The Religion Discussion

[bluesclues]

you can all talk and bash me. but meanwhile i just sent a few hundred scholars reeling when i informed them of Jesus true race. i provided them with irrefutable evidence. thus, you can expect the pope to make an announcement on Jesus true race after much delay and deliberation.

if we were to visit the original Topic of this thread as stated by the OP.

Anyone willing to share an experience that happened to you that convinced you that God is real?

thus my original reply was if we remember, was that I had spent my life searching for God and had sacrificed everything and completely turned my eye away from materialism and focused on love. as a scholar i had only faith, studying, practicing what i learned and trying with all my heart to reach out to God. then it eventually came to a time where God took me up into heaven and shew me my body made of light. he shew me in the ethereal mirror a reflection of my ascended soul. on the night that this occured. i woke up from sleep startled at what i had seen. i calmed down a little while later and tried to go back to sleep and as i closed my eyes and dosed off, there i was in Heaven again in the presence of God in front of my own soul's reflection. i was startled but decied to try and test the reflection for deception. for i know it was possible that it could be a false image. so i tried to shake the reflection, as in, a mirror will always imitate exactly everything you do. and as it turns out, i could not shake the image. it shadowed my every move and expression including that of the one created in a confusion to really give it a shake. all failed. it was MY reflection. i woke up startled again, not comprehending at all what i was experiencing. i thought of it as a dream but how could it happen twice between periods of waking? so i said to myself, if it happens again when i go back to sleep this time then it is truly a message from God. and bet your bottom dollar, i set back to sleep again and closed my eyes, and there again i was in Heaven in the presence of God and in front of my reflection. this time i thought to turn, for i felt the awesome all consuming powerful love emanating from behind me. a presence so powerfully divine. there i knew it was God, and for fear and for shame i did not turn around to look. it was not God that i feared, but the experience of such a powerful love, leaking and consuming all the surroundings and even, penetrating my very soul.

when it was over i guess i finally passed out and woke up the next morning and carried about my days as i usually would. still seeking further closeness with God, but knowing that he had his eye on me. it was about a year later, while i had committed to a very large prayer ceremony and offering to God. i had completely consumed myself in prayer for mankind and for their salvation and for peace on earth. to stop the children from starving in Africa and elsewhere. there i said to God that i would do anything for it to end. for the suffering to end, and for everyone on earth to experience peace.


it was then and there it happened. the Holy Spirit descended upon me. in real life in the plainness of day in my room. i was consumed with an excruciating headache. the headache i tried to fight. but it as beating me. it persisted so powerfully that i eventually could literally not fight it anymore and gave up fighting. that was when the headache went away. instantly within my mind i felt a pleasant swirl and the turning of a shiv in the centre of my head. and the headache was Gone. 3 seconds or so later..... BOOOOOOOOM. a massive explosion happened. it was made of white light and it occured from within my head outward through my eyes. white light was spewing everywhere out my body in all directions. and for that time i could see the spiritual paradise of God here on earth. the original Eden. i saw the perfect world that God promised all of mankind and it was in a shift in perception.

this lasted weeks, months, years. it's intensity seemed to be fading after the first couple weeks. as time past by i realised it wasnt the intensity that was fading, but my body was growing stronger to withstand and channel the spiritual energy. as i continued in my path of serving God over the years i became stronger, and each day the Spirit of God was with me teaching me of the scriptures. it made certain with the key i was given that i could see that ALL RELIGIONS ARE ONE UNDER GOD. i meditated and prayed devoutly to God continuously. every day alotting periods of HRS to prayer and meditation. there i learned of the spirit's true forms of communication and it taught me many more things and gave me new gifts. i was then allowed to use my gift once, to perform a miracle. so that i may see the truth of the power of the Spirit of God and have no more Doubt. and i saw it. and i knew it. and it was true. Man can perform miracles through the works of the spirit.


and that is my contribution to the thread. i thank you all for your time and consideration. those who have weighed me and found me needing or wanting. they have judged me and found me incompatible or unacceptable. and this is part of my decree and design from God. those who seek to judge will judge anyway, but who and what makes them think they are valid judges, only they and God alone knows. for i say and do things which do not seem to be that of a man of God. i say the word fck. i go to clubs, i drink rum, i speak about women and i even laugh about jesus jokes. do not judge these things if you are to know God. but the message of the things i say the teachings i bring and the interpretation which i correct. those things you may test, and judge, and find that if anything i say to you is not in keeping with the scripture then i am not a man of God.

i will provide you no contradictions. not within a one religion, or among the lot of them, for all of them are in perfect agreement. and serve the same One God of Abraham.

believe what you will. but I am the Christ

i am the Anointed. anointed wtith God's Spirit.. this is the meaning of the word Christ.. from the greek Christos.

oh.. almost forgot...

