grind yuh....I very rarely wrong :mrgreen: )cement conformance and testing of equipment has to be ensured by BP.....with reports or however...they have the overall responsibility.

The only reason I could see Transocean taking the blame is because their business will sufffer if they lose BP contracts....but then that is far fetched

i guess we will have to wait and see :twisted:


extremely selective reading i see, lol
man i was was saying that these is another third party involved apart form Haliburton which i believe is extremely relevant.

and futher more i don't see why this is has to be soley BP's responsibiltiy in the first place, read the entire thing man.

cement conformance and testing of equipment has to be ensured by BP


dude testing of the cement plug is a routine act on all drilling jobs but they were not at that stage of the operation, and no one sends a chemeist over to the labs to verify the cement is actually what it is supposed to be, they basically simulate the down hole conditions on the rig using a heated water bath with a sample of the cement to give and estimate of the time necessary to wait on cement (WOC)

on another note i see Transocean has let their Sr. VP of HR go this week not sure if its related there is not much info abouit it online though. see here

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release ... 261866.htm

drunk24-7
Street 2NR
Posts: 63
Joined: November 7th, 2006, 9:35 am
Location: Behind the Screen....

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby drunk24-7 » May 23rd, 2010, 9:56 am

geodude, rainman, hornchile, joshi69, jacktheripper et al, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't there suppoused to have regular BOP testing on rigs? Isn't there suppoused to have documented records showing who did what and when it was done? Finally, isn't the BOP stack usually placed on the seabed for ultra deep water drilling? The rig burnt and sank, so shouldn't the BOP have failed shut, preventing the flow from reaching surface? Some one mentioned that that the BOP's worked the week before, but failed when the disaster occured. BP selects drilling contractors based on an intensive tendering process and individual evaluation. Of course, safety has a main stand point, as can be documented in their records and QHSSE system. Its not just pulling a name out of a hat, but a lot of standards have to be met. Because of this, BP can put full accountability on Transocean for failed their failed system. I highly doubt that any other service companies will be able to share blame, as BP has strick Quality Assurance Systems with regards to anything that is put in their holes. For instance, Packers need to be part of a quality plan tracing back to their part components starting at the foundry , to machine shop and moving forward to its positioning on depth. Once it doesn't PAR up, it doesn't go in. Compromise are a rareity.

Well at least thats how the picture paints itself to me.

Rainman, the mere fact that Transocean is also investigating another BOP failure somewhere in the ASIA geomarket, can also serve to reinforce the fact that there might be loopholes in their safety ratings and such...1 isolated incident will raise some eyebrows, another SIMILAR type, i'm pretty sure that its gonna raise a lot of concern....

Discuss.....

User avatar
sMASH
TunerGod
Posts: 25649
Joined: January 11th, 2005, 4:30 am

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby sMASH » May 23rd, 2010, 1:58 pm

defend the environment from money hungry corporations... clean it up and charge all of them.
halliburton for the concrete flaws, transocean for the failed BOV, and bp for accepting it.

time they realize that they usually play the blame game when their crap happens and the environment suffering. may be they should learn that if they do business with people who encourage sub standard practices, encourage it by association

the actual fault should not take priority over destruction of the environment and activities which may result in that.

let them burn to learn to do better, be better

User avatar
Mudboy
3NE2NR is my LIFE
Posts: 763
Joined: March 25th, 2005, 7:25 am
Location: Fixing the 280zx

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby Mudboy » May 23rd, 2010, 9:59 pm

What happens on de rig...stays on de rig.........

