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MG Man wrote:sorry eh but for a hundred years after le prophet's death, there were differing versions circulating befor everyone agreed on the final edit
do your research and see for yourself
MG Man wrote:MG Man wrote:sorry eh but for a hundred years after le prophet's death, there were differing versions circulating befor everyone agreed on the final edit
do your research and see for yourself
adamb so busy flaming kasey he forgot me
PS LMAO at 'rapture ready'
d spike wrote:Millions of arrogant, haranguing, narrow-minded, self-righteous, prejudiced people transported into space, away from here, all in an instant? Millions, you say.
Wow. Sounds like paradise. Can't wait.
Kasey wrote: The truth is that you are in error in the way you think, not the scripture you so selflessly defend.
AdamB wrote:stickman wrote:I haven't visited this thread in a while and you're still trying to justify Islam.
Funny that you mention the word "objective" a few posts ago. There is no objective proof of God/Allah. You can only believe in him via faith which clouds your logic and and ability to think unbiased.
Wrong!! Logic and ability to think unbiased is what instils faith in the heart of the believer.
AdamB wrote:Dspike,
After all d ole talk, please post a link to one of Kasey's posts of VALUE over the last 100 pages, IF YOU ARE TRUTHFUL!!
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:AdamB wrote:stickman wrote:I haven't visited this thread in a while and you're still trying to justify Islam.
Funny that you mention the word "objective" a few posts ago. There is no objective proof of God/Allah. You can only believe in him via faith which clouds your logic and and ability to think unbiased.
Wrong!! Logic and ability to think unbiased is what instils faith in the heart of the believer.
how can you be unbiased when you have faith in only one way?
It's like claiming you are unbiased but you have faith in UNC over PNM.faith [feyth]
noun
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof
Of course if there was proof, faith would not be needed. You do not need faith to know that the earth goes around the sun because there is empirical evidence (proof) of it.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ Why would God follow a religion? He is God!
that would be like asking what classes does the Minister of Education attend.
the better question IMO is "Which religion does God want us to follow?" and "give reasons for your answer".
perhaps the analogy was not perfect since nothing is equivalent to the concept of God.sensiman wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ Why would God follow a religion? He is God!
that would be like asking what classes does the Minister of Education attend.
the better question IMO is "Which religion does God want us to follow?" and "give reasons for your answer".
Not really, the Minister is not all knowing and can always attend a class to further his knowledge.
Also, the question of an omnipotent being following a religion is only valid if said being is sentient, like the beyonder, for example.
d spike wrote:Faith is but a light on the roadway of our journey.
What we choose to do while we travel, is dependent on how well we can see, and that is dependent on the light... but, the choice of right or wrong action is still ours to make, AND NOT that of the light. And though we can claim that our decisions are based on that very light, that is but justification, not reason.
FOR THE LIGHT JUST ILLUMINATES - what we perceive to see in the distance has more to do with our opinion and imagination, than light.
pioneer wrote:Adam, do you have dogs?
MG Man wrote:there were several versions of the koran and bands of people with their own versions floating around post prophet's death..........for over a century, before they all agreed on an 'official' version
AdamB wrote:MG Man wrote:yet again you criticize the bible and continue to ignore the truth that there were several versions of the koran and bands of people with their own versions floating around post prophet's death..........for over a century, before they all agreed on an 'official' version
btw, where did dspike refer to jesus / christianity in that quote?[/
That's precisely my point. He is admittedly a christian. So his statements about faith is from a christian source.
AdamB wrote:Just like when he "explained" the Trinity, I asked BRING YOUR PROOF / SOURCE OF INFORMATION. Nothing yet because that's what they (Christians) have done, CHANGED THE RELIGION OF JESUS because it did not suit their FANCIES and DESIRES.
AdamB wrote: Nothing yet because that's what they (Christians) have done, CHANGED THE RELIGION OF JESUS because it did not suit their FANCIES and DESIRES.
pioneer wrote:AdamB wrote:pioneer wrote:Well if islam believes in science they would understand the elementary concept that in order for something to exist, it must be relative to space and time.
Space and time is not required for the existence of ALLAH. HE is the Creator of those things and everything HE has created needs HIM for their continued existence and sustenance.
ALLAH has the POWER and ABILITY to do ALL THINGS!!!
Even thoughts exist, think about it.
Even down to our thoughts (and actions) ALLAH has created, you think about it. For you may have assumed that these concepts are new to Islam but rather muslims are the true PIONEERS!!
You speak of education, why it is most if not all muslims insist that their daughters do not become educated but instead subject themselves to a man to bear offspring?
Muslim women have always been the most educated when compared to others. Right here in T&T muslim women are doctors, lawyers, engineers, whatever field you can think of, even Parliamentarians and the current Deputy Speaker of the House.
You are confusing the culture of some people with the ideals of the religion. That's two totally opposite realities. People of the Middle East have a culture of tribalism and natural hardship due to their desert climate. Despite that muslim women have been business owners, teachers and have had the right to own property from 1400+ years ago. I challenge you to say from how long ago women in the West have had the same right.
