The Religion Discussion

[crock101]

Turns out king James 1st , you know , the guy whose name is on your bible, was a homosexual/fudge packer
There are even privy council records of him openly admitting it his affections for george villiers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I

http://rictornorton.co.uk/jamesi.htm


https://www.amazon.com/James-History-Ho ... 0814796931


http://www.ministers-best-friend.com/Ki ... exual.html

[bluesclues]

Turns out king James 1st , you know , the guy whose name is on your bible, was a homosexual/fudge packer
There are even privy council records of him openly admitting it his affections for george villiers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I

http://rictornorton.co.uk/jamesi.htm


https://www.amazon.com/James-History-Ho ... 0814796931


http://www.ministers-best-friend.com/Ki ... exual.html

I dont think u know what a homosexual is. Just to clarify for u. It means someone who practices same sex intercourse. James had a wife and children. For this reason he couldnt be considered a homosexual. Perhaps the word u and whedon was looking for was bi-sexual. Who is whedon?

Read more
https://www.chick.com/reading/books/158/158_03.asp

This is how these scientists do research. They look for something that says what they want to hear and then they stop researching. And u call urself unbiased. May i posit that u are a homosexual.

Keeping that scientific method pure are we?
Look how u make urself out to be a hypocrit. Believing something without evidence because it suits u. Tutt tutt

But lets also look at the area of common sense.


"James adopted a severe stance towards sodomy using English law. His book on kingship, Basilikón Dōron, (Greek for "Royal Gift") lists sodomy among those “horrible crimes which ye are bound in conscience never to forgive”. He also singled out sodomy in a letter to Lord Burleigh giving directives that Judges were to interpret the law broadly and were not to issue any pardons, saying that "no more colour may be left to judges to work upon their wits in that point."

So after your in-depth research into king james' life, u discovered that a man who wrote a book condemning homosexuality, and saw to it that a religious document condemning homosexuality was made available to the world. Which is not strange as they all do. Unless u think king james wrote the gita and the buddhist way of life too.. all of which condemn homosexuality as stagnation of the spirit and also state no homosexual can become enlightened.

You then in your commonsense came to the well funded conclusion, that the bible was written by a homosexual.. who had children. Based on an accusation made 25 years after his death. Because common sense tells u that a homosexual would publish a book strongly condemning homosexuality. And the evidence to support the claim was so startling, that u rushed over to trinituner to post links and an angle.

Son. Go and sleep

Smh

[eitech]

And they say we are quick to copy and paste from the bible...

[crock101]

I guess I must have been misled by a bunch of made up articles......but wait there are still those darn privy council records.....and oh yeah ,well documented love letters from James to george, expressing the kings need to penetrate another man, that are quite kept in pretty good shape by libraries in England and Scotland. Oh that pesky evidence always poking up its head and ruining somebody's day. Even during his rule he was called "queen James" by many of his contemporaries, including sir Walter Raleigh.

Why would James having kids say anything about whether the was bi or gay....there are may closeted gay men out here with wives and children.here is a link with a bunch outed anti gay pastors who were gay themselves...self loathing is a strange thing .

https://www.amazon.com/King-James-Lette ... 0877456690

http://www.ministers-best-friend.com/Ki ... exual.html


http://www.advocate.com/politics/politi ... -gay-or-bi

[bluesclues]

And they say we are quick to copy and paste from the bible...

Love it so much he latch on and cant let go. I have nothing to say again yes.

He has made it clear he doesnt know how to assess eyewitness accounts. And now hes made it clear that he doesnt know what is to be considered 'evidence', and grounded fact.

The privy council records are the biggest laugh of all that they assume the man was gay because he showed deep public love towards a man or men whom he considered dear. But its just an atheist rumor mill. U know how they do their thing and assert that christ was gay too and latch on to anything they can.


Only thing i will say more to crocknoob101 on the matter. Is that whether or not king james did participate in the actual sexual intercourse with other men, which he condemned so openly as to demand death for anyone guilty of sodomy, he is a man like any other. Prone to sin, and still also under and subject to the law of God and salvation. He didnt write the bible. He commisioned scholars to examine, translate various texts and arrange them. For those lacking in comprehension, that is not the same as 'writing the book'

I have asked the Holy Spirit if it is possible for a Gay man to become enlightened. The response... well. Let's just say i wont be asking stupid questions like that again. It really isnt something that is tolerated in the echelons of spirituality. Bydesign it is created not possible. By any stride. But loving your fellow man, hugging, kissing even is acceptable. Its just being openly affectionate. This is why they would joke about 'queen james'. It is clear that atheists who attach themselves to the story of queer king james, suffer in their bias to perverse thinking, lacking the comprehension of the language of the time to properly assess james meaning in his letters.

