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Fire Service's candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby Habit7 » June 3rd, 2013, 11:04 pm

Wrecked for $6.5m
Firetruck lands in precipice
Published: Tuesday, June 4, 2013
Anika Gumbs-Sandiford


A water tender bought for close to $2 million for boosting the fleet at the Arima Fire Station ended up costing almost three times that amount after it was involved in an accident last November 17 along the North Coast. Retrieving the firetruck incurred a bill of $6.5 million. Several attempts by T&T Guardian to seek answers as to why such a hefty sum was paid to Sammy’s Multilift Services Ltd to remove and tow the fire truck met with resistance. The water tender, TBY 9251, was responding to a report in the Blanchisseuse area when it skidded and ran off the road, plunging 300 feet down a precipice.


At the time of the accident, which occurred near the Asa Wright Nature Centre, the firefighters escaped serious injury. Sammy’s Multilift Services, a subsidiary of Junior Sammy Contractors, of Sum Sum Hill, Claxton Bay, was contracted to retrieve the truck. President of Sammy’s Multilift Ramdath Ramsubir confirmed to the T&T Guardian his company had been hired but refused to disclose specifics of the cost of the job except to say: “I know it was justified. It was around $6 million. I do not understand why this has to be an article in the first place.
“The point is we specialise in our field. A price was based on our expertise and equipment. “I know what we would normally cost clients for jobs like that. I am justified in what we did. When people ask we will justify. I gave you a ballpark figure but you continue to ask more and more questions.”

Told the T&T Guardian was seeking a breakdown of the price because questions were raised about the sum paid, Ramsubir replied: “If I do not give you a breakdown, what happens? That is confidential information.” Asked his reason for refusing to disclose the information, Ramsubir said: “That is putting our business out there. I am concerned about our company information out there.” Asked what type of equipment was used, Ramsubir said: “We had to use three different cranes and then equipment to transport it after it was taken out. “It required a lot of equipment and manpower. It took us four days. We used modular trailers and we had other mobile equipment that was used to minimise traffic. We had about 25 people on site who literally camped out there.”


Ramsubir then asked the T&T Guardian to call back at 1 pm, saying: “I cannot recall the individual prices. I will get the documents. I still will not give you the exact details. I will only give you general information.” Attempts to call back Ramsubir for more information were unsuccessful. At the time of the accident, Jack Warner held the portfolio of Minister of National Security and the chief fire officer was Carl Williams. Warner has since resigned from the Government following FIFA corruption allegations and Williams is on pre-retirement leave. Warner did not respond to text messages yesterday. Contacted yesterday, permanent secretary Jennifer Boucaud-Blake, who is in the United Kingdom, told the T&T Guardian she had absolutely no part in authorising the payment.

In a telephone interview, Boucaud-Blake said: “I cannot approve anything more than $1 million. “I did not approve anything concerning that fire truck. It would have had to be at the level of the Cabinet and that was between the then minister and Cabinet. It did not pass across my desk at all. I did not sign off on anything. “I cannot approve any expenditure over $1 million. It cannot be approved by a permanent secretary. I will not be so crazy to approve expenditure over $1 million. “I vaguely remember the incident, the minister and the chief fire officer was involved.”


In response to e-mailed requests for information on the cost of the job, the director of the ministry’s corporate communications unit, Marcia Hope, wrote: “The removal of the fire truck was above the permanent secretary’s $1 million limit and was forwarded to Cabinet and got its approval.” Hope later telephoned the T&T Guardian and added that on the basis of the competence and technical assessment of the chief fire officer at the time, the job was recommended to Cabinet for approval. Contacted yesterday, Williams referred the T&T Guardian to acting chief fire officer Nayar Rampersad, saying: “Why have you called me at this time, when I am on pre-retirement leave?”Told that it was because he was the chief fire officer when the accident took place, Williams said: “From a moral standpoint I do not think it will be right. “I think you should speak to the present CFO because I like to give people their due respect.” Confirming the accident yesterday, Rampersad said investigations were ongoing and he was in the process of submitting a report to line minister Emmanuel George and the permanent secretary. Rampersad said the chief fire officer had a limit of only $100,000. “It is out of my remit to approve expenditure of that cost. I am conducting investigations,” Rampersad said.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2013-06-03/wrecked-65m

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby javishm » June 3rd, 2013, 11:22 pm

How d f that even possible

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby shogun » June 3rd, 2013, 11:27 pm

Wow...

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby wagonrunner » June 3rd, 2013, 11:47 pm

but that's the "transparency" and "accountability" that's appreciated and encouraged so much, that their votes int he next election already secured. For the benefit, of the children.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby shogun » June 3rd, 2013, 11:49 pm

And they more vex than you, when you ask to see the breakdown of taxpayers monies eh.

these people are nothing more than common criminals, with nicer addresses.

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Postby zoom rader » June 4th, 2013, 2:26 am

shogun wrote:And they more vex than you, when you ask to see the breakdown of taxpayers monies eh.

these people are nothing more than common criminals, with nicer addresses.