I affirm that all the contents herein are absolutely true by my being and by God the Father of all creation. that my soul be eternally punished should i have told you a lie regarding my ascension into divinity contained herein.

[bluesclues]

indeed i have not given you this much detail in my story before. and there is still yet more details i have to inform you of in my experience. but it be noted here the first time, that i have confirmed the ability to perform miracles through the works of the Spirit. however since the one, i have not performed a single other. there were witnesses to the miracle. and they marveled greatly at it for the entire day. i was there and they had not known i had done it myself. they all congregated to ponder and logicize but could find no logic after all their physical tests. i said nothing. i observed the human mind at work in them. they all eventually retired from it as a non-issue. but if they were asked about it today, they will remember because it is still there. but they have no explanation and so they pass it by regularly.

[Slartibartfast]

Slartibartfast,you are doing the same thing you accusing Habit7of doing. You say that he cannot prove God exists,But you have no proof that he does not exist ,yet you say that he does not.you also rely on faith to prove what you believe in,that is ,faith in your assumption that he does not.

Really? This is one of the most elementary and easily dismissed arguments. Google the "burden of proof" and see why. In most cases it is impossible to prove something does not exist. (Insert cliché "can you prove unicorns don't exist" argument amd "the dragon the Carl Sagan's garage" story)

Therefore, if YOU say something exists and YOU want ME to believe that it exists then the onus is on YOU to prove that it exists. It is your made up story not mine.

To Habit

That's a lovely article from what seems like an atheist apologist (if that's the word). I don't know what his qualifications are but he makes some incorrect sweeping generalisations.

The main difference between science and religious, the reason why they shall always remain incompatible with eachother is the skepticism. Skepticism is kind of the opposite of faith. Note that religious "skepticism" is different from true/atheist skepticism as you have proven on the last page.

Religious skepticism is self serving and only used to preach. True skepticism is in search of the truth. This is why science is constantly changing whereas religions have been stuck on the same books for centuries. Science is self correcting. It is sometimes wrong but it is very often correct. Religion doesn't care about right and wrong, it teaches what it is amd nothing else. There is no means to correct it, just re-interpret it to remain relevant. Except Islam. They just kill the competition.

Now here is the difference between religious faith amd scientific "faith"
Religious folk believe because they are told to believe. No real reasoning whatsoever (unless through flawed arguments like the one you have presented)
Scientists believe because of reasoning, proof and/or actual tangible evidence. You know what the correct word for scientific faith is? ... an assumption. We assume something to be true and use that assumption moving forward until it can't be used anymore and then science corrects itself or makes a more accurate assumption. Every thing we have "faith" in is constantly trying to be disproved. Unlike religion, the disproof of something big in science is seen as a good thing. Because it means we are getting closer to the truth.

Even then, scientists don't make assumptions willy nilly. There is always are reason for it. It is also noted how likely am assumption is to be true (99.9% sure the big bang happened because the universe is expanding and because of the cosmic background radiation)

But the closest thing to actual faith that we really have is the faith that our top minds are doing what they are doing the correct way. This is because it is impossible for any one human being to grasp all of the scientific knowledge needed to understand everything and work out everything for themself. However, this faith is warranted. Just look at how much science has shaped our world over the past 100 years alone. What has religion done in comparison (that could not have been done in the absence of religion)?

[rspann]

Read over what I said and you will see I am not putting forward any argument. I am saying that you are doing the same thing you accuse others of. You are saying that God does not exist without proof to back it up.(you said something cannot be proven not to exist) The fact that you made the statement shows your faith in you belief,which is the same thing a religious person does to believe in God.

[Slartibartfast]

I do not need to have faith in something that is correct.

- Prove to me that fairies don't exist

- Prove to me that unicorns don't exist

-Prove to me that there isn't a blackhole with my science assignment from form 1 at the centre of it (my excuse for not turning it in)

- Prove to me Bluesclues isn't a prophet.

Are all of those things true or exist? If not, why not?

[Slartibartfast]

you can all talk and bash me. but meanwhile i just sent a few hundred scholars reeling when i informed them of Jesus true race. i provided them with irrefutable evidence. thus, you can expect the pope to make an announcement on Jesus true race after much delay and deliberation.