Sad failures. If this is what u call 'evidence'. Then surely we have no debate or discussion here because man and donkey dont speak the same language.

[eitech]

LOL

[crock101]

Isn't it your belief that man and donkey do speak the same language.numbers 22-28
Facts are important, either he had sex with men or he didn't , what you don't get to do, is say he wasn't gay ,then in the very next sentence defend his alleged fudge packing by claiming man is prone to sin, c'mon.
Why would a heterosexual man send letters to another man asking him why he no longer visits his bed chamber.

I never said James wrote the bible,I said his name was on it...Which if you go check,will find is true, just like the fudge packing,which I still don't get why it is called a sin in the first place.

You seem to think that the privy council is a bunch of guys who are concerned with gossip , those records are exactly that ,"records" . The privy council records are a joke but the bible is factual....this is exactly where your problem lies.


http://biblehub.com/numbers/22-28.htm

[bluesclues]

Isn't it your belief that man and donkey do speak the same language.numbers 22-28
Facts are important, either he had sex with men or he didn't , what you don't get to do, is say he wasn't gay ,then in the very next sentence defend his alleged fudge packing by claiming man is prone to sin, c'mon.

Cmon? U asking for a vote? Lol. U urself just called it alleged. This is evidence?
The sentence didnt stop there as there was more to add. As usual.. taking things out of context. He referenced jesus and john's relationship to defend his right to brotherly love. But at no time does it have to include sodomy.


Why would a heterosexual man send letters to another man asking him why he no longer visits his bed chamber.

oh i dunno, maybe because he was his bed chamber boy? And he misses him? Kings have bed chamber boys. They usually naturally spend alot of time with the king. But there are ppl like this. Quite a few excentrics and other ppl simply take a passionate liking to some or even sometimes everyone they know. It is their way of practicing love. The comments from james in the privy council dont sound to me like a man who has anything to hide. Knowing his pronounced opinion on the matter. Their letters could include code or inside jokes. But obviously, this is the juiciest of the juiciest thats been pulled from these letters. And in not one can you see something along the lines of 'i miss your Rooster in my ass'

This is why ur stuck with allegation and asking for votes. Because what u have, is called... inconclusive. Things i do not waste too much time on. Whether james was gay or not has no bearing on my view of the bible. Just so u know. So i dont see what is the purpose in ur fightdown.

I never said James wrote the bible,I said his name was on it...Which if you go check,will find is true, just like the fudge packing,which I still don't get why it is called a sin in the first place.

It is a sin because symbolically it does not embody the idea and purpose of life, which lies in the realm of productivity. The entire human race is on a drive for productivity. It embodies productive models and symbols in how and why our human systems are design. Everything down to capitalism and how the universe generates maintains life and produces evolutionary cycles of life forms in a prductive manner. So in order to align oneself with the idea and purpose of the universe, the act of homosexual sex goes contrary.

The universe was created with the intention for opposites to join to make a whole. And this is part of the prductive cycle that man must join with woman to make a child. Otherwise ur performing unproductive behaviour. And this is bad for your own soul development.

You all like to call out who mad and who what. Did u know, that in psychology, children or grownups who eat poop are considered to be showing signs of brain damage or otherwise demented state of mind?


Anyway, besides that. In mysticism, the phallus is seen as a divine tool for sexual reproduction. And children are born through the miracle of birth in which God gave us the ability to create new life and birth new souls. We understand that the universe is built upon opposites uniting. Taking your divine tool and putting it in a shyt tract, if u check it out. Is a real curse upon urself. Ur spilling ur divine lifegiving seed into a sewer. little bits of your life force being given off and thrown into poop.

Anyone practicing to harmonize with the universe and align themselves with nature fully... wouldnt practice something like that. It could be the end of your spiritual progress just like it is the end of your line because ur gay and wont reproduce until u stick it in the right hole. So right there, God denies gay people because left in their own ways they wont make any children. Just like every creature thats ever lived on the planet, to reproduce, to produce, to be productive, 2 opposite sexual energies must unite and synchronize as one.

