COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago (Local Updates & Discussions Only)

[redmanjp]

again no indication of vax status-and if we assume unvaxxed and in state quarantine why the need for contact tracing? unless he was vaxxed and out and about?

[hover11]

You notice the date Aug 8th and today is September 5th, why the disparity before informing the general public

again no indication of vax status-and if we assume unvaxxed and in state quarantine why the need for contact tracing? unless he was vaxxed and out and about?

[paid_influencer]

again no indication of vax status-and if we assume unvaxxed and in state quarantine why the need for contact tracing? unless he was vaxxed and out and about?

there's probably hundreds more like him out and about that they didn't catch. We have to assume Delta is already seeded to the population and is competing with Gamma right now.

yea it's all screwed up right now.

[paid_influencer]

The beauty of immune escape is that if a variant gets enough of it, it stops being a competition and all of that real estate opens up.

[redmanjp]

again no indication of vax status-and if we assume unvaxxed and in state quarantine why the need for contact tracing? unless he was vaxxed and out and about?

there's probably hundreds more like him out and about that they didn't catch. We have to assume Delta is already seeded to the population and is competing with Gamma right now.

yea it's all screwed up right now.

so its either he was out and about and those are the contacts or in state quarantine and the contacts are the other passengers on the plane

[hover11]

Process of elimination would leave the only option that he was out and about...as other passengers were not quarantined before and contact tracing was never done for delta cases in their previously released memos

again no indication of vax status-and if we assume unvaxxed and in state quarantine why the need for contact tracing? unless he was vaxxed and out and about?

there's probably hundreds more like him out and about that they didn't catch. We have to assume Delta is already seeded to the population and is competing with Gamma right now.

yea it's all screwed up right now.

so its either he was out and about and those are the contacts or in state quarantine and the contacts are the other passengers on the plane

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Anyone know what percentage of the population of Trinidad got vaccinated?

29.6% fully vaccinated

And partially vaccinated at 37.4%

#COVID Update Seot 5 2021:
• Tests: 315728 (+928)
• Cases: 45714 (+227)
• Active: 3904 (+7)
• Deaths: 1330 (+5)
• Recoveries: 40480 (+215)
• Partially Vaxxed: 521770 (+3972)
• Fully Vaxxed: 413096 (+1279)
• Mortality Rate: 2.9%
• Population Tested: 22.5%

[timelapse]

Epsom salt tea is better than any vaccine.But you have to drink it for at least three days

[drchaos]

COVID-19 surges in unvaccinated communities are sending more kids to the hospital

At least 452 children in the United States have died of COVID-19 since the pandemic began, a tiny fraction of the nearly 650,000 deaths nationwide. That lopsided tally has led many to downplay the pandemic’s toll on kids.

But two new studies issued Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention make clear that children have hardly received a free pass. And especially since the arrival of COVID-19 vaccines and the Delta variant, kids’ prospects rest largely on the decisions made by the adults who surround them.

When adults and eligible adolescents get vaccinated in large numbers, younger children are at greatly reduced risk of becoming seriously ill with COVID-19, the new reports show. Conversely, when few are willing to get the jab, the pediatric wings of hospitals will fill — as they did in COVID-19 hot spots across the country in mid-August.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2 ... ?_amp=true

How many of the 452 kids that died had serious comorbidities and how man did not have any comorbidities?
The article claims two new studies but these studies have serious limitations that even the authors list. Example from one of the quoted studies.

"The findings in this report are subject to at least five limitations. First, children and adolescents meeting COVID-NET criteria with a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result might have been hospitalized primarily for reasons other than COVID-19 (2), resulting in potential overestimations of hospitalization rates. Second, COVID-19–associated hospitalizations might have been missed because of testing practices and test availability. Third, the number of hospitalized children with severe outcomes was small during June 20–July 31, 2021, limiting comparisons between periods before and during Delta variant predominance. Fourth, the number of fully vaccinated hospitalized adolescents remained low at the time of reporting, and hospitalization rates stratified by vaccination status are subject to error if misclassification of vaccination status occurred. Finally, the COVID-NET catchment areas include approximately 10% of the U.S. population; thus, findings might not be nationally generalizable."