So what was his race?
What was the evidence?
When can we expect the Pope to make an announcement by?

[meccalli]

Ayahuasca experiences sound exactly like blues story as a spiritualist. Unfortunately, it's an old concept that goes back to the philosophy of the greek way of perceiving the elements of a being. It's completely in conflict with the Bible and physicality.

[bluesclues]

Ayahuasca experiences sound exactly like blues story as a spiritualist. Unfortunately, it's an old concept that goes back to the philosophy of the greek way of perceiving the elements of a being. It's completely in conflict with the Bible and physicality.

i have never tried ayahausca. but i would given the chance. what happened was completely natural. and yes, altering consciousness, is the same as shifting consciousness, and is a necessity for spiritual awareness. thats the point. u are stuck in this reality because u are stuck in the physical perception of things. but behind it all is the real world of spiritual perfection just waiting to be seen and experienced. u can only do so, and as is told by all spiritual scriptures as it began with the shamans, by altering your consciousnes perception. shamans used (tools), bushes and herbs of different sorts. but i dont need any of those things. i can do it by my will alone. i know how to shift back and forth through different conscious states.

[bluesclues]

you can all talk and bash me. but meanwhile i just sent a few hundred scholars reeling when i informed them of Jesus true race. i provided them with irrefutable evidence. thus, you can expect the pope to make an announcement on Jesus true race after much delay and deliberation.

So what was his race?
What was the evidence?
When can we expect the Pope to make an announcement by?

he was mixed race. thus.. not pure white.. AT ALLLL

The evidence was in their very own scripture of the old testament. the full description of the family tree of divinity, it's offspring and their marriages, the nations they formed. following the family tree it is clear not only how each of the races began, but how they mixed themselves into the bloodline of Christ in i believe... perfectly equal amounts. guided by God to prevent genetic abnormalities between the 3 families of the sons of Noah, .. Shem, Ham and Japheth, who were asian, black and caucasian respectively.

he should make the anouncement when he figures out how he is going to word it. it is unlikely he will take the brazzen approach as it will require some backing up with thorough wisdom. but we may expect something like... "it is possible that Jesus wasnt a pure caucasian male". or "We have reason to believe that Jesus presented a mix of sorts". or something to that effect. there's a world of racist christians who wont take it well let's just say.

as a Jesuit priest, i think he may well go with the term ive adopted. a term not foreign to them at all. meso-asiatic(meso-asianic). meaning he was a mix of peoples from mesopotamian/babylonian region and asians. the meso regions included blacks and whites.. so.. easy pickins. EVERYBODY EENSIDE!!

[rspann]

Spiritual consciousness, filled with the spirit,going to heaven, seeing God yet still cussing ,watching women,drinking ?. That sounds just about right!

[crock101]

If you believe in talking snakes ,talking donkeys, flying monkeys and winged horses , you are delusional and should be institutionalized. You are dangerous.
Remember the suicide bomber crowd is entirely Muslim, the abortion clinic mass shooting crowd is entirely Christian.
If I were to ask you to think of good deed that is done by a religious person the is never done by a non religious one you will have a hard time, but if I ask you think of an evil thing done by a religious person that is never done by a non religious one, the list would get rather lengthy.

[bluesclues]

Spiritual consciousness, filled with the spirit,going to heaven, seeing God yet still cussing ,watching women,drinking ?. That sounds just about right!

perhaps but my heart is always with God above all those things. the image i portray is that of a normal man. and what should you expect of yourself if your were to be saved? arent you a normal man and individual?

what differs though is that i do totally know the law of God and have gained my graduation papers to prove that fact. mine was the task to function as a normal member of society whilst still obtaining God's grace. demonstrating the non-necessity to become a monk to do so. im no monk. i am no eunoch. these symbolic things such as the flagellation are truly nothing but ritual. i have loved when i was hated. and have forgiven and so was forgiven. i didnt take a symbolic walk around a mountain 1000 times to achieve it. i took the true tedious walk. the suffering that comes to us naturally in life. passing God's tests from the Devil. that's how it's done. a heart full of gold and well wishes for everyone in the entire world. that the wicked would no longer do wickedness and know love. that is what is in this heart that God chose. i have told you openly. i Love you all. but you upset me. you are unnecessarily mean to me at times. but i forgive you. because i am reminded always of the time before this when i too was in a state of ignorance. and take task of revising my explanations to produce greater clarity in the receiver.