In essence, the world wishes to utilize practices that could further the development of the human species if EVERYONE in the whole world did it. Not to encourage unproductive, hoobyist type behaviours which if everyone were to adopt would lead to the stagnation of both species and individual spiritual devellopment.

[megadoc1]

some think the bible is discredited when they claim that king James was a homosexual. (I wont waste my time arguing this)
they are so blinded in their zeal or whatever agenda they have against the bible that they forget some little details that render their assertion irrelevant
here they are
1.the bible was around before king James
2. the standard translation of that time was the Latin Vulgate
3.king James commissioned a council of translators to translate the bible into a newer English version of that time hence the title KJV

how is the bible affected again?

[eitech]

i does be content with lookin on and laughing eh but sometimes i gotta jump in. so hilarious, dis man still on the talkin donkey. strange eh, u find a talkin donkey more fascinating and unbelievable versus God that created the universe. I would imagine the latter wud be more absurd to you, no? But i get you, ur mind too small to grasp that belief, so a donkey is ur level. lmao

[bluesclues]

Lol everytime i study them and the great significance the talking donkey have in their hearts i does laugh lol

[crock101]

The comparison between his relationship with George and of that between Jesus and John sounds more like he thought that Jesus had sex with John.
I find this hilarious.

The bible is pretty stupid with or without James's involvement.him being a butthole surfer does not in anyway discredit the bible, talking donkeys,talking snakes, zombie carpenters, people being turned into pillars of salt , magic men in the sky raping married women,members of every animal species in the world fitting on a boat way to small to fit them, all while being way to big to ever float for more than a couple of days , these things discredit the bible, simply because they are silly and illogical and were clearly written by people too primitive to know the facts of the world that they lived in.

According to the bible ,homosexuals are sinners and should be killed, your justification was that they are misusing their body parts,specifically the anus, by that "logic" , people who misuse their lungs by smoking should also be killed,after all they are misusing their body parts.

King James fagottry did not make him any more or any less human, I just find it funny.picture it, him getting pounded while trying to choose which translation to use for exodus......that's funny.

[bluesclues]

It may seem funny to u but it seems perverse and the product of a twisted and idle mind to me. Dont u have better things to think about?

[eitech]

You saw what he did? He started all hot and sweaty bout king james and how he was a homo and wanna make a connection to a homo's name on the bible.
Realising he get shootdown, crocks like" well you know the bible is still pretty stupid with or without james involvement. Dont you have ur logical facts to stand by? If that was ur thought all along why bring it up anyway. And thats what you guys do, you jus keep prodding and prodding hoping to hit the mark but you still miss it anyways by a longshot

[bluesclues]

The phallus is the penis. Not the anus.

Smoking has productive properties associated with mysticism and spiritual awareness and elevation. It is an ancient practice of the shaman to smoke various herbs. Tobacco, thugh not as potent, carries some mystical properties which aid in the areas of relaxation, breathing control, and slowed heartrate which form the foundation of a successful meditation.

[eitech]

I jus recalled ppl being accused of having a mental problem. well, chk this:

Mark 2:17 KJVS
[17] When Jesus heard it , he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.


Matthew 9:12 KJVS
[12] But when Jesus heard that , he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

Luke 5:31 KJVS
[31] And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.

You are the ones that are really sick.

[crock101]

I keep bringing up the talking donkey because it is important that we are clear about the side that we take in this discussion,on one side, their is a group who have no problem believing that at one point on earth there was a talking donkey,and on their other side there are people who strongly oppose this idea.

Which side you take says a lot about you and deeply affects what else you are likely to believe.
One would think that "god" would take offense to any body misusing the body parts that he "gave" to them , whether it be the penis,anus ,lungs or liver........but you wouldn't ,after all you think smoking can "elevate your spiritual awareness" whatever the hell that means and of course Jesus supposedly makes wine out of water so you will have to come up with some other silly reason to justify alcohol consumption.
But you don't like gays and the bible agrees with you ,so it's cool.

By the way, the bible also states that a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night should be stoned to death on her father's doorstep......tell me, how do you feel about that bit of scholarly wisdom?

