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Postby N_A_K » February 11th, 2009, 3:08 pm

i should really start burning less $ :(

still spending $200-$300 after class atleast twice a week on drinks in tgi

still spending $50 to $100 on lunch everytime i have class, for myself, burger king or mongolian grill

and these days i collecting alcohol, daz a next money burner there :(


doh talk bout gas,

i doz make all kinda random drives for nothing north to south then back to north then central then south again all in one day, just to lime.

usually spend $600 plus a week in gas, van almost reach 300,000 KM


today i gorn n buy two teddy bears for $300 each , cuz they was looking nice :|


i think i have a spending problem :(

N_A_K

Postby N_A_K » February 11th, 2009, 3:10 pm

i was always poor and never use 2 spend money

so now i just doh have money, and cant spend it :(

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Recession-proof your finances..

Postby ray d saint » May 11th, 2009, 7:41 am

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/mone ... ces-ov.htm

A good read, a bit late as this came out in April of 2008, but still some food for thought! 8-)


There are things you can do to cushion the blow if the economy continues downward...

Predicting a recession is like forecasting a storm—it’s difficult to know exactly when the first sprinkles will start, when the final drops will hit the pavement, and precisely what might happen in between. But like a storm that leaves damage in its wake, a recession can have a serious impact on your finances, including your investments, the value of your home, and the security of your job. So it's wise to be prepared, even when the forecast isn't clear.

Simply put, a recession describes an economy that's shrinking rather than growing. One barometer is the gross domestic product—the total market value of the final goods and services produced in the U.S. When that drops for six straight months, many economists conclude that a recession has taken hold.

The GDP grew by an annual rate of just 0.6 percent in the fourth quarter of 2007, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. And many experts believe that it is sputtering even more in the first quarter of 2008 under the weight of downturns in the housing and financial sectors. Still, since the GDP grew by 4.9 percent in the third quarter of 2007, we've yet to hit the six-month stretch that some say signals a recession.

But that's just one indicator. Moody's Economy.com assembles a monthly "risk of recession" index based on eight factors, including the Standard and Poor's 500 Index, first-time unemployment claims, consumer confidence, and new housing permits. Are we in a recession? By February 2008, that index stood at 62 percent, up from 16 percent in May 2007. "It is no longer a question of if, but rather how severe the economic downturn will be," concludes Ryan Sweet, an economist at Moody's.

Citing soaring energy prices and a paltry rate of economic growth, Robert Parks, a finance professor at Pace University in New York, contends that a recession isn't merely possible—it's already arrived. "A growth rate of 1 percent is pitifully poor, and the prospects don't look any better," he says. "The buying power of consumers has gone nowhere. We're in a recession right now."

While some analysts have been hesitant in labeling the current economic crisis as a recession, there's no question that these are rocky times for many. Consumers are feeling the pinch of rising prices for food and gasoline and of declining home values. The Federal Reserve is scrambling to keep the economy from stagnating (it cut rates six times between September 2007 and March 2008, when it bailed out financial giant Bear Stearns.) And the stock market remains wildly volatile. So it makes sense to shore up your financial defenses.

Following are four areas of your financial life—investments, housing, borrowing, and employment—that might be affected by an economic decline, along with measures you can take to help cushion the blow.


Investments

Illustration by Bob EcksteinA recession can clearly have a short-term effect on stock prices. A look back at the recession that occurred between July 1990 and March 1991 offers ample evidence. According to Moody's, the S&P 500 fell from 356 to a low of 304 in October 1990. Then it started a steady climb, surging past 400 by the end of 1991.

Follow that chronological lead with your investments. If your goals are long-term—say you're in your 40s and saving for retirement—you have more than enough time to ride out any short-term price drops that might happen during a recession. To do that as comfortably as possible, take care to build a portfolio based on your goals and risk tolerance—one that you're confident sticking with if the market turns south.

Charlie Massimo of CJM Fiscal Management, a financial-planning firm in Garden City, N.Y., recommends that you diversify your portfolio by investing in different asset classes that don't move in tandem. "Dissimilar price-movement diversification protects you from having all your investments go down at the same time," he says.

Here are some other approaches for helping you deal with recession-fueled market volatility:


Maintain your stock holdings by dollar-cost averaging. This age-old strategy involves, as you may know, investing a set amount of money at regular intervals, regardless of price movement. As devotees of the practice will tell you, you'll get fewer shares when prices are rising but more when they're falling, resulting in a lower overall average price. Perhaps more important, though, the approach helps you maintain a long-term perspective.

