Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

CNN - New studies conclude that animals sold at a seafood market in Wuhan, China, are most likely what started the Covid-19 pandemic, not a lab leak.

In June, the World Health Organization recommended that scientists continue to research all possible origins of the coronavirus outbreak, including a lab leak. In one of the new studies published Tuesday, researchers determined that the earliest Covid-19 cases were centered at the Wuhan market among vendors who sold live animals or people who shopped there.

Another study said the first animal-to-human transmission probably happened around November 18, 2019, and that an early version of the virus was found only in people who had a direct connection to the Wuhan market.

Meanwhile, authorities in Wuhan today shut down a district of about 1 million people after detecting four asymptomatic Covid cases. All restaurant dining, entertainment venues, places of worship, and public transportation have been suspended for at least three days as "temporary control measures," the government said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/26/heal ... index.html

[redmanjp]

didn't the chinese govt try to stop scientists and the WHO from properly researching the origins? if so any conclusion is based on incomplete data

[Dizzy28]

If that article is true its also quite sad that in 2014 Dr Edward Holmes identified the Huanan Wet Market in Wuhan as a potential pandemic risk.
Lab Leak or Wuhan Wet Market both makes the Chinese look bad.

In 2014 Dr Eddie Holmes, an evolutionary biologist and virologist, was taken to the Huanan seafood market by members of the Wuhan Centre for Disease Control, who used it as an example of the type of place where a virus could “spillover” from animals to humans.

Dr Holmes, who now works at the University of Sydney, said the visit was part of a wider project to hunt for new pathogens with pandemic potential in China.

“The Wuhan CDC took us there, and here’s the key bit, because the discussion was: ‘where could a disease emerge?’ Well, here’s the place – that’s why I went,” Dr Holmes told The Telegraph in an interview.

“I’ve been to a few of these markets, but this was a big one – it felt like a disease incubator, exactly the sort of place you would expect a disease to emerge”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... isk-least/

[Dohplaydat]

didn't the chinese govt try to stop scientists and the WHO from properly researching the origins? if so any conclusion is based on incomplete data

Limited data is always what you'll be working with when tracing the origin of a pandemic.

They said the first few cases were all traced back to the market or very close to it. Doesn't necessarily mean it started there, but it's likely.

[redmanjp]

yeah but in this case its not just that u have limited data- its that the chinese Govt tried to stop access to data. the earliest mention of a new virus they punished any doctor who said anything. they are known for censorship and control all media so who knows what data they have and not making public.

[bluefete]

World’s top medical journal finally says Covid-19 COULD have come from lab leak

The world’s leading medical journal has conceded that the Covid pandemic could have been sparked by a laboratory leak and admits that the virus may have been engineered by scientists.

It might seem a statement of the obvious in calling on global bodies to intensify efforts to determine if Covid-19 came from a laboratory in the Chinese city of Wuhan or crossed over from animals infected with a bat virus.

But this is a remarkable turnaround for the 199-year-old Lancet, which printed an infamous article condemning suggestions of a lab leak as ‘conspiracy theories’.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -leak.html

[redmanjp]

COVID-19 Origins: Investigating a “Complex and Grave Situation” Inside a Wuhan Lab
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/10/covid-origins-investigation-wuhan-lab

The Wuhan Institute of Virology ‘Faced an Acute Safety Emergency in November 2019’
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-wuhan-institute-of-virology-faced-an-acute-safety-emergency-in-november-2019/

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conspiracy theory website vanityfair.com

[redmanjp]

conspiracy theory website vanityfair.com

The Senate report was conspiracy too? Not one animal from the market tested positive. There have been lab leaks before with the original SARS as well. There were serious concerns about biosecurity at the lab. It's still more than a real possibility.

[adnj]

conspiracy theory website vanityfair.com

The Senate report was conspiracy too? Not one animal from the market tested positive. There have been lab leaks before with the original SARS as well. There were serious concerns about biosecurity at the lab. It's still more than a real possibility.

