Ish & Steve... Piarco Update - State Wins US100M in Miami

[Habit7]

Tell us more about the secret scholarship scandal. Someone put this to rest no more than 2 weeks ago in some ched and u had nothing again to say on it.

Yeah me

rfari they rel picking on you. Why they dont try me, whenever I answer their baseless claims they act like if they didnt see it even though they have the thread open and refreshing every minute.

[pioneer]

Independence was the worst thing to ever happen to trinidad.

[rfari]

Tell us more about the secret scholarship scandal. Someone put this to rest no more than 2 weeks ago in some ched and u had nothing again to say on it.

Yeah me

rfari they rel picking on you. Why they dont try me, whenever I answer their baseless claims they act like if they didnt see it even though they have the thread open and refreshing every minute.

You don't beat around the bush with them but I like to get insight into how these un-evolved trinbagonians like uml think. So I entertain the comversation once I have the time.

[White CZ4A]

Independence was the worst thing to ever happen to trinidad.

ent!

[Habit7]

Independence was the worst thing to ever happen to trinidad.

Not really.

Turks and Caicos corruption got so bad recently the UK gov't had to rush in a run the colony for a while until they could re-elect a native gov't.

The former premier became a millionaire while in office, married a C-rate Hollywood actress and lived it up until the UK squash the party.

That very thing could have happen here or even worst.

[zoom rader]

Independence was the worst thing to ever happen to trinidad.

Not really.

Turks and Caicos corruption got so bad recently the UK gov't had to rush in a run the colony for a while until they could re-elect a native gov't.

The former premier became a millionaire while in office, married a C-rate Hollywood actress and lived it up until the UK squash the party.

That very thing could have happen here or even worst.

But dude, all this happened here under the Eric Williams and the PNM, have you all forgotten Prevat Johnny O, Gas station racket ect?

[pugboy]

what do you expect when you let animals go

let us not forget haiti was one of the first to become independent

Independence was the worst thing to ever happen to trinidad.

[sMASH]

the statement in and of itself is not the complete reason for these things happening.

the reason why it was bad was because people were not mature enough to have such power and resources available to them. the regulatory systems were set up to be managed by the top persons, and they relied on the morals of those in command to run fairly.

even self if the trinis still remain greedy and selfish, if the systems were set up to deter, detect and prosecute corruption, we could have worked with that.

look how america is set up. most of what u hear about their constitution are what i agree with. i understand the right to bare arms and the right to freedom of speech. each helps the other.
they may not be completely correct, but they certainly are not on the bad side of the spectrum of the most corrupt nations. as well as the system their citizens grow up in, have them thinking that they're the best in the world, and most of the world think that as well.

this country and the people who live here, pearls before swine.

[InDeForest]

Since some of y'all don't seem to know, trinidad has been wildly corrupt for centuries before independence in 1962. The british couldn't stop it, why delude yourself into thinking we ever had or could continue to have a utopia colony?

[eliteauto]

yesterday lawyers on behalf of both men filed separate applications in the High Court under the new section to have their cases dropped and a verdict of not guilty entered against them............... well played Mr AG, well played

[pete]

So.. if the charges are dropped and there is nothing to charge them for now, what happens if the US asks for them to be extradited again?

[eliteauto]

more than likely nothing, the AG said T&T is the best forum to try them and they would face the local courts hence his decision not to appeal the quashing of the extradition order, to attempt extradition again would possibly be considered "oppressive" . However I wonder if they can travel to the U.S. again

[brams112]

Who knows if this loophole that exist was a law that the ag made,or it existed already?Beacuse the other holy party that grasping for straws did not accomplish their task when they were there trying all kinds of stalling strategy also.

[eliteauto]

Who knows if this loophole that exist was a law that the ag made,or it existed already?Beacuse the other holy party that grasping for straws did not accomplish their task when they were there trying all kinds of stalling strategy also.

a couple FACTS
1) the previous legal team ( put together by the last Gov't) had successfully on 9 occasions won all matters raised by the defense all the way to the Privy Council, these were some of the stalling tactics of the defense is having the matter tried
2) the current AG Anand Ramlogan changed the legal team and his selected team LOST on it's first time out

3) The "loophole" is no loophole it was included in the legislation and ironically was the first area to be proclaimed, there are other areas of the Act that will not come into force until next year

[pete]

more than likely nothing, the AG said T&T is the best forum to try them and they would face the local courts hence his decision not to appeal the quashing of the extradition order, to attempt extradition again would possibly be considered "oppressive" . However I wonder if they can travel to the U.S. again

Aren't they still wanted in the US on the charges there? To me that means that they can't go to the US or anywhere else where they may likely face extradition to the US unless they want to get tried.

[eliteauto]

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-09- ... -and-steve’s-extradition-ag-ignored-legal-advice

QC on appeal over Ish and Steve’s extradition: AG ignored legal advice

Businessmen Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson would face a speedy trial in local courts if they were not extradited. Attorney General Anand Ramlogan gave this assurance to Queen’s Counsel James Lewis last year. Ramlogan retained Lewis to advise on what course of action, if any, should be taken after the November 11, 2011, ruling of Justice Ronnie Boodoosingh against extraditing the two, who are also financiers of the current Government. Lewis' 19-page advice, which has been obtained by the T&T Guardian, was submitted to Ramlogan and dated December 17. In it, Lewis outlines the chronology of the men's legal woes. The document also listed the numerous errors Lewis considered Boodoosingh had made in deciding the two businessmen should remain in T&T. On page 18, Lewis listed the practical consequences of appealing Boodoosingh's decision, noting the judge’s reasoning contained errors on the issue of the appropriate forum for trying the businessmen and the chances of an appeal succeeding were high.

