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electrical upgrades.

Postby Ted_v2 » September 14th, 2014, 7:11 am

From my browsing on the some forums i see the most mistakes made is due to electrical upgrades or lack off.

i have a few questions.

1/ Do you need to fuse your alternator +VE wire to the battery?
2/ Does it make sense running more than one length of wire from the front battery?
3/ Where should the rear battery take its power from?
4/ At what point does a alternator upgrade make sense.
5/ Should amps share the same grounding point? eg. Splitting a 0g ground wire into 2 4g via a distro block.

6/ How short should the grounds on a amp be?

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Re: electrical upgrades.

Postby Ted_v2 » September 14th, 2014, 8:06 am

asking these questions because i think i have a current problem.
when i start on mornings i read almost 14.5v. When the alt gets hot it drops.
after about 15mins driving, it drops to almost 12.9 v and varies due to my rpm, maxing out at 13.8v. (3500rpm) Dropping to almost 12.6-13v at idle.

but however when my ac turn on( fans start up) and my headlights im getting below 12.6v at idle. when i accelerate however it raises. This acceleration however causes my instrument panel lights to get brighter and my headlights to show brighter

i think something is wrong with my alt. Not sure but guessing so. Someone told me check my grounds as the car has a newer model swapped engine . I redid the grounds from batt to shock head, and straight to the alternator bracket. This helped but i think i need something more.

Should i upgrade the charge wire? Looking to get out that fluctuations in the light.

all this and i didnt even get a mono yet. My system still in the building stage. now gathering parts, so i looking to solve this problem in the earlies .

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Re: electrical upgrades.

Postby SR » September 15th, 2014, 8:39 am

Do a big 3 ground wire upgrade and have your alt tested/serviced as well as have your battery load tested

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Re: electrical upgrades.

Postby Wolfstein » September 15th, 2014, 6:37 pm

are you using a DMM digital multimeter or one of those voltmeter to measure your voltage. Just recently i had a friend come by claiming his alt was bad when in fact his voltmeter has an adjustment screw on it and it wasn't calibrated properly.

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Re: electrical upgrades.

Postby Ted_v2 » September 15th, 2014, 6:43 pm

seems legit. i have a digital meter and i only measured the voltage at idle as i cant really connect it and drive unless i disconnect the cig lighter and measure from there.

im using one of those audiopipe cig led meters.

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Re: electrical upgrades.

Postby 3stagevtec » September 15th, 2014, 11:17 pm

Note that some cars come with smart alternators that are ECM controlled. When the ECM detects a drop in electrical load, it will lower the voltage to around 12.9V to help save fuel / increase fuel economy. I noticed this in a Mazda 2. (but your case seems different though)

Ted_v2 wrote:From my browsing on the some forums i see the most mistakes made is due to electrical upgrades or lack off.

i have a few questions.

1/ Do you need to fuse your alternator +VE wire to the battery?
2/ Does it make sense running more than one length of wire from the front battery?
3/ Where should the rear battery take its power from?
4/ At what point does a alternator upgrade make sense.
5/ Should amps share the same grounding point? eg. Splitting a 0g ground wire into 2 4g via a distro block.

6/ How short should the grounds on a amp be?


1) Not 100% necessary IMO, but I could be wrong. If upgrading alt output to batt +ve, leave factory wiring in place and just add additional wiring.

2) Depends on current draw. Look up AWG charts to find wire gauge / length / current capacity. The MOST important wires to upgrade here are the alternator casing (actual ground) to vehicle chassis and to batt negative.. don't forget that.

3) Anywhere you want.. Front battery is usually neatest and easiest to wire it to.

4) I'd say any system over 1500 - 2000Wrms.. or powerful systems that are played at high volumes for long periods.

5) Ground all rear amps / rear batt / processors etc to the same point on chassis. Various grounding points can create ground loops. (look it up)

6) Basically, shorter the better. Or use good quality conductors if running longer distances.. but keep it short.

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Re: electrical upgrades.

Postby nervewrecker » September 16th, 2014, 9:25 pm

Take a drive and walk with the meter, pop the bonnet and measure what you see. Shouldnt drop right away, you will have a few seconds to spare.
I wont take what those voltage meters say as 100% correct. Even mine is 0.2V off from what you get at the battery due to losses along the wire inside the car.

Hot idle gives me 13.9 I think, very little load. Driving hard might keep me within the 14V range.

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