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Postby Smokey » January 17th, 2010, 2:14 pm

RASC wrote:pioneer, Why you think I've been clamoring for the Marines to rest some bullets on they arse to ensure the innocent get helped and operations move even more swiftly.

These rag tag militias don't care about their other hungry brothers and sisters, they only care for themselves. The U.N. peace keeping teams (MINISTUH) is a JOKE...send in the Marines to wipe out the filth while protecting the real victims.



Exactly, they gonna collect as much food etc. from the AID agencies and then use it blackmail and bribe the people into joining thier gangs and carrying out favors.

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Postby ~*Pãñdorą*~ » January 17th, 2010, 3:18 pm

Very Good Read!

http://www.nationnews.com/story/guest-c ... py-for-web

The hate and the quake


Published on: 1/17/2010.


BY SIR HILARY BECKLES

THE UNIVERSITY OF THE WEST INDIES is in the process of conceiving how best to deliver a major conference on the theme Rethinking And Rebuilding Haiti.

I am very keen to provide an input into this exercise because for too long there has been a popular perception that somehow the Haitian nation-building project, launched on January 1, 1804, has failed on account of mismanagement, ineptitude, corruption.

Buried beneath the rubble of imperial propaganda, out of both Western Europe and the United States, is the evidence which shows that Haiti's independence was defeated by an aggressive North-Atlantic alliance that could not imagine their world inhabited by a free regime of Africans as representatives of the newly emerging democracy.

The evidence is striking, especially in the context of France.

The Haitians fought for their freedom and won, as did the Americans fifty years earlier. The Americans declared their independence and crafted an extraordinary constitution that set out a clear message about the value of humanity and the right to freedom, justice, and liberty.

In the midst of this brilliant discourse, they chose to retain slavery as the basis of the new nation state. The founding fathers therefore could not see beyond race, as the free state was built on a slavery foundation.

The water was poisoned in the well; the Americans went back to the battlefield a century later to resolve the fact that slavery and freedom could not comfortably co-exist in the same place.

The French, also, declared freedom, fraternity and equality as the new philosophies of their national transformation and gave the modern world a tremendous progressive boost by so doing.

They abolished slavery, but Napoleon Bonaparte could not imagine the republic without slavery and targeted the Haitians for a new, more intense regime of slavery. The British agreed, as did the Dutch, Spanish and Portuguese.

All were linked in communion over the 500 000 Blacks in Haiti, the most populous and prosperous Caribbean colony.

As the jewel of the Caribbean, they all wanted to get their hands on it. With a massive slave base, the English, French and Dutch salivated over owning it - and the people.

The people won a ten-year war, the bloodiest in modern history, and declared their independence. Every other country in the Americas was based on slavery.

Haiti was freedom, and proceeded to place in its 1805 Independence Constitution that any person of African descent who arrived on its shores would be declared free, and a citizen of the republic.

For the first time since slavery had commenced, Blacks were the subjects of mass freedom and citizenship in a nation.

The French refused to recognise Haiti's independence and declared it an illegal pariah state. The Americans, whom the Haitians looked to in solidarity as their mentor in independence, refused to recognise them, and offered solidarity instead to the French. The British, who were negotiating with the French to obtain the ownership title to Haiti, also moved in solidarity, as did every other nation-state the Western world.

Haiti was isolated at birth - ostracised and denied access to world trade, finance, and institutional development. It was the most vicious example of national strangulation recorded in modern history.

The Cubans, at least, have had Russia, China, and Vietnam. The Haitians were alone from inception. The crumbling began.

Then came 1825; the moment of full truth. The republic is celebrating its 21st anniversary. There is national euphoria in the streets of Port-au-Prince.

The economy is bankrupt; the political leadership isolated. The cabinet took the decision that the state of affairs could not continue.

The country had to find a way to be inserted back into the world economy. The French government was invited to a summit.

Officials arrived and told the Haitian government that they were willing to recognise the country as a sovereign nation but it would have to pay compensation and reparation in exchange. The Haitians, with backs to the wall, agreed to pay the French.

The French government sent a team of accountants and actuaries into Haiti in order to place a value on all lands, all physical assets, the 500 000 citizens were who formerly enslaved, animals, and all other commercial properties and services.

The sums amounted to 150 million gold francs. Haiti was told to pay this reparation to France in return for national recognition.

The Haitian government agreed; payments began immediately. Members of the Cabinet were also valued because they had been enslaved people before independence.

Thus began the systematic destruction of the Republic of Haiti. The French government bled the nation and rendered it a failed state. It was a merciless exploitation that was designed and guaranteed to collapse the Haitian economy and society.

Haiti was forced to pay this sum until 1922 when the last instalment was made. During the long 19th century, the payment to France amounted to up to 70 per cent of the country's foreign exchange earnings.