Vanity Fair is a SOLID source of iinformation. Bear in mind that there are many instances of lab leaks. The issue is that the most likely scenario of COVID is a zoonotic transfer and there is precious little evidence to the contrary.

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conspiracy theory website vanityfair.com

The Senate report was conspiracy too? Not one animal from the market tested positive. There have been lab leaks before with the original SARS as well. There were serious concerns about biosecurity at the lab. It's still more than a real possibility.

I agree. I mean the US President was calling it the Chinese virus from the start. But the main stream media took the stance it was a 'conspiracy theory' and is now walking it toward "yea it's actually not a conspiracy. we weren't wrong no we weren't wrong the science just evolved and we know better now ok we werent wrong"

the science is evolving on extraterrestrial life as well, btw. History channel running a "conspiracy theory" on prime time for years. I see what is happening. The global elites are conditioning us to the point where we accept the truth without freaking out.

[The_Honourable]

conspiracy theory website vanityfair.com

The Senate report was conspiracy too? Not one animal from the market tested positive. There have been lab leaks before with the original SARS as well. There were serious concerns about biosecurity at the lab. It's still more than a real possibility.

I agree. I mean the US President was calling it the Chinese virus from the start. But the main stream media took the stance it was a 'conspiracy theory' and is now walking it toward "yea it's actually not a conspiracy. we weren't wrong no we weren't wrong the science just evolved and we know better now ok we werent wrong"

the science is evolving on extraterrestrial life as well, btw. History channel running a "conspiracy theory" on prime time for years. I see what is happening. The global elites are conditioning us to the point where we accept the truth without freaking out.

Evidence is slowly coming out pointing towards the direction of a lab leak. Would it actually be proven? maybe decades from now so it will remain in the realm of conspiracy theory. The WHO is now entertaining the possibility, but they have limited investigatory powers, and China is unsurprisingly uncooperative.

Up to last year polls suggest just over 1/2 of americans believe in the lab leak theory, and this was just before the Biden administration began entertaining the idea themselves where before they were denying it.

[paid_influencer]

i am sure the cdc, for fun, way prior to 2019, ran hypothetical simulations on possible pandemic scenarios. and i am sure one of those fun simulations involved a hypothetical lab leak. and i am sure the hypothetical simulation recommended not disclosing the lab leak, to avoid public panic. hypothetically.

[De Dragon]

i am sure the cdc, for fun, way prior to 2019, ran hypothetical simulations on possible pandemic scenarios. and i am sure one of those fun simulations involved a hypothetical lab leak. and i am sure the hypothetical simulation recommended not disclosing the lab leak, to avoid public panic. hypothetically.

You do know that one of the threat scenarios presented to Chump in 2016 was a pandemic right? Also you do know how that turned out for the US right?

[redmanjp]

US Energy Dept. study says Covid likely came from lab leak

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/26/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-china-intelligence/index.html

[sMASH]

Energy?

[ed360123]

The DOE made that decision with 'Low Confidence'.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/z34jk8/what-low-confidence-in-the-lab-leak-theory-actually-means

[redmanjp]

but i would imagine even lower confidence pointing to a natural origin

[adnj]

Every US Intelligence report will provide either A CONFIDENCE LEVEL or A DEGREE OF LIKELIHOOD. Any report that cannot or does not explicitly eliminate the possibility of the work product's key assumption is given the lowest analytical assessment of low confidence.

The low confidence analytical assessment was in the second sentence of the cited story:

US Energy Department assesses Covid-19 likely resulted from lab leak, furthering US intel divide over virus origin
By Jeremy Herb and Natasha Bertrand, CNN
Updated 3:12 AM EST, Mon February 27, 2023

(CNN)The US Department of Energy has assessed that the Covid-19 pandemic most likely came from a laboratory leak in China, according to a newly updated classified intelligence report.

Two sources said that the Department of Energy assessed in the intelligence report that it had "low confidence" the Covid-19 virus accidentally escaped from a lab in Wuhan.