User avatar
wagonrunner
TriniTuner 24-7
Posts: 13548
Joined: May 18th, 2004, 9:38 am
Location: Distancing myself from those who want to raid the barn but eh want to plant the corn.
Contact:

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby wagonrunner » May 23rd, 2010, 10:06 pm

Mudboy wrote:What happens on de rig...stays on de rig.........

ahaahahhahahha.
no further comment on that. :lol:

what i found entertaining was, days later, Schlumberger suddenly recalled they had personnel on the rig, who left a bit before the blowout.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37245242

User avatar
Dragular
3NE 2NR for life
Posts: 214
Joined: July 26th, 2006, 12:13 am
Contact:

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby Dragular » May 23rd, 2010, 11:23 pm

Mudboy wrote:What happens on de rig...stays on de rig.........


interesting you say that because, what about our rigs here in T&T. Are enough checks and balances done to prevent these disasters?
Are they truthful about what really goes on?
Last edited by Dragular on May 24th, 2010, 5:06 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Sully
TriniTuner 24-7
Posts: 7554
Joined: April 21st, 2003, 8:58 am
Contact:

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby Sully » May 25th, 2010, 12:13 pm

Dragular wrote:
Mudboy wrote:What happens on de rig...stays on de rig.........


interesting you say that because, what about our rigs here in T&T. Are enough checks and balances done to prevent these disasters?
Are they truthful about what really goes on?


That depends on the operator.

evo-STI-k

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby evo-STI-k » May 25th, 2010, 12:28 pm

OIL is still Spilling into tthe oceans!

User avatar
SUPAstarr
punchin NOS
Posts: 3074
Joined: January 31st, 2005, 12:46 pm
Location: STAMINA STAMINA STAMINA STAMINA
Contact:

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby SUPAstarr » May 25th, 2010, 12:30 pm

look who wake up from rienzi after party

User avatar
teems1
punchin NOS
Posts: 3448
Joined: March 15th, 2007, 4:44 pm

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby teems1 » May 30th, 2010, 12:08 am

Apparently operation Top Kill failed, and the spill is still polluting the US Gulf at an alarming rate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and ... 191622.stm

i vote to nuke that bastard!!

User avatar
geodude
Riding on 18's
Posts: 1770
Joined: February 21st, 2009, 1:22 am
Location: Hiding from the Chuna spelling police
Contact:

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby geodude » May 30th, 2010, 12:41 am

^^^^^in the article they say "At least 12,000 barrels (504,000 gallons) are leaking into the Gulf every day."
that cannot be right i don't even think its possible, i might be wrong here but i seriously doubt that figure.

anyone care to speculate on the wells's flow rate?

User avatar
UML
Trying to catch PATCH AND VEGA
Posts: 6575
Joined: April 9th, 2007, 11:08 pm

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby UML » May 30th, 2010, 9:22 am


User avatar
UML
Trying to catch PATCH AND VEGA
Posts: 6575
Joined: April 9th, 2007, 11:08 pm

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby UML » June 1st, 2010, 1:29 am

geodude wrote:^^^^^in the article they say "At least 12,000 barrels (504,000 gallons) are leaking into the Gulf every day."
that cannot be right i don't even think its possible, i might be wrong here but i seriously doubt that figure.

anyone care to speculate on the wells's flow rate?


UML wrote:http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_interne ... tream.html


how dat looking for speculation/confirmation?!!!


http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id= ... dy;housing

so i guess I WAS RIGHT AGAIN....GO FIGURE!!! :roll:

see what the PROFESSOR said BP is to BLAME.....yuh see what the ENGINEER said..the one that worked for SHELL......BP SUPPSED TUH OVERLOOK THE BLUEPRINTS!!!

but these BIG companies continue hiring based on EXPERIENCE rather than EDUCATION!!!

so fellas like GEODUDE...cud have 20 years experience ..DOING THE WRONG THING....and uml have one month education doing the RIGHT thing and still dey go hire GEODUDE!!!!

hope now they appreciate education as much as experience!!!! or they wud have more to add to their RECORDSSSS!!!!

Ent BP wanter tuh show Transocean who's d boss?!!...well let the boss take the FIRE...literally!!!