at the end of the day i am normal. i go to work. i play videogames. i am not sinless. only sinless in the eyes of the Lord who has forgiven me. my sins are very few tho. to become sinless this is something can do. and relinquish all of my sins. but that also mean relinquishing the body which i now occupy. as it too is from the world of sin. and the body has needs just as the spirit has needs. i ensure to satisfy my spirit. for my spirit is I. and in keeping with balance. the body is also allowed to indulge in some minute enjoyment of physical living.

plus im young. and single. you want me toting around in a robe like some half dead old man? who knows maybe thatll happen too but i have some years before that happens lol. i dont even have my first grey hair yet take it easy. dont expect too much of me. but everything i instruct is in good keeping with the spirit of God. you can achieve God's grace in this life. it does take some sacrifice.. and major leaps of faith. but once you're following the right spirit.. everything always works out just as it said it would. to your amazement each and every single time.

what im saying is in all that. in my life.. my first priority is assigned to God.

[bluesclues]

and i mean i say i go to clubs.. but i havent been to one in about 2 years or more. before that a couple more years or something.. lol

i drink but .. i had 2 beers last week. get my drift? lol

[rspann]

Okay.

[Slartibartfast]

you can all talk and bash me. but meanwhile i just sent a few hundred scholars reeling when i informed them of Jesus true race. i provided them with irrefutable evidence. thus, you can expect the pope to make an announcement on Jesus true race after much delay and deliberation.

So what was his race?
What was the evidence?
When can we expect the Pope to make an announcement by?

he was mixed race. thus.. not pure white.. AT ALLLL

The evidence was in their very own scripture of the old testament. the full description of the family tree of divinity, it's offspring and their marriages, the nations they formed. following the family tree it is clear not only how each of the races began, but how they mixed themselves into the bloodline of Christ in i believe... perfectly equal amounts. guided by God to prevent genetic abnormalities between the 3 families of the sons of Noah, .. Shem, Ham and Japheth, who were asian, black and caucasian respectively.

he should make the anouncement when he figures out how he is going to word it. it is unlikely he will take the brazzen approach as it will require some backing up with thorough wisdom. but we may expect something like... "it is possible that Jesus wasnt a pure caucasian male". or "We have reason to believe that Jesus presented a mix of sorts". or something to that effect. there's a world of racist christians who wont take it well let's just say.

as a Jesuit priest, i think he may well go with the term ive adopted. a term not foreign to them at all. meso-asiatic(meso-asianic). meaning he was a mix of peoples from mesopotamian/babylonian region and asians. the meso regions included blacks and whites.. so.. easy pickins. EVERYBODY EENSIDE!!

Who (besides the racist Christians) still believed Jesus was white. I thought it was common knowledge that the blue eyed blond hair depiction of Jesus wasn't based on any real evidence (from the bible or otherwise).

[Slartibartfast]

Blues after reading your posts I can't tell if you are joking on not. If you aren't joking and you are completely serious I think that you should talk to a professional about what you are going through. I feel kind of bad for seriously arguing with you now.

[bluesclues]

you can all talk and bash me. but meanwhile i just sent a few hundred scholars reeling when i informed them of Jesus true race. i provided them with irrefutable evidence. thus, you can expect the pope to make an announcement on Jesus true race after much delay and deliberation.

So what was his race?
What was the evidence?
When can we expect the Pope to make an announcement by?

he was mixed race. thus.. not pure white.. AT ALLLL

The evidence was in their very own scripture of the old testament. the full description of the family tree of divinity, it's offspring and their marriages, the nations they formed. following the family tree it is clear not only how each of the races began, but how they mixed themselves into the bloodline of Christ in i believe... perfectly equal amounts. guided by God to prevent genetic abnormalities between the 3 families of the sons of Noah, .. Shem, Ham and Japheth, who were asian, black and caucasian respectively.

he should make the anouncement when he figures out how he is going to word it. it is unlikely he will take the brazzen approach as it will require some backing up with thorough wisdom. but we may expect something like... "it is possible that Jesus wasnt a pure caucasian male". or "We have reason to believe that Jesus presented a mix of sorts". or something to that effect. there's a world of racist christians who wont take it well let's just say.

as a Jesuit priest, i think he may well go with the term ive adopted. a term not foreign to them at all. meso-asiatic(meso-asianic). meaning he was a mix of peoples from mesopotamian/babylonian region and asians. the meso regions included blacks and whites.. so.. easy pickins. EVERYBODY EENSIDE!!