Look for low-risk stocks. Beta is a measure of how a stock reacts to movement of the overall markets. The higher the beta, the greater the stock's volatility. To limit losses during a down market, consider stocks with a low beta—ideally 1 or less. For instance, many utility stocks have betas of 1 and lower. Managed-volatility funds—ones that invest heavily in low-beta stocks and other equities that hold up well in down markets—are another option.

You can find a stock's beta on brokerage research reports, and often on investment Web sites like E-Trade and Yahoo Finance. Many investment companies include mutual-fund betas on their Web site and in their prospectus.

Housing

Official recession or not, home sales have taken a beating of late, as they tend to do in a recession. The National Association of Realtors reported recently that, despite a slight monthly rise, home sales in February 2008 were still down 23.8 percent from the prior year. And home prices were also down: In February the national median existing-home price was $195,900, down 8.2 percent from a year earlier, when the average was $213,500.

Here are some survival strategies:

If you don't have to sell, don't. A down housing market can make even the most attractive property difficult to move. "If you don't need to put your house on the market, wait until the slowdown passes and conditions are more favorable," says Ted Koebel, a senior associate at Virginia Tech's Center for Housing Research.

If you must sell, be flexible. A down housing market doesn't necessarily mean you have to lower your asking price. But you might, especially if comparable homes in your area are selling for less. In any case, you will probably need to be open to lower bids. "In a strong market, with an asking price of $300,000, I might not accept anything below $290,000," Koebel says. "When prices are down, I might look very carefully at something as low as $260,000."

Work on curb appeal. Homes that show well to potential buyers tend to be easier to sell in a down market. Koebel notes that there are a number of low-cost improvements that can greatly boost a home's attractiveness, such as a fresh coat of paint, flowers, shrubs, mulch, and other elements to heighten drive-by appeal. "Look at the landscaping at new properties if you want to emulate what buyers are interested in," he says.

If you're buying, be aggressive but don't overextend. Recessionary conditions can create a strong buyer's market, putting homes within reach that you wouldn't have been able to afford before. But don't go too far out on a limb. If you find yourself tempted to stretch to land that so-called dream home, you might end up putting too large a share of your finances into one asset. "Investors always limit risk through diversity," Koebel says. "Real estate, like all investments, is simply never a sure thing."

Borrowing

In recessionary periods, the silver lining for consumers is that interest rates often decline, making borrowing less expensive. That is entirely by design, says Sweet, the economist at Moody's.

During the 1990-91 recession, for example, the Federal Reserve gradually reduced the federal funds rate from 8 percent to 6 percent in an effort to ramp up the economy. "The reduction in short-term interest rates reduces the real cost of borrowing," notes Sweet. "This is important for stimulating economic growth, as lower interest rates entice consumers to take on additional debt to finance their consumption."

And the Fed has been on a rate-cutting spree lately. In late March, after six rate reductions since September, the federal funds rate was just 2.25 percent, down from 4.75 percent seven months earlier.

Lower rates present you with opportunities to reduce the cost of your debt:

Lock in your mortgage. As of early April 2008, 30-year fixed mortgages were still below 7 percent. If you’re in the market for a mortgage, look for a fixed-rate loan. If you're stuck with an adjustable-rate mortgage that is about to reset, however, you may be facing good news. Adjustable-rate mortgages, a large culprit of the subprime housing meltdown, are expected to reset at lower rates after the continued Fed cuts, says Keith Gumbinger, vice president of HSH Associates, the nation’s largest publisher of consumer loan information.

Trim consumer debt. Just because interest rates are low, that's still no reason to load up on consumer debt, such as credit cards and auto loans. If possible, pay them down before rates climb.
As an alternative, fold the loans into refinancing your mortgage or into a home-equity loan (unlike consumer debt, the interest is tax-deductible up to certain limits). Keeping your debt level low is particularly important if there is any question about your job security.

Employment

An old joke says that a recession is when your neighbor loses his job; a depression is when you lose yours. But history shows that a recession's effect on employment is no laughing matter. For example, the unemployment rate rose from 5.5 percent in July 1990 to 6.8 percent in March 1991, putting roughly 1.66 million more Americans out of work during that recession.

Recently the current employment picture became bleaker. The U.S. Department of Labor estimated that the country lost 63,000 jobs in February 2008, the second straight monthly decrease.