Jamaica today pays up to 70 per cent in order to service its international and domestic debt. Haiti was crushed by this debt payment. It descended into financial and social chaos.

The republic did not stand a chance. France was enriched and it took pleasure from the fact that having been defeated by Haitians on the battlefield, it had won on the field of finance. In the years when the coffee crops failed, or the sugar yield was down, the Haitian government borrowed on the French money market at double the going interest rate in order to repay the French government.

When the Americans invaded the country in the early 20th century, one of the reasons offered was to assist the French in collecting its reparations.

The collapse of the Haitian nation resides at the feet of France and America, especially. These two nations betrayed, failed, and destroyed the dream that was Haiti; crushed to dust in an effort to destroy the flower of freedom and the seed of justice.

Haiti did not fail. It was destroyed by two of the most powerful nations on earth, both of which continue to have a primary interest in its current condition.

The sudden quake has come in the aftermath of summers of hate. In many ways the quake has been less destructive than the hate.

Human life was snuffed out by the quake, while the hate has been a long and inhumane suffocation - a crime against humanity.

During the 2001 UN Conference on Race in Durban, South Africa, strong representation was made to the French government to repay the 150 million francs.

The value of this amount was estimated by financial actuaries as US$21 billion. This sum of capital could rebuild Haiti and place it in a position to re-engage the modern world. It was illegally extracted from the Haitian people and should be repaid.

It is stolen wealth. In so doing, France could discharge its moral obligation to the Haitian people.

For a nation that prides itself in the celebration of modern diplomacy, France, in order to exist with the moral authority of this diplomacy in this post-modern world, should do the just and legal thing.

Such an act at the outset of this century would open the door for a sophisticated interface of past and present, and set the Haitian nation free at last.

l Sir Hilary Beckles is pro-vice-chancellor and Principal of the Cave Hill Campus, UWI.

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Postby redmanjp » January 17th, 2010, 4:29 pm

pioneer wrote:On that note if disaster hit Trinidad we in SERIOUS trouble...most our power lines are overhead...when power goes...life quickly gonna deteriorate and chaos will take over...no gas at gas stations...it's gonna be insane...

Makes you wonder who did the planning and what thought went into it...

No internet also :(


NO INTERNET!! FACK!!

*goes 2 buy generator, satellite internet*

anyway seriously... we go b in real trouble yes.. if yuh survive d quake yuh go get rob & ting in the pitch black night every night and d murder rate go reach 1000 cause people go b fighting over food, water, gas, etc.

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Postby Monk BANzai » January 17th, 2010, 11:09 pm

but what about the underlying point of the US now controlling Haiti...as far as i understand from reading the article in todays Express, the US has signed "Something" giving them Sovereign Authority over the dealings of Haiti now.....


Its Somalia all over again. The US turned away the CARICOM Assessment Delegation from landing....fi thats not a sign of US Controlled Occupation, then i dont know what is.

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Postby Chimera » January 17th, 2010, 11:13 pm

article of understanding or sum sheit so.


US controlling everything in Haiti :|

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Postby wagonrunner » January 17th, 2010, 11:18 pm

~*Pãñdorą*~,
i knew the story, but i appreciate the details.

*wonders what part the french will play now, if any*

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Postby wagonrunner » January 17th, 2010, 11:20 pm

BANzai Rastafarai wrote:but what about the underlying point of the US now controlling Haiti...as far as i understand from reading the article in todays Express, the US has signed "Something" giving them Sovereign Authority over the dealings of Haiti now.....


Its Somalia all over again. The US turned away the CARICOM Assessment Delegation from landing....fi thats not a sign of US Controlled Occupation, then i dont know what is.

noticing the same thing i did.
when i read that this morning was wondering other than the land, what else is there in Haiti they would want.

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Postby Monk BANzai » January 17th, 2010, 11:33 pm

^^ The port. the Proximity of Haiti's port to Cuba is pivotal to gain on the war in Cuba. Yu done Know Chavez wud have ran up in Haiti and offered the SAME thign that the US is dong now.

Port Au Prince is now going to be "controlled".... Its sad really ....that the US wud take a situation like this to gain control on a poor ass nation...

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Postby wagonrunner » January 17th, 2010, 11:40 pm

^^
that's what i meant by the land meng. :lol:
Haiti's topography, agriculture, minerals = zilch. geographically however..........

BANzai Rastafarai wrote:Its sad really ....that the US wud take a situation like this to gain control on a poor ass nation...

What??? WHAT????????? WHAT????????

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Postby robbieg » January 18th, 2010, 2:01 am

Is it wierd that I dont feel bothered by this?

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Postby ~*Pãñdorą*~ » January 18th, 2010, 6:28 am

wagonrunner wrote:~*Pãñdorą*~,
i knew the story, but i appreciate the details.

*wonders what part the french will play now, if any*


You're welcome...
It's sad.. I never knew the French were so ruthless!