Opinion piece from a journalist quoting a study that admits its has serious limitations?
This leads to more questions than answers.

[adnj]

COVID-19 surges in unvaccinated communities are sending more kids to the hospital

At least 452 children in the United States have died of COVID-19 since the pandemic began, a tiny fraction of the nearly 650,000 deaths nationwide. That lopsided tally has led many to downplay the pandemic’s toll on kids.

But two new studies issued Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention make clear that children have hardly received a free pass. And especially since the arrival of COVID-19 vaccines and the Delta variant, kids’ prospects rest largely on the decisions made by the adults who surround them.

When adults and eligible adolescents get vaccinated in large numbers, younger children are at greatly reduced risk of becoming seriously ill with COVID-19, the new reports show. Conversely, when few are willing to get the jab, the pediatric wings of hospitals will fill — as they did in COVID-19 hot spots across the country in mid-August.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2 ... ?_amp=true

How many of the 452 kids that died had serious comorbidities and how man did not have any comorbidities?
The article claims two new studies but these studies have serious limitations that even the authors list. Example from one of the quoted studies.

"The findings in this report are subject to at least five limitations. First, children and adolescents meeting COVID-NET criteria with a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result might have been hospitalized primarily for reasons other than COVID-19 (2), resulting in potential overestimations of hospitalization rates. Second, COVID-19–associated hospitalizations might have been missed because of testing practices and test availability. Third, the number of hospitalized children with severe outcomes was small during June 20–July 31, 2021, limiting comparisons between periods before and during Delta variant predominance. Fourth, the number of fully vaccinated hospitalized adolescents remained low at the time of reporting, and hospitalization rates stratified by vaccination status are subject to error if misclassification of vaccination status occurred. Finally, the COVID-NET catchment areas include approximately 10% of the U.S. population; thus, findings might not be nationally generalizable."

Opinion piece from a journalist quoting a study that admits its has serious limitations?
This leads to more questions than answers.

You have just criticized an opinion by making a counterpoint with nothing more than an opinion.

[aaron17]

Epsom salt tea is better than any vaccine.But you have to drink it for at least three days

Wut?

[drchaos]

COVID-19 surges in unvaccinated communities are sending more kids to the hospital

At least 452 children in the United States have died of COVID-19 since the pandemic began, a tiny fraction of the nearly 650,000 deaths nationwide. That lopsided tally has led many to downplay the pandemic’s toll on kids.

But two new studies issued Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention make clear that children have hardly received a free pass. And especially since the arrival of COVID-19 vaccines and the Delta variant, kids’ prospects rest largely on the decisions made by the adults who surround them.

When adults and eligible adolescents get vaccinated in large numbers, younger children are at greatly reduced risk of becoming seriously ill with COVID-19, the new reports show. Conversely, when few are willing to get the jab, the pediatric wings of hospitals will fill — as they did in COVID-19 hot spots across the country in mid-August.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2 ... ?_amp=true

How many of the 452 kids that died had serious comorbidities and how man did not have any comorbidities?
The article claims two new studies but these studies have serious limitations that even the authors list. Example from one of the quoted studies.

"The findings in this report are subject to at least five limitations. First, children and adolescents meeting COVID-NET criteria with a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result might have been hospitalized primarily for reasons other than COVID-19 (2), resulting in potential overestimations of hospitalization rates. Second, COVID-19–associated hospitalizations might have been missed because of testing practices and test availability. Third, the number of hospitalized children with severe outcomes was small during June 20–July 31, 2021, limiting comparisons between periods before and during Delta variant predominance. Fourth, the number of fully vaccinated hospitalized adolescents remained low at the time of reporting, and hospitalization rates stratified by vaccination status are subject to error if misclassification of vaccination status occurred. Finally, the COVID-NET catchment areas include approximately 10% of the U.S. population; thus, findings might not be nationally generalizable."