User avatar
SUPAstarr
punchin NOS
Posts: 3074
Joined: January 31st, 2005, 12:46 pm
Location: STAMINA STAMINA STAMINA STAMINA
Contact:

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby SUPAstarr » June 1st, 2010, 8:22 am

well i guess everything commin down on BP now, will make thins very different for future drilling

User avatar
wagonrunner
TriniTuner 24-7
Posts: 13548
Joined: May 18th, 2004, 9:38 am
Location: Distancing myself from those who want to raid the barn but eh want to plant the corn.
Contact:

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby wagonrunner » June 2nd, 2010, 11:40 am

Image

User avatar
noshownogo
punchin NOS
Posts: 4379
Joined: January 6th, 2004, 11:51 am
Location: heavy petting!
Contact:

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby noshownogo » June 2nd, 2010, 11:55 am

Based on what i read so far, senior management of BP visited the Transocean platform a couple times prior to the catastrophe. A survivor gave his account leading up to the night of the incident to the US Congress, stating that much pressure was given to staff to speed up the process as BP were always more concerned with cost overruns, which were already occurring, versus procedure and professional recommendation.

Signs of potential complications came very early on the Deep Water Horizon project, with tool failures, unknown territory and exploration challenges and conflict of interest between teams became apparent.

From the first hand witness account I read, it seemed to put the majority of responsibility on BP.

User avatar
crazybalhead
TriniTuner 24-7
Posts: 10950
Joined: April 21st, 2003, 9:41 am

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby crazybalhead » June 2nd, 2010, 11:59 am

with tool failures, unknown territory and exploration challenges

This doh have nothing tuh do with the riser and BOP.

RMSTTL
Street 2NR
Posts: 74
Joined: February 7th, 2005, 2:41 am
Location: POS
Contact:

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby RMSTTL » June 3rd, 2010, 2:43 am

Smoking Gun in BP's Deep Horizon Mess

Submitted by BassMan2 on 15. May 2010 - 11:31
Thom's nationally syndicated radio show

This hasn't seemed to have gotten much circulation yet, and I think it really needs to. Seems that a crew from Schlumberger, on contract to BP, hightailed it off the platform at their own expense 6 hours before the blowout becuase BP refused their recommendation to shut down the well. This lends more credence to Thom's suggestion that corners were cut because the bigwigs were coming for a vist.

"BP contracted Schlumberger (SLB) to run the Cement Bond Log (CBL) test that was the final test on the plug that was skipped. The people testifying have been very coy about mentioning this, and you’ll see why.

SLB is an extremely highly regarded (and incredibly expensive) service company. They place a high standard on safety and train their workers to shut down unsafe operations.

SLB gets out to the Deepwater Horizon to run the CBL, and they find the well still kicking heavily, which it should not be that late in the operation. SLB orders the “company man” (BP’s man on the scene that runs the operation) to dump kill fluid down the well and shut-in the well. The company man refuses. SLB in the very next sentence asks for a helo to take all SLB personel back to shore. The company man says there are no more helo’s scheduled for the rest of the week (translation: you’re here to do a job, now do it). SLB gets on the horn to shore, calls SLB’s corporate HQ, and gets a helo flown out there at SLB’s expense and takes all SLB personel to shore.

6 hours later, the platform explodes."

More at: http://adropofrain.net/2010/05/rumor-sc ... izon-hou...

User avatar
drunkenscorpion
Chronic TriniTuner
Posts: 669
Joined: June 28th, 2007, 1:41 pm
Location: Right here.....

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby drunkenscorpion » June 3rd, 2010, 3:15 am

I see a movie in the making.....

User avatar
wagonrunner
TriniTuner 24-7
Posts: 13548
Joined: May 18th, 2004, 9:38 am
Location: Distancing myself from those who want to raid the barn but eh want to plant the corn.
Contact:

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby wagonrunner » June 3rd, 2010, 4:36 am

that explains why they (shclum) "suddenly remembered they were there"

User avatar
UML
Trying to catch PATCH AND VEGA
Posts: 6575
Joined: April 9th, 2007, 11:08 pm

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby UML » June 7th, 2010, 7:57 pm

Bhopal is a good example of what managers face for these catastrophes....JAIL!!!

dont drop the soap BP managers :mrgreen:

User avatar
UML
Trying to catch PATCH AND VEGA
Posts: 6575
Joined: April 9th, 2007, 11:08 pm

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby UML » June 7th, 2010, 9:25 pm

BP say they would get over the oil spill in a year

...yeah right!!!

just want to remind you on how our health will be affected in the FUTURE

Image

User avatar
SUPAstarr
punchin NOS
Posts: 3074
Joined: January 31st, 2005, 12:46 pm
Location: STAMINA STAMINA STAMINA STAMINA
Contact:

Re: ENERGY TUNERS - Who do you blame......