Intelligence agencies can make assessments with either low, medium or high confidence. A low confidence assessment generally means that the information obtained is not reliable enough or is too fragmented to make a more definitive analytic judgment or that there is not enough information available to draw a more robust conclusion.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/26/poli ... index.html

[paid_influencer]

inconvenient facts get written off as conspiracy theories

until convenient

#team lab leak

[adnj]

inconvenient facts get written off as conspiracy theories

until convenient

#team lab leak

If you already have facts, then how can you have only a theory?

BTW Twitter hash tags don't contain spaces.

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[paid_influencer]

skeletons are fact

evolution is a theory

#my hash tags do have spaces
#deal wit it

[aaron17]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-direct ... k-13a5e69b

[adnj]

Tinfoil hat meltdowns are imminent.



WASHINGTON (AP) — The House voted unanimously on Friday to declassify U.S. intelligence information about the origins of COVID-19, a sweeping show of bipartisan support near the third anniversary of the start of the deadly pandemic.

The 419-0 vote was final approval of the bill, sending it to President Joe Biden’s desk to be signed into law.

Debate was brief and to the point: Americans have questions about how the deadly virus started and what can be done to prevent future outbreaks.

“The American public deserves answers to every aspect of the COVID-19 pandemic,” said Rep. Michael Turner, R-Ohio, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

That includes, he said, “how this virus was created and, specifically, whether it was a natural occurrence or was the result of a lab-related event.”

The order to declassify focused on intelligence related to China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology, citing “potential links” between the research that was done there and the outbreak of COVID-19, which the World Health Organization declared a pandemic on March 11, 2020.


https://apnews.com/article/covid-origin ... 933ec10063

[redmanjp]

why would info about a virus be classified in the first place? i would think they more likely to classify info about a lab leak than a natural spillover

[adnj]

US Intelligence classifies documents based on many things, including how the information is collected and also impact assessments on US systems and governance.

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BEIJING (AP) — Genetic material collected at a Chinese market near where the first human cases of COVID-19 were identified show raccoon dog DNA comingled with the virus, suggesting the pandemic may have originated from animals, not a lab, international experts say.

Other experts have not yet verified their analysis, which has yet to appear in a peer-reviewed journal. How the coronavirus began sickening people remains uncertain. The sequences will have to be matched to the genetic record of how the virus evolved to see which came first.

“These data do not provide a definitive answer to how the pandemic began, but every piece of data is important to moving us closer to that answer,” World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Friday.

He criticized China for not sharing the genetic information earlier, telling a press briefing that “this data could have and should have been shared three years ago.”

The samples were collected from surfaces at the Huanan seafood market in early 2020 in Wuhan, where the first human cases of COVID-19 were found in late 2019.

Tedros said the genetic sequences were recently uploaded to the world’s biggest public virus database by scientists at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

They were then removed, but not before a French biologist spotted the information by chance and shared it with a group of scientists based outside China that’s looking into the origins of the coronavirus.

The data show that some of the COVID-positive samples collected from a stall known to be involved in the wildlife trade also contained raccoon dog genes, indicating the animals may have been infected by the virus, according to the scientists. Their analysis was first reported in The Atlantic.


https://apnews.com/article/covid-virus- ... f2e705aee2

[redmanjp]

First People Sickened By COVID-19 Were Chinese Scientists At Wuhan Institute Of Virology, Say US Government Sources

The three scientists were engaged in “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses when they fell ill

https://public.substack.com/p/first-people-sickened-by-covid-19

[aaron17]

Sooooooooooooooo.....US funded it?

[sMASH]

Fsuci is relying the parameters of the official definition of ' gain of function', to squirm out of taking fault for conducting gain if function research.
For sll intent and purpose it was gain of function research, but because somethings were not carried out, it does not meet his stipulated definition.

Is like advertising a drink contains 'natural fruit juice', by the legal definition allowing it if it hsve 5%.. Even if 95% is chemical.