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Postby Greypatch » January 18th, 2010, 8:59 am

so what of the wealthy haitians ?

any information on them ?

pics etc.

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Postby Aaron 2NR » January 18th, 2010, 9:42 am

the US taking over Hati is the best decision the hatian government could make.....

hati would never be able to revive itself and its economy and way of life on its own....

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Postby RASC » January 18th, 2010, 9:18 pm

Guys can I get some proof as to any documents the U.S, has signed in relation to them being in charge of ground/air/water operations in Haiti right now.

Thanks :!:

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Postby M_2NR » January 18th, 2010, 9:27 pm

I just wanna point out something.

Where was Haiti before this/these Earthquake(s)?

Yes i will donate but, i mean, it took an earthquake to wake up the world to notice their plight?

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Postby RASC » January 18th, 2010, 9:48 pm

corolla_2nr wrote:I just wanna point out something.

Where was Haiti before this/these Earthquake(s)?

Yes i will donate but, i mean, it took an earthquake to wake up the world to notice their plight?


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Postby M_2NR » January 18th, 2010, 10:39 pm

so true :lol:

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Postby sMASH » January 19th, 2010, 12:46 am

in most natural disaster situations when the US gets involved, they usually become the coordinators of the effort. this time, from BBC world news, it did not just develop into that, it was actually agreed upon by all the 'forces' there to let them handle the logistics. US military usually are the most experienced in doing this, and usually have the attitude to get other people to be in a coordinated effort. their culture makes them natural leaders.

let them run things, no body else wants to take the lead, and they need the effort now.

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Postby TriniVdub » January 19th, 2010, 2:26 am

BANzai Rastafarai wrote:

Its Somalia all over again. The US turned away the CARICOM Assessment Delegation from landing....fi thats not a sign of US Controlled Occupation, then i dont know what is.



but rass tell me what d arse Caricom going there for?? to do an assessment of the situation?? we all know the destruction that took place, what they need now is help and supplies. To be quite honest if America didn't intervene, regardless of what ever alternate motives they may have, it would have been total lawlessness and a lot more deaths could have resulted.

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Postby urabus » January 19th, 2010, 12:34 pm

and who saw the front page of the newsdays....

http://www.newsday.co.tt/frontpage/0,114393.html

...really inapproriate for the newsday

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Postby TriniVdub » January 19th, 2010, 1:26 pm

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For the sins of their inhabitants Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim were destroyed by "brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven."[Gen 19:24-25] In Christianity and Islam, their names have become synonymous with impenitent sin, and their fall with a proverbial manifestation of God's wrath. Cf.Jude 1:7, Qur'an(S15)Al-Hijr:72-73.

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Postby Gladiator » January 19th, 2010, 1:29 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :crazyeyes: :sick:

Them is not people....WTF kinda thing is that.

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Postby Gladiator » January 19th, 2010, 1:31 pm

TriniVdub wrote:Image

For the sins of their inhabitants Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim were destroyed by "brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven."[Gen 19:24-25] In Christianity and Islam, their names have become synonymous with impenitent sin, and their fall with a proverbial manifestation of God's wrath. Cf.Jude 1:7, Qur'an(S15)Al-Hijr:72-73.


What about all the muslims in Indonesia that died due to the Earthquake and Tsunami that happened on Boxing day....... were they sinners too???

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Postby xtech » January 19th, 2010, 1:48 pm

they lynch the man because he was part of a gang of armed bandits..............he get ketch.....made an example to his friends

they beat him
hang him
beat his dead body some more
drag him through the streets

then they burn him to ashes

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Postby Greypatch » January 19th, 2010, 2:18 pm

them have plenty time to do all that sheit...

btw how the elite in Haiti doing ?

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Postby Terran » January 19th, 2010, 7:06 pm

pioneer wrote:Yuh know if the US did nothing, all allyuh go bump gum and bawl they racist and doh like black people...now they take over and it's ah problem


Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » January 25th, 2010, 12:14 pm

BANzai Rastafarai wrote:^^ The port. the Proximity of Haiti's port to Cuba is pivotal to gain on the war in Cuba. Yu done Know Chavez wud have ran up in Haiti and offered the SAME thign that the US is dong now.

Port Au Prince is now going to be "controlled".... Its sad really ....that the US wud take a situation like this to gain control on a poor ass nation...


Chavez accuses U.S. of using weapon to cause Haiti quake

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Postby RASC » January 25th, 2010, 12:32 pm

Greypatch wrote:
btw how the elite in Haiti doing ?


They in Miami, chillin 8-)

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Postby Greypatch » January 25th, 2010, 12:37 pm

nah the ones on de island...

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Postby RASC » January 25th, 2010, 12:43 pm

Greypatch wrote:nah the ones on de island...


Oh they out in the 'burbs...chillin. 20 foot wall and ting, generator being used sparingly...normal, normal-everything chill.

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