Notwithstanding this, Lewis said: "On the other hand, I am informed the claimants can be tried in Trinidad and Tobago almost immediately on the same conduct." Sources say one week before Ramlogan publicly announced his December 19, 2011, decision not to challenge Boodoosingh's ruling, the matter was discuseed with Lewis and Alan Newman, QC. Lewis was reportedly assured the businessmen would receive a speedy trial at the local courts and Lewis tailored his advice based on the instructions given to him. Lewis said in his opinion, Boodoosingh fell into error "and there are good chances of a successful appeal against his declarations." The Queen’s Counsel also noted the correct relief would have been ”to remit the matter back to the AG for re-decision, having allowed the claimants the opportunity to respond to the representations of the United States of America and the DPP," rather than simply quashing Ramlogan’s October 9, 2010, decision to have the businessmen extradited. Lewis added: “From a just point of view these claimants must be tried as soon as possible. Pragmatically that means they should be tried in Trinidad and Tobago and the further inevitable delays consequent or continuing the extradition proceedings make, in my view, an appeal untenable. “However, in the final analysis, it is a matter for the AG who has complete discretion whether to appeal or not in this matter.”

Galbaransingh and Ferguson are wanted in the US to face a series of fraud-related charges. Throughout their court appearances the men contended the alleged offences occurred in T&T and as such ought to face trial locally. They are before Magistrate Ejenny Espinet in the Port-of-Spain Magistrates Court, facing a plethora of charges arising from the Piarco Airport Development project. These charges are expected to be dismissed under the recently-proclaimed Administration of Justice (Indictable Proceedings) Act 2011. On numerous occasions, Ramlogan assured the country and US officials the men would face trial in T&T. Ramlogan, in responding to a release by the US Embassy on December 20, 2011, said in a statement: "Of paramount importance is the question of where... the defendants are likely to be brought to justice in the quickest and shortest possible time. "Not appealing means that the way is cleared for courts in Trinidad and Tobago to commence the trial of the defendants without further delay. “It does not mean that the defendants will walk free without facing trial—a possible prospect if the State appealed. “The Attorney General has every confidence in the ability of the Supreme Court of Justice of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago to competently and fairly try these defendants and deliver justice according to law.” His statement added: "Like the United States of America, the state of Trinidad and Tobago has also incurred great expense in this matter in which close to $100,000,000 has been expended in time and money. “The defendants have exercised all their pre-trial legal options and the road is therefore now clear for the criminal justice system to get into high gear and commence their trial.” The US Embassy in its release had expressed disappointment over Ramlogan's decision not to appeal Boodoosingh’s ruling.

[brams112]

You know is the lawyers are the ones who win all the time,because they are the ones who know how to milk money out of their clients on both sides eh.

[Habit7]

^^^Aye you, stop defending foolishness nah! You becoming like zoom rader alternate account.

[White CZ4A]

Fair and square

Housing Minister, HDC boss defend $5m contract to Ish's daughter.


http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Fai ... 60366.html



it doh end! is from all sides!

[pugboy]

so the learned judge allowed their extradition appeal saying it was best that they should be tried in a local court

now the govt passes a law to let them go free, what a mockery indeed

judges unfortunately live in ivory towers and have no idea of what transpires when they make these coward judgements

it is very unforunate that our judges lack the stones to make hard judgements
this judge must be good pardners with the one who let the jamaat go

[pugboy]

so it is safe to say that our great ag sitting down late at night drawing up new laws about preliminary inquiries would have no idea of the biggest and longest running preliminary inquiry running in the western hemisphere and how this new law would affect them

where are all the PP forum supporters when we need them ?

Who knows if this loophole that exist was a law that the ag made,or it existed already?Beacuse the other holy party that grasping for straws did not accomplish their task when they were there trying all kinds of stalling strategy also.

[brams112]

^^^Aye you, stop defending foolishness nah! You becoming like zoom rader alternate account.

No pal is not defending,i feel once there exist hard evidence,let the fcukers make some jail,also all the others who on both sides run racket let them lose all their assets also,plus make jail.

[Greypatch]

The MP's and senators who voted for this bill need to come together and repeal it asap.

I cannot see this present govt being re-elected if these men walk.

[pioneer]

so the learned judge allowed their extradition appeal saying it was best that they should be tried in a local court

now the govt passes a law to let them go free, what a mockery indeed

judges unfortunately live in ivory towers and have no idea of what transpires when they make these coward judgements

it is very unforunate that our judges lack the stones to make hard judgements
this judge must be good pardners with the one who let the jamaat go

The entire judiciary system is a big joke.

But fear not this is all what trinis "celebrate" and are so proud of 50 years later.

[j.o.e]

This issue will haunt the PP..trust me.

[eliteauto]

the Opposition Leader is currently having a press conference, he is making some interesting statements/ allegations and some of the actions he is intent on doing makes me think the PP is going to get some of the same things the UNC did in it's Opposition days

[pioneer]

$100b is small money man


Wha da coulda possibly buy so?

chupes

[j.o.e]

Parliament is having an emergency session to repeal tomorrow @ 4..power to the ppl!!!

[5onDfloor]

Parliament is having an emergency session to repeal tomorrow @ 4..power to the ppl!!!

I think the damage is already done........repeal or not, just the fact that they tabled it was enough IMHO.

[pugboy]

with this fast one anand tried to pull,
PP has confirmed that they are a bunch of scamps

it is no wonder he has been extremely quiet last few months