Postby SUPAstarr » June 9th, 2010, 10:33 am

Mouth open Files Buss out


(CNN) -- The morning the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded, a BP executive and a Transocean official argued over how to proceed with the drilling, rig survivors told CNN's Anderson Cooper in an exclusive interview.
The survivors' account paints perhaps the most detailed picture yet of what happened on the deepwater rig -- and the possible causes of the April 20 explosion.
The BP official wanted workers to replace heavy mud, used to keep the well's pressure down, with lighter seawater to help speed a process that was costing an estimated $750,000 a day and was already running five weeks late, rig survivors told CNN.
BP won the argument, said Doug Brown, the rig's chief mechanic. "He basically said, 'Well, this is how it's gonna be.' "
"That's what the big argument was about," added Daniel Barron III.
Shortly after the exchange, chief driller Dewey Revette expressed concern and opposition too, the workers said, and on the drilling floor, they chatted among themselves.
"I don't ever remember doing this," they said, according to Barron.
"I think that's why Dewey was so reluctant to try to do it," Barron said, "because he didn't feel it was the right way to have things done."
Video: Survivors of oil rig explosion speak Video: Attorney: BP's 'conduct is criminal' Video: 'I want my brother's life back' Video: Oil spill from year 1910 still visible
Tracking the spill
Revette was among the 11 workers killed when the rig exploded that night.
In the CNN interviews, the workers described a corporate culture of cutting staff and ignoring warning signs ahead of the blast. They said BP routinely cut corners and pushed ahead despite concerns about safety.
The rig survivors also said it was always understood that you could get fired if you raised safety concerns that might delay drilling. Some co-workers had been fired for speaking out, they said.
It can cost up to $1 million a day to operate a deepwater rig, according to industry experts.
Safety was "almost used as a crutch by the company," Barron said. He said he was once scolded for standing on a bucket on the rig, yet the next day, Transocean ordered a crane to continue operating amid high winds, against its own policies. "It's like they used it against us -- the safety policies -- you know, to their advantage.
"I don't think there was ever a plan set in place, because no one ever thought this was gonna ever happen," he added.
BP spokesman Robert Wine would not comment on specific allegations, saying the company has to "wait for the investigations to be completed. We can't prejudge them."
"BP's priority is always safety," he said.
Transocean, the world's largest offshore drilling contractor, said its top priority is safety.
"There is no scenario or circumstance under which it will be compromised," the company said in a written statement. "So critical is safety at Transocean that every crew member has stop-work authority, a real-time method by which all work is halted should any employee suspect an unsafe situation or operation."
In Washington on Tuesday, Rep. Nick Rahall, the chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee, sought more answers. In a letter to Steven Newman, CEO of Transocean, Rahall said records from the rig indicate 18 people at work on the second shift with "zero engineers, electricians, mechanics or subsea supervisors" on duty the night of the explosion.
Rahall added that payroll records show 20 crewmen, including seven of the 11 men who died, had worked a 24-hour shift six days before the explosion. Rig workers typically work 12-hour days.
"Although these reports do not provide a complete picture of who exactly was working during the time of the explosion and in the days leading up to it, when combined with the ongoing BP internal investigation that suggests that inattentiveness may have been a contributing factor in the disaster, I have serious questions about whether enough people were working on the night of April 20 to adequately handle the complex operations that were being performed, or if crew fatigue caused by extended shifts may have played a role," wrote Rahall, D-West Virginia, the chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee.
Rahall called on the company to give his committee more detailed logs and a further explanation of its staffing -- a request Transocean said it would meet.