Who (besides the racist Christians) still believed Jesus was white. I thought it was common knowledge that the blue eyed blond hair depiction of Jesus wasn't based on any real evidence (from the bible or otherwise).

and indians believe he was indian? and muslims believe he was arab? and the list goes on and on. as it turns out. everyone does have a claim to the divine bloodline. and through that line the sins of all the tribes were redeemed with the coming and death of Christ. worked out pretty well. I would expect no less from God.

[Habit7]

[Cantmis]

Jesus was a jew...

[bluesclues]

Blues after reading your posts I can't tell if you are joking on not. If you aren't joking and you are completely serious I think that you should talk to a professional about what you are going through. I feel kind of bad for seriously arguing with you now.

i know you wanted the full report and not a tale about the report itself lol. but i will post that later on. i will wait to see if the pope addresses the issue before christmas for now. for now, take it for the final message

that Jesus was mixed race. not entirely white, not entirely black, not entirely arab or indian, not entirely asian. And part God. DemiGod, Deity whatever you want to use.

and that statement is the statement i will stand by.

[Slartibartfast]

LMFAO

You arguments continue to get more and more sad. But then again you aren't interested in the truth at all. What indication is there that these men were infallible?

This video is just one big sad appeal to authority.

[bluesclues]

i found the video to be quite fun. it wasnt so well presented when i read about it. only problem with it is it presents science as though it only began in the 1600s by religious people. but science began before that.. way be fore that.. 5000 yrs before that. literally.

[Habit7]

LMFAO

You arguments continue to get more and more sad. But then again you aren't interested in the truth at all. What indication is there that these men were infallible?

This video is just one big sad appeal to authority.

Well it flies in face of comments like:

There are scientists that have contributed more to our understanding of the world around us than the entirety of the existence of the Church and it's teachings.

He kept religion and science separate as any good scientist does

I said science disproves religion

The video is about theists and atheists (I am sure you didn't get that far) quotes about how their science results in their religious thought. It is no appeal to authority. I guess this is another time when you sling around a term without knowing or using it in its proper context.

This however, is an appeal to authority:

I hate to appeal to authority but I make a slight exception in this case so take it as you will. It's been a couple years since I read Krauss' book "A Universe From Nothing". I would be lying if I said I remembered a lot of it right now.

[Slartibartfast]

So an ad hominem attack is how you reply? Habit, what exactly is your point?

You post a video with quotations of opinionated quotes about God as though that is supposed to prove some truth. Then you quote where I pointed out my own appeal to authority as though it's some big deal. I literally started off by noting my own possible error. Even then, my appeal to authority was to unbiased facts, not emotional prejudiced quotations.

Here is where your confusion lies. You still liken atheism to religion. There are some atheists that operate on some sort of faith (see earlier post) but it is not the same type of faith and faith is not needed. There are some atheists that are biased (some of Krauss' opinions are for example) but bias is not needed and is actually frowned upon.

Religion NEEDS blind faith. It is impossible to be religious without it. Being religious is by definition being biased as you have pointed out. Being biased is actually praised as being strong in your faith.

Science is the quest for truth. Religion is just the quest to continue preaching.

Like I said, when you start to look at things unbiasedly, atheism is the only conclusion. Or at the very least agnosticism where the likelihood of God existing is just as likely as Him being blues clues or an alternate universe existing where Harry Potter is a documentary. Just because these things are impossible to disprove doesn't mean I have any reason to believe it or acknowledge that it may be true.

[Habit7]

So an ad hominem attack is how you reply? Habit, what exactly is your point? Where?

You post a video with quotations of opinionated quotes about God as though that is supposed to prove some truth. Aren't your views "opinionated quotes" as well.Then you quote where I pointed out my own appeal to authority as though it's some big deal. I literally started off by noting my own possible error. Even then, my appeal to authority was to unbiased facts, not emotional prejudiced quotations. A book by Krauss is unbiased facts? By your standard it is just a long opinionated quote?
There are some atheists that are biased (some of Krauss' opinions are for example) but bias is not needed and is actually frowned upon.

Define blind faith.
Is believing in a world naturally coming from nothing blind faith?