Opinion piece from a journalist quoting a study that admits its has serious limitations?
This leads to more questions than answers.

You have just criticized an opinion by making a counterpoint with nothing more than an opinion.

It is a fact that the authors of the study stated that their study had major limitations.

[hover11]

How how my PM didn't say.....
Only the vaccinated will be allowed in churches , trying to understand the rationale

[adnj]

COVID-19 surges in unvaccinated communities are sending more kids to the hospital

At least 452 children in the United States have died of COVID-19 since the pandemic began, a tiny fraction of the nearly 650,000 deaths nationwide. That lopsided tally has led many to downplay the pandemic’s toll on kids.

But two new studies issued Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention make clear that children have hardly received a free pass. And especially since the arrival of COVID-19 vaccines and the Delta variant, kids’ prospects rest largely on the decisions made by the adults who surround them.

When adults and eligible adolescents get vaccinated in large numbers, younger children are at greatly reduced risk of becoming seriously ill with COVID-19, the new reports show. Conversely, when few are willing to get the jab, the pediatric wings of hospitals will fill — as they did in COVID-19 hot spots across the country in mid-August.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2 ... ?_amp=true

How many of the 452 kids that died had serious comorbidities and how man did not have any comorbidities?
The article claims two new studies but these studies have serious limitations that even the authors list. Example from one of the quoted studies.

"The findings in this report are subject to at least five limitations. First, children and adolescents meeting COVID-NET criteria with a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result might have been hospitalized primarily for reasons other than COVID-19 (2), resulting in potential overestimations of hospitalization rates. Second, COVID-19–associated hospitalizations might have been missed because of testing practices and test availability. Third, the number of hospitalized children with severe outcomes was small during June 20–July 31, 2021, limiting comparisons between periods before and during Delta variant predominance. Fourth, the number of fully vaccinated hospitalized adolescents remained low at the time of reporting, and hospitalization rates stratified by vaccination status are subject to error if misclassification of vaccination status occurred. Finally, the COVID-NET catchment areas include approximately 10% of the U.S. population; thus, findings might not be nationally generalizable."

Opinion piece from a journalist quoting a study that admits its has serious limitations?
This leads to more questions than answers.

You have just criticized an opinion by making a counterpoint with nothing more than an opinion.

It is a fact that the authors of the study stated that their study had major limitations.

When studies are written, transparency dictates that assumptions and limitations be listed for further dialog. That's the process.

You criticized an opinion by making a counterpoint with nothing more than an opinion.

[carluva]

Do you have children of your own hover?

Most classrooms are in air conditioned settings unlike open air so that is even more risks and you hoping that the children practice the 3Ws the entire time they must not slip and wear their masks on their chins or eyes like their adult counterparts

Gadsby-Dolly: Teachers not required to declare vaccination status

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/gadsbyd ... c8343088e6


So potentially unvaccinated teachers likely to be placed with our vaccinated kids when you keeping them away from unvaccinated classmates?

That sound like Rowley and them fraid the industrial court. How unvaccinated teachers could go into school and teach little children for 8 hours a day but a man frying chicken need to be vaccinated to go to work.

They want to kill people chirren!!!!

[aaron17]

https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-o ... 2021-09-06

One study...however some sort of protection is better than nothing.

[timelapse]

Epsom salt tea is better than any vaccine.But you have to drink it for at least three days

Wut?

If Ivermectin good, then Epsom salt much better.
If you looking for a good case of the sheitings because that's what they both do to humans

[Mmoney607]

I have a statistic, 100% of people who died from COVID-19 between January 2020 and February 2021 were unvaccinated. #getvaccinated #vaccinessavelives

[redmanjp]

How how my PM didn't say.....
Only the vaccinated will be allowed in churches , trying to understand the rationale

churches are not included in safe zones. neither are any retail businesses or restaurant take away service or even personal services (barbers, etc.)

one thing most of the 'safe zone' businesses have in common is eating & drinking which makes it impractical for masks to be worn:

in house dining at restaurants
bars
cinemas
gyms are perhaps included as it may be difficult to wear a mask when u are breathing hard when exercising, also that fast respiration rate lends itself to a lot of viral particles being exhaled.

so the only way to open these places without causing massive amounts of cases is to limit it to vaxxed only. masks can be worn in churches like the other non safe zone businesses.

