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Phone Surgeon wrote:Putin really moving crazy.
Like he find out he have end stage cancer or something and decide to firetruck up the world before he die
Only reason I can think of is that America wants Ukraine for some reason.Dohplaydat wrote:Phone Surgeon wrote:Putin really moving crazy.
Like he find out he have end stage cancer or something and decide to firetruck up the world before he die
This war is such a backfire for Russia that I have to suspect they either knew this would happen and have a long-term contingency plan for something greater.
We know Russia and Putin want their Soviet borders back for reasons important to them. Russians are paranoid and deeply distrusting of everyone including themselves. They are also very smart, strategic and careful movers.
So for the life of me, I can't see how Putin would have thought acquiring Ukraine would help him. It's not helping him politically, and it's made his life much freaking harder by reinvigorating NATO.
The only thing I can fathom is that he knew he would win Ukraine (it's almost inevitable unless they agree to a ceasefire), and then wanted to use the sanctions to motivate Russians (who mostly support the war) to move to a militarized economy.....ala Germany in the 30s.
Having Ukraine under Russia control helps their defense tremendously as well.
Russians can quickly, despite sanctions, build a massive army bigger and better than NATO (excluding the US) and expand into Europe, taking back the Baltics and some other eastern European states.
Liz Truss mentioned this could very well become a 10-year war, and that would be a World War with the constant threat of Nuclear bombs.
The wildcard in all of this is China, who doesn't want a war unless it benefits them financially.
Those are my thoughts and I would of course be wrong about many things. I'm no geopolitics expert.
The Anonymous collective is officially in cyber war against the Russian government. #Anonymous #Ukraine
5:50 PM · Feb 24, 2022
hover11 wrote:Wow I really hope the same treatment such as sanctions is done when countries like America start wars for no reason. All the display of shame for Russia such as countries unwilling to play with them in world cup matches and products removed from shelves , let's keep that same energy or is it only because is Russia and nobody likes Putin
Seems to me is only America is allowed to do as I say and not as I dobluefete wrote:hover11 wrote:Wow I really hope the same treatment such as sanctions is done when countries like America start wars for no reason. All the display of shame for Russia such as countries unwilling to play with them in world cup matches and products removed from shelves , let's keep that same energy or is it only because is Russia and nobody likes Putin
America and Israel. It has been happening for years with little to no outcry.
Check the Vietnam War.
hover11 wrote:Wow I really hope the same treatment such as sanctions is done when countries like America start wars for no reason. All the display of shame for Russia such as countries unwilling to play with them in world cup matches and products removed from shelves , let's keep that same energy or is it only because is Russia and nobody likes Putin
… the treaty is a part of a much larger program by which we arm all these nations against Russia… A joint military program has already been made… It thus becomes an offensive and defensive military alliance against Russia. I believe our foreign policy should be aimed primarily at security and peace, and I believe such an alliance is more likely to produce war than peace.
Taft continued:
If we undertake to arm all the nations around Russia…and Russia sees itself ringed about gradually by so-called defensive arms from Norway and Denmark to Turkey and Greece, it may form a different opinion. It may decide that the arming of western Europe, regardless of its present purpose, looks to an attack upon Russia. Its view may be unreasonable, and I think it is. But from the Russian standpoint it may not seem unreasonable. They may well decide that if war is the certain result, that war might better occur now rather than after the arming of Europe is completed…
Redman wrote:Below is part of a speech given by a Republican senator in the vote on the establishment of NATO on 1949.
https://teachingamericanhistory.org/doc ... ic-treaty/… the treaty is a part of a much larger program by which we arm all these nations against Russia… A joint military program has already been made… It thus becomes an offensive and defensive military alliance against Russia. I believe our foreign policy should be aimed primarily at security and peace, and I believe such an alliance is more likely to produce war than peace.
Taft continued:
If we undertake to arm all the nations around Russia…and Russia sees itself ringed about gradually by so-called defensive arms from Norway and Denmark to Turkey and Greece, it may form a different opinion. It may decide that the arming of western Europe, regardless of its present purpose, looks to an attack upon Russia. Its view may be unreasonable, and I think it is. But from the Russian standpoint it may not seem unreasonable. They may well decide that if war is the certain result, that war might better occur now rather than after the arming of Europe is completed…
Since the fall of the USSR NATO has admitted many of not most of the former Soviet republics.
Russia is now almost encircled by countries who are part of an international organization that was formed to fight Russia.
Isn't that the sad truth.If that kind of situation was ever to arise, the only government minister in history that would have fought enemies was Dhanraj Singh.All the rest of them are/were a bunch of cowards.Plain talk bad manners.88sins wrote:So I see Ukraine has passed legislation to allow the government to arm the entire citizenry, allowing anyone willing to carry a weapon to protect themselves and defend their country from invaders to do so. Good on them.
This just goes to show, the people are the ones who have to defend themselves and their country, not only the enlisted military, but every willing and capable adult citizen. If ever this country were to face the threat of war, half the population dead, because these overdressed table thumping jackasses would NEVER be willing to arm the population, and even on the extremely off chance that they were, the military tere simply don't have what'd be required to do so.
Dizzy28 wrote:Redman wrote:Below is part of a speech given by a Republican senator in the vote on the establishment of NATO on 1949.
https://teachingamericanhistory.org/doc ... ic-treaty/… the treaty is a part of a much larger program by which we arm all these nations against Russia… A joint military program has already been made… It thus becomes an offensive and defensive military alliance against Russia. I believe our foreign policy should be aimed primarily at security and peace, and I believe such an alliance is more likely to produce war than peace.
Taft continued:
If we undertake to arm all the nations around Russia…and Russia sees itself ringed about gradually by so-called defensive arms from Norway and Denmark to Turkey and Greece, it may form a different opinion. It may decide that the arming of western Europe, regardless of its present purpose, looks to an attack upon Russia. Its view may be unreasonable, and I think it is. But from the Russian standpoint it may not seem unreasonable. They may well decide that if war is the certain result, that war might better occur now rather than after the arming of Europe is completed…
Since the fall of the USSR NATO has admitted many of not most of the former Soviet republics.
Russia is now almost encircled by countries who are part of an international organization that was formed to fight Russia.
Encircled you say??
Also there are 15 former Soviet Republic and only three are in NATO and by population its 3 of the 4 smallest countries (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania)
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