[megadoc1]

Slartibartfast ,where did an ad hominem attack took place?
that was an unfair ,unjust call .....
hope you not just throwing stuff out there to make debate

[bluesclues]

Slartibartfast ,where did an ad hominem attack took place?
that was an unfair ,unjust call .....
hope you not just throwing stuff out there to make debate

he just full a shyt. he will say anything and deny anything. bottom line he not belivin in no God. leff him.


u aint see he is not having a logical discussion. read back his posts starting from a few days ago. look at the rhetoric. basically any time some provides him good logic that supports a religious view, he refuses and pretends not to see the logic. he claims its not there and circles around the world running and hiding from the actually topic of debate which he is losing and lost at the point in time. as he loses he tries to circle again picking out a new topic in someone's response.. never letting anyone get to the bottom of it. its just a shifting sands technique. hes a waste of time.

[Slartibartfast]

Megadoc well tell me what was the purpose of Habit's pevious post. What point was he trying to make. Habit feel free to chime in on what your intentions were because none of that post responded to anything I said about it. You just dragged up some of my quotations out of context.

Not to mention the video doesn't disprove on megate any of my quotations. It doesn't say how the church contributed to science. It doesn't show science proves religion. It doesn't show if or how the church affected the outcome of the scientific experiments. Was there a "Jesus" or "God" anywhere in the results of any experiments that are still acceptable today?

Some things I say are opinionated. These things are normally prefaced by "I think" or "I think that". Some things I say are not opinionated, like my disproof of your previous argument for God. None of my arguments were personal. Just like in Krass' book some of what he wrote concerning the implications of his scientific results was opinionated but his science and the results he obtained were not.

Beause there is no real proof for God or religion anytime someone mentions anything about religion it is opinionated. Even saying God does not exist is slightly opinionated in the same way I say bluesclues is not Jesus or Harry Potter is not a documentary in a parallel universe. There is no definitive evide against it but there is no reason to believe it is true. Also, there is no added benefit to believing it to be true and it has no significance in the real world so I choose to assume it false.

This is similar to some scientific assumptions made. I shall assume it true and continue to build upon it until something prooves otherwise.

But please, keep those weak arguments coming.

[Slartibartfast]

Slartibartfast ,where did an ad hominem attack took place?
that was an unfair ,unjust call .....
hope you not just throwing stuff out there to make debate

he just full a shyt. he will say anything and deny anything. bottom line he not belivin in no God. leff him.


u aint see he is not having a logical discussion. read back his posts starting from a few days ago. look at the rhetoric. basically any time some provides him good logic that supports a religious view, he refuses and pretends not to see the logic. he claims its not there and circles around the world running and hiding from the actually topic of debate which he is losing and lost at the point in time. as he loses he tries to circle again picking out a new topic in someone's response.. never letting anyone get to the bottom of it. its just a shifting sands technique. hes a waste of time.

LMAO. You seem to forget who ended the last discussion because they are not about winning arguments but aim to preach.

I have also stopped replying to your posts because I think that you need help that I can't provide and I feel bad for taking advantage of you in your mental handicapped state.

[bluesclues]

Slartibartfast ,where did an ad hominem attack took place?
that was an unfair ,unjust call .....
hope you not just throwing stuff out there to make debate

he just full a shyt. he will say anything and deny anything. bottom line he not belivin in no God. leff him.


u aint see he is not having a logical discussion. read back his posts starting from a few days ago. look at the rhetoric. basically any time some provides him good logic that supports a religious view, he refuses and pretends not to see the logic. he claims its not there and circles around the world running and hiding from the actually topic of debate which he is losing and lost at the point in time. as he loses he tries to circle again picking out a new topic in someone's response.. never letting anyone get to the bottom of it. its just a shifting sands technique. hes a waste of time.

LMAO. You seem to forget who ended the last discussion because they are not about winning arguments but aim to preach.

I have also stopped replying to your posts because I think that you need help that I can't provide and I feel bad for taking advantage of you in your mental handicapped state.

say what you want, but eventually everyone will see what im saying is true. you are not here to get logical reasoning that could lead to the acceptance that there is meaningful reason to believe in a God.

you are here to refute every possible argument that supports the iew. u dont care if the view is correct or true. but if it supports the idea of a Sentient Creator known as God, you are going to have none of it. so im very right to be more focused on preaching so that others who choose to take my words will learn than on you. u wouldnt admit it. u change topic and let the discussion open ended. u doing it. avoiding. u are a deceiver.

in every way i showed u that your own philosophy of life cannot compete with centuries of scholars of devoted intellect to the topic. ud have to be a total idiot to think so. and dont worry, theres a reason why i dont call u mentally retarded, i dont want to hurt your feelings.