[eitech]

LMAO. If u cannot believe in God, who is the creator of the universe, then how the ass (lol), do you expect to believe in a talking donkey? Have you ever even read the story? The donkey and God are mentioned in that chapter. You don't even believe in God, then obviously you can NEVER understand that story. The issue here for you is not the donkey, thats easy to talk about for u. But ur puny mind cannot comprehend the existence of God, so you choose the easy way out by spreading folly about an incident you don't understand. That is illogical by ur standards to say the least.

[brainchild]

For crock and whoever else may get caught debating with these two, understand this...these guys believe that you must fully believe in God FIRST before being able to understand the stories of the Bible. If not, you WILL NOT be able to truly understand it. So cast aside things like logic, mathematics, biology, physics and distinctions in English because these won't help you here. You need blind faith in something you know nothing about or don't fully comprehend before you start learning about it, only then will you be able to make perfect "sense" out of wild claims, useless tasks, talking animals and more.

So thread carefully...

[eitech]

Blind faith? i don't know if to laugh or cry.

[bluesclues]

Well for the record. I dont dislike or hate gays. Again i understand free will and respect it. It is their body. It is their soul. They can, do with it, as they please, just there may be consequences to face. Why cant i point that out without being labelled a hater? Especially if someone ask me. Not like i made the rules. I had to follow the rules too u know.

And im not justifying smoking. Just pointing out that it can be and has been used as a spiritual aid for aspirants and even adepts. It is not a necessity. Just like u could learn to ride a bike without training wheels. But getting the 'hang' might be made easier by using training wheels.

It has a productive aspect. Name one thing that i productive about gay sex? Free prostate exams?

[desifemlove]

who says sex has to productive? then most straight sex is wrong too.

[megadoc1]

Crock. Let's talk about the talking donkey.

[eitech]

Crock. Let's talk about the talking donkey.

he sensitive to movies eh. jus make sure is not shrek he referring to.

[bluesclues]

who says sex has to productive? then most straight sex is wrong too.

It may not be 'reproductive', but is productive in that the act and the symbol it creates is 'in-line' with universal intention.

The symbols created by the act of male on male buggery is one of ...

Dead-ends, stagnation, futility, rebellion.. to name a few. If only it was JUST symbols. But as it is those symbols actually translates in to real life, and the practice actually delivers on those previously stated.

A dead end track for sperm.
Stagnation or non-development of the human species
Futility in the attempt to gain anything productive such as aoffspring
Rebellion against the grain of what is very obvious was the universe's design and intention for male and female.

If u bought ur child an electric guitar. Would u like to see him playing cricket with it? It could work as a bat sure. But is that what it was designed for? Is it achieving its true purpose on a cricket pitch. I dont feel like i should have to justify why these behaviours shouldnt be encouraged. If someone chooses to practice or experiment with it by their own will. Fine. But dont encourage it and work towards making it an acceptable normal thing. That would be the wrong road to go down. Butterfly effect considered.

[bluesclues]

Obviouslty few, if anyone can be 100% productive at all times. But it is worth promoting and trying to achieve as close to the threshold as possible, the strength, and discipline required would naturally make that person more powerful than average. Because they are in control of their desires and not their desires in control of them.

[thingcall]

What about somthing from nothing?

[bluesclues]

What about somthing from nothing?

If the thing u labelled 'nothing' is not nothing. But merely something that the current sensors u are equipped with cannot detect.

[Daran]

What about somthing from nothing?

If the thing u labelled 'nothing' is not nothing. But merely something that the current sensors u are equipped with cannot detect.

lol typical religious argument cop out.

If we used that logic we'd never advance in any scientific field!

Well for the record. I dont dislike or hate gays. Again i understand free will and respect it. It is their body. It is their soul. They can, do with it, as they please, just there may be consequences to face. Why cant i point that out without being labelled a hater? Especially if someone ask me. Not like i made the rules. I had to follow the rules too u know.

And im not justifying smoking. Just pointing out that it can be and has been used as a spiritual aid for aspirants and even adepts. It is not a necessity. Just like u could learn to ride a bike without training wheels. But getting the 'hang' might be made easier by using training wheels.

It has a productive aspect. Name one thing that i productive about gay sex? Free prostate exams?

Any God who seeks to punish people for a consensual sexual relationship is immoral.

Two men or two women, fall in love and have sex. How does that cause any ill harm to anyone?

[thingcall]

What about somthing from nothing?

If the thing u labelled 'nothing' is not nothing. But merely something that the current sensors u are equipped with cannot detect.

Check out john lennox he'll be better to explain