Here are some suggestions for hedging your employment bets:

Get additional training. Employers are less likely to lay off people with specialized skills. So investigate classes and other forms of training that can boost your value. "If you're thinking of getting a master's degree, do it now before it becomes necessary," says Roberta Chinsky Matuson, a principal at Human Resource Solutions in Northampton, Mass.

Diversify your job skills. If you're an engineer, an MBA can make an appealing complement. The same goes for salespeople who have solid technical skills. "Companies tend to keep people who can do more than one job," Matuson says.

Update your resume now. If you are laid off, you want to be ready to hit the ground running.

Build your network of contacts. Develop and maintain a broad professional network. Moreover, keep in touch regardless of whether you're looking for work or not. "You don't want to be known as the guy who only calls someone when he needs a job," Matuson says.

Set up an emergency fund. If the worst happens and a recession costs you your job, you'll probably need every penny you can get your hands on. Prepare by saving money in an emergency fund—from three to six months' living expenses, if possible. Keep it in a safe and accessible place, such as a money-market fund, that isn't subject to price drops.

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Postby vimal_vs » May 11th, 2009, 7:52 am

^ it have tuners saying that???
LOL
dumb asses

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Postby Riley2008 » May 11th, 2009, 7:52 am

Very good information provided ray786.

Really can't ran from the recession, but one can put measures in place to ensure that you are relatively financially stable.

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"Trinidad and Tobago is in recession" says C.B.

Postby pablo_tt » August 4th, 2009, 11:47 pm

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161513467

YES IT'S HERE
Central Bank figures point to recession; negative growth recorded

Camille Bethel cbethel@trinidadexpress.com

Wednesday, August 5th 2009
Trinidad and Tobago is in recession - according to data released by the Central Bank.

During the period October 2008 to March 2009 the country's economic growth fell by more than four per cent.

The first quarter of 2009 showed a -3.3 decline in real GDP while the last quarter of 2008 showed a 1.1 per cent dip.

The statistics for the second quarter of 2009 have not yet been released.

A recession, according to the definition accepted by most economists, is when there are two successive quarters of economic decline in a country's Gross Domestic Product (GDP).

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) advises that a broader number of indicators be used to ascertain whether or not a country is facing a recession.

A breakdown of the Central Bank's Summary of Economic Indicators posted on its website on July 23 shows that the country has not only experienced two successive quarters of negative economic growth in its real GDP but declines across several sectors.

Last week Prime Minister Patrick Manning, during a breakfast meeting at La Romaine, advised the population to "release" their belts and breathe a little by taking advantage of existing opportunities in the financial sector, Central Bank Governor Ewart Williams said recently that available data showed that the Trinidad and Tobago economy was decelerating faster than anticipated and the country would likely register zero, or even negative GDP growth this year.

He maintained that the country's economy was not in recession but in "stagnation".

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Postby 200sx » August 4th, 2009, 11:50 pm

well people realy ain't acting like not even we beloved PM :twisted:

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Postby .:PROZAC:.. » August 4th, 2009, 11:54 pm

how we does get everything so late dred?

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Postby southside connections » August 5th, 2009, 12:14 am

is when he say-

yuh cud loosen the belt


dais when u have to tighten it at most

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Postby eurogirl » August 5th, 2009, 12:54 am

it had to go to Barbados 1st .. its an island economic tremble down de islands ..

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Postby MISHI » August 5th, 2009, 12:55 am

pioneer wrote:But ent our PM said Trinidad has weathered the storm and now we can help other islands out of the crisis?


and don't forget about corn soup and doubles.... you must remember that.

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Postby - Rovin's car audio - » August 5th, 2009, 1:18 am

CB damn lie ! - we fadda manning say slacken yuh belt so we going with dat ! ....












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Postby pugboy » August 5th, 2009, 1:28 am

this is the same manning who make a budget and say global crisis not affecting us
then turn around and revise the budget and then later say to tighten belts ?

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Postby bluefete » August 5th, 2009, 2:51 am

But ent the CB man say dat when he look out he window he doh see no recession??

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Postby Victory_Specification » August 5th, 2009, 5:27 am

Since Mr. PM said 'trinidad is immune from the effects of the global financial crisis' I knew we were screwed indefinitely. We are being governed by idiots.

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Postby Damien » August 5th, 2009, 5:32 am

No sheit :|

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Postby M_2NR » August 5th, 2009, 6:06 am

aite ah selling ting doe forget to support d fellow tuner in hard times...

