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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby adnj » February 28th, 2022, 4:54 am

UkrainIan soldier blew himself up on bridge to halt Russian advance


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Postby adnj » February 28th, 2022, 6:41 am

Ukrainian woman offers seeds to Russian soldiers so 'sunflowers grow when they die.'


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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Chimera » February 28th, 2022, 6:42 am

Putin really moving crazy.


Like he find out he have end stage cancer or something and decide to firetruck up the world before he die

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Postby adnj » February 28th, 2022, 6:48 am

BP exit opens new front in West's campaign against Russia

Ron Bousso and Nerijus Adomaitis
February 27, 2022

(Reuters) - BP opened a new front in the West's campaign to isolate Russia's economy by deciding to exit its Russian oil and gas investments, the most aggressive move yet by a company in response to Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.

Western allies have ramped up efforts to punish Russia by closing airspace to Russian aircraft, shutting out some banks from the SWIFT financial network and limiting Moscow's ability to deploy its $630 billion foreign reserves, all measures that are expected to hammer the economy.

The rouble plunged as much as 30% to an all-time low against the dollar on Monday, prompting the central bank to more than double its key interest rate to 20% to prop it up.

BP, Russia's biggest foreign investor, said it was abandoning its stake in state controlled energy firm Rosneft at a cost of up to $25 billion, cutting the British company's oil and gas reserves in half.

The move puts a spotlight on other Western firms with operations in Russia, including BP's rivals such as France's TotalEnergies and Britain's Shell, amid pressure from governments to tighten the financial screws on Moscow after it launched the biggest assault on a European country since World War Two.

Equinor, the energy firm majority owned by the Norwegian state, said on Monday it would start divesting its joint ventures in Russia. Norway's sovereign wealth fund, the world's largest, will also divest its Russian assets, worth around 25 billion Norwegian crowns ($2.8 billion).

Australia's sovereign wealth fund also said it planned to wind down its exposure to Russian-listed companies.

https://www.reuters.com/business/bp-exi ... 022-02-27/

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dohplaydat » February 28th, 2022, 7:28 am

Phone Surgeon wrote:Putin really moving crazy.


Like he find out he have end stage cancer or something and decide to firetruck up the world before he die


This war is such a backfire for Russia that I have to suspect they either knew this would happen and have a long-term contingency plan for something greater.

We know Russia and Putin want their Soviet borders back for reasons important to them. Russians are paranoid and deeply distrusting of everyone including themselves. They are also very smart, strategic and careful movers.

So for the life of me, I can't see how Putin would have thought acquiring Ukraine would help him. It's not helping him politically, and it's made his life much freaking harder by reinvigorating NATO.

The only thing I can fathom is that he knew he would win Ukraine (it's almost inevitable unless they agree to a ceasefire), and then wanted to use the sanctions to motivate Russians (who mostly support the war) to move to a militarized economy.....ala Germany in the 30s.

Having Ukraine under Russia control helps their defense tremendously as well.

Russians can quickly, despite sanctions, build a massive army bigger and better than NATO (excluding the US) and expand into Europe, taking back the Baltics and some other eastern European states.

Liz Truss mentioned this could very well become a 10-year war, and that would be a World War with the constant threat of Nuclear bombs.

The wildcard in all of this is China, who doesn't want a war unless it benefits them financially.

Those are my thoughts and I would of course be wrong about many things. I'm no geopolitics expert.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby timelapse » February 28th, 2022, 8:07 am

Dohplaydat wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:Putin really moving crazy.


Like he find out he have end stage cancer or something and decide to firetruck up the world before he die


This war is such a backfire for Russia that I have to suspect they either knew this would happen and have a long-term contingency plan for something greater.

We know Russia and Putin want their Soviet borders back for reasons important to them. Russians are paranoid and deeply distrusting of everyone including themselves. They are also very smart, strategic and careful movers.

So for the life of me, I can't see how Putin would have thought acquiring Ukraine would help him. It's not helping him politically, and it's made his life much freaking harder by reinvigorating NATO.

The only thing I can fathom is that he knew he would win Ukraine (it's almost inevitable unless they agree to a ceasefire), and then wanted to use the sanctions to motivate Russians (who mostly support the war) to move to a militarized economy.....ala Germany in the 30s.

Having Ukraine under Russia control helps their defense tremendously as well.