Please do explain who are the criminals here and who is accountable

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby SMc » June 4th, 2013, 3:00 am

I cant help but read the article as though it was auto-corrected by 2NR, so everyime I read fire truck in my mind it says fcuk :(

eg: In a telephone interview, Boucaud-Blake said: “I cannot approve anything more than $1 million. “I did not approve anything concerning that fcuk." :(

nonetheless that is alot of money, better they had pay a few pipers to scrap it woulda been gone in less time

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby megadoc1 » June 4th, 2013, 5:16 am

it would have been cheaper to by three new ones and sell that on off as scrap
and we aint start to talk repair price yet

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby PapaC » June 4th, 2013, 5:37 am

I know cranes eh cheap at all. Industrial procurement people can shed some light on the cost.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby shaneelal » June 4th, 2013, 6:52 am

Suspect it went down at the sharp bend in the area of the christophine cultivation and took piece of the road with them.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby Habit7 » June 4th, 2013, 7:00 am

I heard it went to assist some tourists that went down a precipice and it went down while it was parked.

But could it be that the Ministry asked Sammy to pull it out and Sammy pulled it out and drop a big bill saying it was worst than estimated?

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby roadhog » June 4th, 2013, 7:22 am

im assuming no one else could have done the job. they did say 300ft down a precipice. cost of recovering may very well be justified by junior sammy. but if paying to recover the vehicle made sense is a whole other story.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby devsingh » June 4th, 2013, 7:24 am

Not defending anyone here but these are my estimates as a contractor:

25 men x 4 days @ $300 = 300,000
24 hr security for 4 days ($40/hr x 2 men x 24 hr x 4 days) = 5,760
project management fee = 15,000
lighting towers = 15,000
mobilization = 150,000
police presence = 10,000
equipment rentals = 500,000
Insurances = 40,000
Risk factors = 250,000
contingencies = 120,000
Mark up = 500,000

Sub total = 1,786,000
VAT = 267,900
Total = 2,053,900

If however i am the best in the business and the competition is small, i'd really make some money

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby Habit7 » June 4th, 2013, 7:41 am

roadhog wrote:im assuming no one else could have done the job. they did say 300ft down a precipice. cost of recovering may very well be justified by junior sammy. but if paying to recover the vehicle made sense is a whole other story.

300ft? 30tons or not that not going more than 100ft before a pitch pine or mahogany tree stopping it.


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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby pete » June 4th, 2013, 7:54 am

What was the urgency of getting it recovered in 4 days though?

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby bushwakka » June 4th, 2013, 7:55 am

Wow...wdmc is all I can say

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby roadhog » June 4th, 2013, 7:56 am

pete wrote:What was the urgency of getting it recovered in 4 days though?

who said there was any urgency. i'm assuming that's just how long it took within the estimate of time for the project.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby pete » June 4th, 2013, 8:02 am

I mean for whoever decided to go with them to have it removed. With a cost of 6 million it should have at least gone out for tender and different options considered.

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Postby RBphoto » June 4th, 2013, 8:03 am

I am not going to comment on the price. All I have to ask is whether a tender wen tout for the removal of the .. uh tender. Did they ask paramount or any other place for a quote? Were lift plans provided to justify the need for as much equipment they used?

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby RIPEBREDFRUIT » June 4th, 2013, 8:15 am

geezuz these people could STEAL blatently.
That company out to be AUDITED fully by an independent body.............

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby uncle sam » June 4th, 2013, 8:24 am

It would have been cheaper to leave the appliance there and start a coral reef

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby Hook » June 4th, 2013, 8:29 am

They should've sent a team of mechanics to go down there and scrap down the fcuker and drag it up in parts.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby Team Loco » June 4th, 2013, 8:34 am

i guess the fyaaaaz was geed

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby Mr. Red Sleeper » June 4th, 2013, 8:39 am

So what happened to Paramount, Industrial Rentals, UPT, Laing,etc.
There was no tendering process and they DO HAVE as capable hoisting equipment.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby trinigamer » June 4th, 2013, 8:44 am

Wonder how much a skycrane would have cost?

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby DVSTT » June 4th, 2013, 8:49 am

Money Affi Mek....

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby pete » June 4th, 2013, 8:55 am

I take it that it's the same fire truck that is in that video that was posted right?

When they said 300 feet down a precipice, I definitely didn't picture that. I was more picturing a cliff and it was 300 feet down.

3 cranes and 4 days to move that? Included 2 days mobilization and demobilization or what?

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby UML » June 4th, 2013, 8:55 am

Dey really going after jack head.

Where is the truck? Is it working? Or still down?
Which insurance company paying out that $6.5m? Can't see an insurance company paying for that at all.
Why wasn't it just scrapped and let the salvegers remove it and absorb the cost?

I tort junior Sammy was the PNMs contractor?

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby 5onDfloor » June 4th, 2013, 9:02 am

Moonan moves mountains...Sammy moves tenders

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby Mr. Red Sleeper » June 4th, 2013, 9:07 am

UML wrote:Dey really going after jack head.

Where is the truck? Is it working? Or still down?
Which insurance company paying out that $6.5m? Can't see an insurance company paying for that at all.
Why wasn't it just scrapped and let the salvegers remove it and absorb the cost?

I tort junior Sammy was the PNMs contractor?


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