But Transocean said no worker put in a 24-hour day, and the documents Rahall cited didn't tell the whole picture. Daily drilling reports track operations and "certain personnel," it said, "but does not use them to catalog complete crew shifts or the actual hours worked by each crewmember."
"At the time of the accident, the Deepwater Horizon and its crew had compiled seven consecutive years of operations without a single lost-time safety incident," the company said in a written statement. "The vessel was properly and professionally manned; there was no shortage of technical expertise, nor did any crewmember work a 24-hour shift."
CNN was given access to individual time sheets that appear to back up Transocean's claim that no employees worked 24-hour shifts on April 14, six days before the explosion that eventually sank the rig.
Other documents reviewed by CNN seem to indicate that additional salaried workers may have been on the job that don't show up on time sheets, possibly refuting the committee's claim the rig was shortstaffed on April 20.
The rig workers have filed a negligence suit against BP, Transocean, oil field services contractor Halliburton and other companies involved with the deepwater rig.
"I've seen gross negligence, and this conduct is criminal," said Steve Gordon, the lawyer representing the men. "There's a crime scene sitting 5,000 feet below the water."
Brown, the rig's mechanic, had traveled with the rig from South Korea, where it was made nearly a decade ago. He had seen the mechanical crew get downsized over the years. Yet as the rig aged, the engines began having more problems.
"It became overwhelming," he said. "We couldn't keep up with the flow of it. ... We constantly over the years kept telling them, 'Hey, we need more help back here.'
"They pretty much just said, 'Well, we'll look into it.' "
About nine months ago, Brown said, he got an additional first engineer, yet the crew was still overloaded with work.
Even more alarming, the rig survivors said, was the amount of resistance the well was giving them. "We had problems with it from the day we got on," Matthew Jacobs said.
There was always like an ominous feeling. This well did not want to be drilled.
--Rig survivor Daniel Barron III
RELATED TOPICS
Gulf Coast Oil Spill
BP plc
Offshore Drilling
Nearly every day, Jacobs said, "we had problems with that well."
Barron said it was like an eerie cloud hung over the well being dug 5,000 feet into the sea.
"There was always like an ominous feeling," he said. "This well did not want to be drilled. ... It just seemed like we were messing with Mother Nature."
At times, the drill got stuck. Many times, it "kicked," meaning gas was shooting back through the mud at an alarming rate.
"I've seen a lot of gas coming up from muds on different wells, and the highest I've ever seen in my 11 years was 1,500 units. And this well gave us 3,000," Brown said. "I've never been on a well with that high of gas coming out of the mud. That was kind of letting me know this well was something to be reckoned with."
It all came to a head at 9:56 p.m., when the first of three explosions rocked Deepwater Horizon, 52 miles southeast of Venice, Louisiana, with 126 people aboard. Tiles fell from the ceiling, walls collapsed, and people ran for their lives. It reminded Matt Jacobs of the movie "Titanic."
"It looked like you was looking at the face of death," he said. "You could hear it, see it, smell it."
He scrambled to the lifeboat deck. Jacobs had been trained to fight fires aboard the rig. But when he looked at the flames shooting 150 feet into the air, he knew there was nothing they could do. "There is no way we can put that fire out," he thought.
Jacobs hopped in a lifeboat. He screamed for co-workers to jump aboard. A second explosion rocked the rig. The lifeboat, still suspended in the air, went into a free fall of about 3 feet.
"Here I am on a lifeboat that's supposed to help me get off this rig," Jacobs thought. "And I'm gonna wind up dying."
He bowed his head and prayed.
Now, 50 days later, the survivors are telling their stories. It's become part of their everyday lives. They can't shake what happened that day, even when they close their eyes at night.
"It's like being in a neverending nightmare," Brown said. "You dream about it. You see it in your sleep. Then, we wake up in the morning, and we realize it's not a dream. It's real. ... It doesn't end for us."

Advertisement

Return to “Ole talk and more Ole talk”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], stev and 28 guests