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Postby hustla_ambition101 » August 5th, 2009, 6:06 am

Ray786 isn't gonna be happy :| :lol:

On another note, the CB reeeeeaaaaal late, everyone but the Gov't and the same CB knew this months ago. Another major indicator was the sudden drop in inflation, less money chasing the goods due to high levels of unemployment. Oh well.........loosen yuh belt

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Postby dbaby » August 5th, 2009, 6:08 am

All this time no body ent find out what this man smoking? :lol:

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Postby xtech » August 5th, 2009, 7:03 am

21st Apr 2009
Pay cut: Principle or expediency

Written by Chris in Opinion No Comments →



Are Caribbean governments leading by example in these tough economic times?

That’s the question BBC Caribbean is asking in light of Jamaica Prime Minister Bruce Golding’s decision to cut his salary by 15 per cent.

In Trinidad Prime Minister Patrick Manning says his country is “more difficult to govern nowâ€

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Postby bean_head » August 5th, 2009, 7:06 am

we're not in a recession... our honourable PM said that we should now loosen our belts... the CB doesnt know wat they're talking about :?

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Postby ray d saint » August 5th, 2009, 7:35 am

buh dis is late news, since the last quarter economist saying we in a recession, and the arses tellin them, "do not mislead the public". Things like this doh happen over night!! is the two pass quarters recorded negative economic growth, which is defined by a slowing or reduction in GDP!


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Postby evo-STI-k » August 5th, 2009, 7:37 am

ent allyuh cuntfcuk of ah PM say tuh loosen yuh belts, bend over at the same time and tek a hefty handful of pnm piggy in yuh arses.

proves what a bunch of incompetent fcukheads we have running this country.

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Postby noshownogo » August 5th, 2009, 7:53 am

evo-STI-k, yuh hold back on us man, let us know how you really feel :lol:

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Postby White CZ4A » August 5th, 2009, 8:15 am

southside connections wrote:is when he say-

yuh cud loosen the belt


dais when u have to tighten it at most



I sure real ppl actually listened to the man eh... :?
dumb a$$es

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Postby evo-STI-k » August 5th, 2009, 8:31 am

actually a few businesses have reported increased sales in the last month , BUt the items that were purchased are in HOPEs of increased demand- which as they find out soon will NOT be there for another year or more.

watch and see.

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Postby neilsingh100 » August 5th, 2009, 10:27 am

Trinidad is not going to see growth for at least 3 years. The best that government can do is try to hold unemployment at 6-7% and hold the economy steady at the level it is now.

Government was pumping money into the economy fuleing inflation and now their cash flow is greatly diminshed beacuse of low energy prices and CL bailout.

If they were smart they would have saved the money during the boom and spent it during the bust. This way you will get much better value for money.

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Postby evo-STI-k » August 5th, 2009, 12:01 pm

neilsingh100 wrote:Trinidad is not going to see growth for at least 3 years. The best that government can do is try to hold unemployment at 6-7% and hold the economy steady at the level it is now.

Unemployment is actually much HIGHER! especially seeing as CEPEP is NOT considered employmentGovernment was pumping money into the economy fuleing inflation and now their cash flow is greatly diminshed beacuse of low energy prices and CL bailout.

If they were smart they would have saved the money during the boom and spent it during the bust. This way you will get much better value for money.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: thats the best joke i have bheard all year.

SMARt and the pnm do NOT belong in the same sentence. a more appropriate word woudl be ignorant, stupid, unknowing, cheating, greedy, power hungry, dictatorship

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Postby teems1 » August 5th, 2009, 2:41 pm

evo-STI-k wrote:
neilsingh100 wrote:Trinidad is not going to see growth for at least 3 years. The best that government can do is try to hold unemployment at 6-7% and hold the economy steady at the level it is now.

Unemployment is actually much HIGHER! especially seeing as CEPEP is NOT considered employmentGovernment was pumping money into the economy fuleing inflation and now their cash flow is greatly diminshed beacuse of low energy prices and CL bailout.

If they were smart they would have saved the money during the boom and spent it during the bust. This way you will get much better value for money.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: thats the best joke i have bheard all year.

SMARt and the pnm do NOT belong in the same sentence. a more appropriate word woudl be ignorant, stupid, unknowing, cheating, greedy, power hungry, dictatorship


ignorant - check
stupid - check
unknowing - check
cheating - check
greedy - check
power hungry - check
dictatorship - fail

The people voted them in. Let them reap the rewards.

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