[j.o.e]

How how my PM didn't say.....
Only the vaccinated will be allowed in churches , trying to understand the rationale

churches are not included in safe zones. neither are any retail businesses or restaurant take away service or even personal services (barbers, etc.)

one thing most of the 'safe zone' businesses have in common is eating & drinking which makes it impractical for masks to be worn:

in house dining at restaurants
bars
cinemas
gyms are perhaps included as it may be difficult to wear a mask when u are breathing hard when exercising, also that fast respiration rate lends itself to a lot of viral particles being exhaled.

so the only way to open these places without causing massive amounts of cases is to limit it to vaxxed only. masks can be worn in churches like the other non safe zone businesses.

Stop talking sense in here nah. You eh realize here is just for goal post movers and sheit talkers ? I just come in here to marvel at what mostly free education gave us

[adnj]

I have a statistic, 100% of people who died from COVID-19 between January 2020 and February 2021 were unvaccinated. #getvaccinated #vaccinessavelives

You cannot definitively make that statement.

JUNE 29, 202012:40 AM UPDATED A YEAR AGO

CanSino's COVID-19 vaccine candidate approved for military use in China

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2400DZ

[Dohplaydat]

How how my PM didn't say.....
Only the vaccinated will be allowed in churches , trying to understand the rationale

churches are not included in safe zones. neither are any retail businesses or restaurant take away service or even personal services (barbers, etc.)

one thing most of the 'safe zone' businesses have in common is eating & drinking which makes it impractical for masks to be worn:

in house dining at restaurants
bars
cinemas
gyms are perhaps included as it may be difficult to wear a mask when u are breathing hard when exercising, also that fast respiration rate lends itself to a lot of viral particles being exhaled.

so the only way to open these places without causing massive amounts of cases is to limit it to vaxxed only. masks can be worn in churches like the other non safe zone businesses.

Stop talking sense in here nah. You eh realize here is just for goal post movers and sheit talkers ? I just come in here to marvel at what mostly free education gave us

To be honest, I worked out in gmy from Nov to April with a mask....it was a little annoying and I had to take it off a lot to drink water, but the gym rules said we had to wear it and it was fine.

I was doing mainly weighs which is less demanding than intense cardio, I would think doing Spin wearing a mask would be hella hard.

[redmanjp]

[hover11]

So we going to pretend ppl were not removing their masks to sing and dance yea ok I noticed someone mentioned something about free education but like they oblivious to what happens in churches or places of worship , last time I checked that is a gathering.

How how my PM didn't say.....
Only the vaccinated will be allowed in churches , trying to understand the rationale

churches are not included in safe zones. neither are any retail businesses or restaurant take away service or even personal services (barbers, etc.)

one thing most of the 'safe zone' businesses have in common is eating & drinking which makes it impractical for masks to be worn:

in house dining at restaurants
bars
cinemas
gyms are perhaps included as it may be difficult to wear a mask when u are breathing hard when exercising, also that fast respiration rate lends itself to a lot of viral particles being exhaled.

so the only way to open these places without causing massive amounts of cases is to limit it to vaxxed only. masks can be worn in churches like the other non safe zone businesses.

[redmanjp]

Dr Hinds: Vaxxed passengers are advised to limit their interactions with ppl in the first 2 weeks and monitor for symptoms.

that's not enough imo. they should be given an home quarantine order.

at 0.57 "Anyone who is Covid+ and dies is included in the Covid deaths stats"

[hover11]

How to limit interactions when movies, casino, bars and gyms open only open for vaccinated soon. So if I only come to Trinidad for two weeks I must be home for my whole stay....make it make sense

Dr Hinds: Vaxxed passengers are advised to limit their interactions with ppl in the first 2 weeks and monitor for symptoms.

that's not enough imo. they should be given an home quarantine order.