Again, what's with all the copypasts with no source? Because if I said it, you would say I am only expressing MY OPINION. However, I have posted from a source outside of the Islamic fraternity (UK Guardian) to show you that the information is not biased and can be verified (a requirement for continuous improvement, mr Kaizen...U AWARE??).
Just for you:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2002/ ... h.science2
http://www.al-bab.com/arab/islam_and_evolution.htm
Plus a bonus: http://www.scienceislam.com/evolution_creation.php
Oh right, that's how the koran was created, copy/paste/regurgitate what other religions said.
The Qur'aan was NOT CREATED!! It is the WORD of ALLAH. Neither ALLAH Nor HIS ATTRIBUTES (incl the Qur'aan) is CREATED.
Actually I heard a LOCAL lecture (in trinidad) by a very popular shake who is well known and respected amongst the local muslim community. HE was a strong advocate against education for muslim women. He said muslims are so caught up in "wordly things" like education and pride that they send their daughters off to university instead of "marrying them of as soon as possible in other to reproduce more muslims into the world". To support his point he said by the time a woman finishes school she is old and "no man will desire her".
He got pretty emotional about the subject and firmly believed muslim women should NOT be educated. My very own neighbours share this point of view, so how can you say this is some extreme middle eastern culture? You're clearly not aware and seem to live in a bubble or just pure ignorance.
Muslim women in the middle east not allowed to drive, not allowed to talk to a man in public, must conceal themselves from head to toe, can be "mercy-killed" for a plethora of reasons including being the victim of a rape, outcast if they divorce, outcast if they become a widow etc etc etc. Then you want to speak of women rights in the west?
Islam has never sought to put an equal sign between the sexes
“The sun rising from the West”, which is a major sign of the Last Day, appears to represent modern Western civilization's ‘upside down’ world in which, among many other things, women abandon their primary responsibility of rearing children in order to dress like men and go out to work full-time the way men do.
The Qur’an has clearly established that men have (a measure of) authority over women, and has obliged a woman to be obedient to her husband (or guardian). In this connection Islam has gone to great lengths to reaffirm the natural order pertaining to the status, role and function of gender in society. Consider the following:
• The Qur’an refers to Allah Most High in the masculine, and never in the feminine gender. (The masculine gender in Arabic does not necessarily connote masculinity.)
• The Prophets sent by Allah to mankind to function as spiritual guides and leaders were all men. There was never a woman Prophet. But there is a perverted European effort which seeks to promote Mary to Prophethood.
• Although angels are neither male nor female the Qur’an gives them male names and denounces those who give them female names.
• When a child is born a thanksgiving feast called ‘Aqiqah’ is held. For a male child two animals must be sacrificed, but a female child requires the sacrifice of only one animal.
• The Prophet said that “the best row (in congregational prayer) for men is the first, and the worse is the last. And the best row for women is the last, and the worse is the first” (Sahih Muslim).
MG Man wrote:the mosque that my mother prays at, teaches that women in positions of power leads to disaster, adn that women should not be allowed to assume roles of power....they frown on female world leaders, for example, and cite Kamla as an example of what happens when women are allowed to rule
I read somewhere years ago (pre innernety days) that if a man allwos a woman to be on top during sex, that man is doomed (t'was an islamic booklet)
According to a book given to me and all students in my year at ASJA Boys college in 1993/4, there is a prayer for a married man to say before going to sleep; it basically tells the man to pray for protection from any evil hiding in the woman, that may attack him during his slumber.......no such prayer was listed for a woman...........the best was 'Prayer when taking a wife (or buying a camel)'
To this day I regret misplacing that book
bluefete wrote:MG Man wrote:the mosque that my mother prays at, teaches that women in positions of power leads to disaster, adn that women should not be allowed to assume roles of power....they frown on female world leaders, for example, and cite Kamla as an example of what happens when women are allowed to rule
I read somewhere years ago (pre innernety days) that if a man allwos a woman to be on top during sex, that man is doomed (t'was an islamic booklet)
According to a book given to me and all students in my year at ASJA Boys college in 1993/4, there is a prayer for a married man to say before going to sleep; it basically tells the man to pray for protection from any evil hiding in the woman, that may attack him during his slumber.......no such prayer was listed for a woman...........the best was 'Prayer when taking a wife (or buying a camel)'
To this day I regret misplacing that book
No wonder you are so messed up!
bluefete wrote:MG Man wrote:the mosque that my mother prays at, teaches that women in positions of power leads to disaster, adn that women should not be allowed to assume roles of power....they frown on female world leaders, for example, and cite Kamla as an example of what happens when women are allowed to rule
I read somewhere years ago (pre innernety days) that if a man allwos a woman to be on top during sex, that man is doomed (t'was an islamic booklet)
According to a book given to me and all students in my year at ASJA Boys college in 1993/4, there is a prayer for a married man to say before going to sleep; it basically tells the man to pray for protection from any evil hiding in the woman, that may attack him during his slumber.......no such prayer was listed for a woman...........the best was 'Prayer when taking a wife (or buying a camel)'
To this day I regret misplacing that book
No wonder you are so messed up!
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