Russians can quickly, despite sanctions, build a massive army bigger and better than NATO (excluding the US) and expand into Europe, taking back the Baltics and some other eastern European states.

Liz Truss mentioned this could very well become a 10-year war, and that would be a World War with the constant threat of Nuclear bombs.

The wildcard in all of this is China, who doesn't want a war unless it benefits them financially.

Those are my thoughts and I would of course be wrong about many things. I'm no geopolitics expert.
Only reason I can think of is that America wants Ukraine for some reason.
A la Wikipedia
Ukraine produces and processes its own natural gas and petroleum. However, the country imports most of its energy supplies, and 80% of Ukraine's natural gas supplies are imported, mainly from Russia.
They need some democracy!!!

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby shogun » February 28th, 2022, 8:32 am

Well this one was a surprise.

Chinese banks restrict lending to Russia, dealing blow to Moscow

Two Chinese state-owned banks will restrict financing for Russian commodity purchases, suggesting there are limits to Beijing's support for Moscow as the Kremlin confronts severe economic sanctions over its attack of Ukraine.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/chi ... a-invasion

So China obeying sanctions? Doh tell me Putin might be the one to unite the rest of the world?

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby adnj » February 28th, 2022, 8:43 am

Belarus to host Russian nukes in major reversal of post-Soviet order

Belarus will reportedly allow Russia to position nuclear weapons in its country, a report stated Sunday night—which is early Monday morning in Eastern Europe.

Belarus, which is an ally to Russia and borders Ukraine to the northwest and Ukraine's NATO allies the other direction, has renounced its non-nuclear status and neutral status.

"Belarus will renounce its non-nuclear and neutral status, allowing Russia to place nuclear weapons on its territory, as a result of the referendum held today," the Kyiv Independent reported. "65.16% of [Belarus] citizens allegedly supported these constitutional amendments."

A new referendum Sunday in Belarus was approved that will allow Russia to use its neighbor as a launching pad for nuclear missiles. This comes as Russian and Belarusian forces completed joint training exercises prior to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

The referendum approves a new constitution in Belarus, which tosses an old Soviet-era policy of no nuclear weapons. Now, this means Belarus is lined up with Russia in what seems like a chest-thumping move to not only threaten Ukraine, but the other former states of the USSR.

https://www.newsweek.com/belarus-host-r ... er-1683072

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » February 28th, 2022, 8:49 am

Peace talks ongoing in what should be a ceasefire and Russia initiates indiscriminate shelling of Ukraine's 2nd largest city , Kharkiv.

The city is predominantly Russia speaking as well.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby MaxPower » February 28th, 2022, 8:57 am

Alot of countries choose not to have dealings with Russia and restrict certain things just so they won’t “look bad” to the rest of the world and fear other countries would shaft them as well.

Don’t feel if Putin ask for help that some countries won’t secretly help him.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby VexXx Dogg » February 28th, 2022, 11:08 am

"Putin might be winning battles, but he'll lose the war."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ia-ukraine

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby adnj » February 28th, 2022, 12:56 pm

48 cities witness mass protests from Russian citizens against the invasion of Ukraine | English News


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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby adnj » February 28th, 2022, 2:10 pm

Switzerland poised to freeze Russian assets, says president

It is “very probable” that neutral Switzerland will follow the European Union on Monday in sanctioning Russia and freezing Russian assets, according to Ignazio Cassis, who holds the rotating Swiss presidency this year.

Cassis, interviewed on Sunday on Swiss public television, RTS, said the seven-member government would meet on Monday and review recommendations by the finance and economics ministries.

Asked whether Switzerland, a major financial centre and commodities trading hub, would follow the EU in freezing Russian assets, he said: “It is very probable that the government will decide to do so tomorrow, but I cannot anticipate decisions not yet taken.”

Cassis said Switzerland’s neutrality must be preserved and it stood ready to offer its good offices for diplomacy if talks between Ukrainian and Russian officials on the Belarusian border do not succeed, for example by reaching an armistice.

“That does not prevent us from calling a spade a spade,” he said.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzerlan ... t/47386960

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby redmanjp » February 28th, 2022, 3:52 pm

https://twitter.com/YourAnonOne/status/1496965766435926039

The Anonymous collective is officially in cyber war against the Russian government. #Anonymous #Ukraine
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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Redman » February 28th, 2022, 3:54 pm

More importantly,
Which banks or institutions are OWED money by Russian entities?