[redmanjp]

How to limit interactions when movies, casino, bars and gyms open only open for vaccinated soon. So if I only come to Trinidad for two weeks I must be home for my whole stay....make it make sense

Dr Hinds: Vaxxed passengers are advised to limit their interactions with ppl in the first 2 weeks and monitor for symptoms.

that's not enough imo. they should be given a home quarantine order.

well that's better than starting a chain of infection and infecting the whole population with the extremely infectious delta and having to go right back into lockdown- yuh eh think?

although perhaps 1 week may be enough with delta as i read somewhere the incubation period maybe only a week.

[hover11]

I find it unfair unvaccinated have to endure mandatory quarantine yet is a free for all with vaccinated and leaving it to their discretion...thats what I think

How to limit interactions when movies, casino, bars and gyms open only open for vaccinated soon. So if I only come to Trinidad for two weeks I must be home for my whole stay....make it make sense

Dr Hinds: Vaxxed passengers are advised to limit their interactions with ppl in the first 2 weeks and monitor for symptoms.

that's not enough imo. they should be given an home quarantine order.

well thats better than starting a chain of infection and infecting the whole population with the extremely infectious delta and having to go right back into lockdown- yuh eh think?

[j.o.e]

I find it unfair unvaccinated have to endure mandatory quarantine yet is a free for all with vaccinated and leaving it to their discretion...thats what I think

How to limit interactions when movies, casino, bars and gyms open only open for vaccinated soon. So if I only come to Trinidad for two weeks I must be home for my whole stay....make it make sense

Dr Hinds: Vaxxed passengers are advised to limit their interactions with ppl in the first 2 weeks and monitor for symptoms.

that's not enough imo. they should be given an home quarantine order.

well thats better than starting a chain of infection and infecting the whole population with the extremely infectious delta and having to go right back into lockdown- yuh eh think?

Again you ignore the science, while vaccinated and unvaccinated can both get the virus they are not the same risk in terms of severity, level of spread and length of time being contagious. There is a risk but it is less. Life is getting back to normal with the help of vaccines.
An unvaccinated is at higher risk for getting sick, being contagious, hospitalization and death. Therefore policy will treat them differently.
Is it that you guys want the status quo to remain indefinitely?

[hover11]

So question can't a vaccinated spread it to an unvaccinated and cause death regardless of risk? Another question aren't their vaccinated persons who are currently in Israel a high number I might add in hospitals at the moment? Last question, if delta was as serious as they say right
In other words, the Delta isn't as bad as the said it was.
Since the people that they so called caught with it before they mingled with it the rest of the populace are:
IN ICU DOING WELL, TREATED AND DISCHARGED.....

I find it unfair unvaccinated have to endure mandatory quarantine yet is a free for all with vaccinated and leaving it to their discretion...thats what I think

How to limit interactions when movies, casino, bars and gyms open only open for vaccinated soon. So if I only come to Trinidad for two weeks I must be home for my whole stay....make it make sense

Dr Hinds: Vaxxed passengers are advised to limit their interactions with ppl in the first 2 weeks and monitor for symptoms.

that's not enough imo. they should be given an home quarantine order.

well thats better than starting a chain of infection and infecting the whole population with the extremely infectious delta and having to go right back into lockdown- yuh eh think?

Again you ignore the science, while vaccinated and unvaccinated can both get the virus they are not the same risk in terms of severity, level of spread and length of time being contagious. There is a risk but it is less. Life is getting back to normal with the help of vaccines.
An unvaccinated is at higher risk for getting sick, being contagious, hospitalization and death. Therefore policy will treat them differently.
Is it that you guys want the status quo to remain indefinitely?