2022 Murder Toll Thread

[pugboy]

yes, but also the level of violent home invasions right now is a bigger indicator
nobody is safe at home

[Dohplaydat]

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Nice work Frank, I wouldn't say crime wave, the last 4 months have been 60+ on 3 occasions.

So more like new average has been established.

Two months of 60 would put us at 630

[FrankChag]

murders is not the only indicator of crime

Yes, but on its own it is sufficient.

"As a readily measurable indicator, [intentional] homicide is both a reasonable proxy for violent crime and a robust indicator of levels of violence.."

https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-an ... oklet1.pdf

yes, but also the level of violent home invasions right now is a bigger indicator
nobody is safe at home

Specific crimes such as home invasions, kidnapping, etc should be measured by people responsible for analyzing these details, and making policies and decisions, eg the PM, Minister, CoP, Criminologists, etc. For the regular joe like me, murders are a "robust indicator of levels of violence".

[pugboy]

agreed
murders are certainly a key indicator, however in the past under commissioner williams I recall he saying something about homicides/murders were gang related and giving the impression that once you not involved in that line of business then you safe from crime in general
this is definitely no longer the case

a gang related murder is not very related statistically to home invasions and general robberies
apart from the fact that many home invasions are committed by the same organized gangs.

[hover11]

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Nice work Frank, I wouldn't say crime wave, the last 4 months have been 60+ on 3 occasions.

So more like new average has been established.

Two months of 60 would put us at 630

So we treating murders like covid deaths , who dead dead and who live live....

[pugboy]

more like who is a victim of crime is a victim, who is not, is not

[The_Honourable]

Good work FrankChag.

Now for the "all hands on deck" and "measures will take time" speeches.

[pugboy]

and the “social” measures to move these ppl away from a life of crime

[FrankChag]

I really just hoping someone in charge is listening.

[The_Honourable]

and a "minister in the ministry" of national security would be appointed...

I really just hoping someone in charge is listening.

Until it hits home to them, hope is futile.

[hover11]

Doesn't benefit them in any form to listen. That means that they have to actually do work which they are being paid to do. Especially where regardless of performance ppl will reward them and re elect them for another five years.

I really just hoping someone in charge is listening.

[pugboy]

who are the mp’s for the areas which are most rampant with crime?

[Cantmis]

Heard on a radio station the reason for high rates of crime is the opposition not working with the government.

[hover11]

Hinds, Stuart young, Rowley ....the unholy trinity

who are the mp’s for the areas which are most rampant with crime?

[hover11]

Aside from anti gang legislation,in their SEVEN years of governance what other noteworthy laws has this government brought forward in Parliament to curb crime? Blame kamla card could only work for so long....

Heard on a radio station the reason for high rates of crime is the opposition not working with the government.

[pugboy]

adrian leonce and keith scotland also

Hinds, Stuart young, Rowley ....the unholy trinity

who are the mp’s for the areas which are most rampant with crime?

[MaxPower]

Sooo Trinis bawling 500 and 600 and then what?

As Jason said, they treating it just like Covid…..i.e fantasizing and going ouuuu and ahhhh and weyyyy for every time the numbers end in zeroes.

[pugboy]

bringing new laws not going to help much,
I dont think anybody or few has been convicted under the much ballyhooed antigang legislation

crime detection rates are poor, police for the most part are hard working but operate a certain level which is just not enough and the leadership is not there to go after criminals who operate smarter and smarter
the police know who and where the criminals are but dont have the wherewithall to go after them or let them know what time of the day it is.

for example in my experience
my parents suffered a bad daytime home invasion earlier this year
the task force cops who came on the scene immediately and were looking at the cctv footage immediately identified a car which was constantly circling the block and had arrived at the same exact time as the getaway(stolen) car. They knew the driver as a senior gang member who recruits youngsters to commit crimes.
yet nothing was done and when I mentioned it to the senior insp my local station he was not interested in that information.

as fate would happen, I happened to go to a gas station a week later and the same car was in front of me
I took pics of the car and person and again showed the detective this information to no avail.

furthermore later this year there was an attempted hit on the leader of a pos gang, when I googled his name
I saw that in his previous charges he was held with several others for ar15 possession sometime ago and one of the pics of them was the same guy I saw in front of me.
again I gave the cops this information with nada motions.

imagine I could just happen to work out this "intelligence" on my own and I not working CID or in those areas to know the bosses who run things.

one thing for sure under GG he had MH going in them holes after them pests to let them know they know where they are

[paid_influencer]

Aside from anti gang legislation,in their SEVEN years of governance what other noteworthy laws has this government brought forward in Parliament to curb crime? Blame kamla card could only work for so long....

Heard on a radio station the reason for high rates of crime is the opposition not working with the government.

my MP brought the Civil Asset Forfeiture ("explain your wealth") legislation which has been successfully used to bleed gangs dry financially

[pugboy]

were cases of this made public ?
what about all them gold chains they wear costing 6 figures ?

my MP brought the Civil Asset Forfeiture ("explain your wealth") legislation which has been successfully used to bleed gangs dry financially

[paid_influencer]

furthermore later this year there was an attempted hit on the leader of a pos gang, when I googled his name
I saw that in his previous charges he was held with several others for ar15 possession sometime ago and one of the pics of them was the same guy I saw in front of me.
again I gave the cops this information with nada motions.

previous assault rifle charges and outside doing crimes

legitimately failed state status

[hover11]

How about ppl with multiple businesses(fronts) that generating little or no revenue but the businesses continue to exist. Until we get serious and start clamping down on these kind of initiatives then crime will always remain unabated.

were cases of this made public ?
what about all them gold chains they wear costing 6 figures ?

my MP brought the Civil Asset Forfeiture ("explain your wealth") legislation which has been successfully used to bleed gangs dry financially

[pugboy]

heinz say he offered words of encouragement

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Exactly what inbert and Stuart doing in a crime meeting ???? Might as well invite the cmo and Terrence

[maj. tom]

they are major stakeholders after all.

[hover11]

Imbert representing the business community to give them the heads up on what coming and Stuart young , minister of everything, doing what he usually does.

Exactly what inbert and Stuart doing in a crime meeting ???? Might as well invite the cmo and Terrence

[pugboy]

as usual rowlee ain’t have nuthin to say
he pass the buck to heinz and farmer

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Possible 509: unidentified male shot and killed in caura....vicinity of the EMR

Identified as andell small....

[shake d livin wake d dead]

May have to add 2 more...one in p.o.s and the other in arima

[shake d livin wake d dead]

510: o neil nicholas shot and killed in laventille