Those debts will not be serviced.

How will that affect those institutions?

This type of contagion is worse than Omnicron on crack.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby hover11 » February 28th, 2022, 4:17 pm

Wow I really hope the same treatment such as sanctions is done when countries like America start wars for no reason. All the display of shame for Russia such as countries unwilling to play with them in world cup matches and products removed from shelves , let's keep that same energy or is it only because is Russia and nobody likes Putin

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby bluefete » February 28th, 2022, 4:19 pm

hover11 wrote:Wow I really hope the same treatment such as sanctions is done when countries like America start wars for no reason. All the display of shame for Russia such as countries unwilling to play with them in world cup matches and products removed from shelves , let's keep that same energy or is it only because is Russia and nobody likes Putin


America and Israel. It has been happening for years with little to no outcry.

Check the Vietnam War.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby hover11 » February 28th, 2022, 4:20 pm

bluefete wrote:
hover11 wrote:Wow I really hope the same treatment such as sanctions is done when countries like America start wars for no reason. All the display of shame for Russia such as countries unwilling to play with them in world cup matches and products removed from shelves , let's keep that same energy or is it only because is Russia and nobody likes Putin


America and Israel. It has been happening for years with little to no outcry.

Check the Vietnam War.
Seems to me is only America is allowed to do as I say and not as I do

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby i_code_and_stuff » February 28th, 2022, 4:35 pm

hover11 wrote:Wow I really hope the same treatment such as sanctions is done when countries like America start wars for no reason. All the display of shame for Russia such as countries unwilling to play with them in world cup matches and products removed from shelves , let's keep that same energy or is it only because is Russia and nobody likes Putin


It is largely because Putin is a senile dictator who is threatening the world with nuclear war if he doesn't get what he wants, which is not something the US has ever done with their invasions. Not that I'm defending what the US has done, but these situations are not the same.

The point is that we've come a long way. Sure, the middle east is a mess because of these two powers, but the world has been largely on a path of progress. To imply that you're willing to end all of that over not being able to take 1 country means that you deserve to be forever condemned and punished. It just sucks that the Russian people have to suffer for the actions of one man, but there is no other choice here

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Les Bain » February 28th, 2022, 5:11 pm

Putin is giving off the vibes Manning had leading to the grand rinse-out election. Only time will prove if that is true.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Redman » February 28th, 2022, 5:27 pm

Below is part of a speech given by a Republican senator in the vote on the establishment of NATO on 1949.

https://teachingamericanhistory.org/doc ... ic-treaty/


… the treaty is a part of a much larger program by which we arm all these nations against Russia… A joint military program has already been made… It thus becomes an offensive and defensive military alliance against Russia. I believe our foreign policy should be aimed primarily at security and peace, and I believe such an alliance is more likely to produce war than peace.
Taft continued:

If we undertake to arm all the nations around Russia…and Russia sees itself ringed about gradually by so-called defensive arms from Norway and Denmark to Turkey and Greece, it may form a different opinion. It may decide that the arming of western Europe, regardless of its present purpose, looks to an attack upon Russia. Its view may be unreasonable, and I think it is. But from the Russian standpoint it may not seem unreasonable. They may well decide that if war is the certain result, that war might better occur now rather than after the arming of Europe is completed…


Since the fall of the USSR NATO has admitted many of not most of the former Soviet republics.
Russia is now almost encircled by countries who are part of an international organization that was formed to fight Russia.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby paid_influencer » February 28th, 2022, 5:42 pm

NATO pushing for WW3 by sending arms, financing Ukrane and destroying the Russian economy

this will end well, lol

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Postby timelapse » February 28th, 2022, 6:13 pm

Time to brush up on my German

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Postby Dizzy28 » February 28th, 2022, 6:14 pm

Redman wrote:Below is part of a speech given by a Republican senator in the vote on the establishment of NATO on 1949.

https://teachingamericanhistory.org/doc ... ic-treaty/


… the treaty is a part of a much larger program by which we arm all these nations against Russia… A joint military program has already been made… It thus becomes an offensive and defensive military alliance against Russia. I believe our foreign policy should be aimed primarily at security and peace, and I believe such an alliance is more likely to produce war than peace.
Taft continued:

If we undertake to arm all the nations around Russia…and Russia sees itself ringed about gradually by so-called defensive arms from Norway and Denmark to Turkey and Greece, it may form a different opinion. It may decide that the arming of western Europe, regardless of its present purpose, looks to an attack upon Russia. Its view may be unreasonable, and I think it is. But from the Russian standpoint it may not seem unreasonable. They may well decide that if war is the certain result, that war might better occur now rather than after the arming of Europe is completed…


Since the fall of the USSR NATO has admitted many of not most of the former Soviet republics.
Russia is now almost encircled by countries who are part of an international organization that was formed to fight Russia.


Encircled you say??

Also there are 15 former Soviet Republic and only three are in NATO and by population its 3 of the 4 smallest countries (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania)

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby adnj » February 28th, 2022, 7:28 pm

Putin used deadly vacuum bomb today during strikes in Ukraine, ambassador says

Vladimir Putin has used a deadly vacuum bomb as part of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, an ambassador has claimed.

The Ukrainian ambassador to the US Oksana Markarova said on Monday the Kremlin had used the devastating bomb - which is banned by the Geneva convention - during air strikes.

"They used the vacuum bomb today, which is actually prohibited by the Geneva convention," Markarova said after briefing members of the U.S. Congress.

"The devastation that Russia is trying to inflict on Ukraine is large."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... m-26353172

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby 88sins » February 28th, 2022, 7:30 pm

So I see Ukraine has passed legislation to allow the government to arm the entire citizenry, allowing anyone willing to carry a weapon to protect themselves and defend their country from invaders to do so. Good on them.

This just goes to show, the people are the ones who have to defend themselves and their country, not only the enlisted military, but every willing and capable adult citizen. If ever this country were to face the threat of war, half the population dead, because these overdressed table thumping jackasses would NEVER be willing to arm the population, and even on the extremely off chance that they were, the military tere simply don't have what'd be required to do so.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby timelapse » February 28th, 2022, 7:44 pm

88sins wrote:So I see Ukraine has passed legislation to allow the government to arm the entire citizenry, allowing anyone willing to carry a weapon to protect themselves and defend their country from invaders to do so. Good on them.

This just goes to show, the people are the ones who have to defend themselves and their country, not only the enlisted military, but every willing and capable adult citizen. If ever this country were to face the threat of war, half the population dead, because these overdressed table thumping jackasses would NEVER be willing to arm the population, and even on the extremely off chance that they were, the military tere simply don't have what'd be required to do so.
Isn't that the sad truth.If that kind of situation was ever to arise, the only government minister in history that would have fought enemies was Dhanraj Singh.All the rest of them are/were a bunch of cowards.Plain talk bad manners.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Redman » February 28th, 2022, 8:52 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
Redman wrote:Below is part of a speech given by a Republican senator in the vote on the establishment of NATO on 1949.

https://teachingamericanhistory.org/doc ... ic-treaty/


… the treaty is a part of a much larger program by which we arm all these nations against Russia… A joint military program has already been made… It thus becomes an offensive and defensive military alliance against Russia. I believe our foreign policy should be aimed primarily at security and peace, and I believe such an alliance is more likely to produce war than peace.
Taft continued:

If we undertake to arm all the nations around Russia…and Russia sees itself ringed about gradually by so-called defensive arms from Norway and Denmark to Turkey and Greece, it may form a different opinion. It may decide that the arming of western Europe, regardless of its present purpose, looks to an attack upon Russia. Its view may be unreasonable, and I think it is. But from the Russian standpoint it may not seem unreasonable. They may well decide that if war is the certain result, that war might better occur now rather than after the arming of Europe is completed…


Since the fall of the USSR NATO has admitted many of not most of the former Soviet republics.
Russia is now almost encircled by countries who are part of an international organization that was formed to fight Russia.


Encircled you say??

Also there are 15 former Soviet Republic and only three are in NATO and by population its 3 of the 4 smallest countries (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania)

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I stand corrected?

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Warsaw Pact/USSR disappeared in the 80s.
Many if not all of the countries along the Western and South western borders of Russia have joined NATO.

Russia since the fall of the USSR has been stating that its security is being compromised by having NATO on its doorstep.

Given the German invasion and it's results during WW2 I see their point.

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