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You are right, my bad! I did not realise that the complaint was made prior to the race being run!!MG Man wrote:how is that sour grapes buddy?
Yes.MG Man wrote:If a convention exists for determining which times run against which, then it should stand across the board
Do you understand the logic behind how the top four are run against each other?
Computerman wrote:Ctrl-Alt-Del
What move?!MG Man wrote:Computerman wrote:Ctrl-Alt-Del
good move bud
I apreciate the civil reply (unlike Captain Condescending).chris1388 wrote:Computerman....yes I lost against the civic so you may be wondering why bother to even bring this up...but in the final race it is a best of 3 races. I would have had at least another chance to run him and possibly a third run to win the class, this is why i believe my situation should have been considered.
chris1388 wrote:Computerman....yes I lost against the civic so you may be wondering why bother to even bring this up...but in the final race it is a best of 3 races. I would have had at least another chance to run him and possibly a third run to win the class, this is why i believe my situation should have been considered.
This specific case did not arise until they day of competition, so how could he raise it at the briefing? My issue was with the timing of the issue being raised on the day of competition. I thought it was after the race, not before.MICROTECH 7 wrote:The said driver, "Chris,"from what I understand paid to enter the event on briefing meeting night and did not raise this issue, further to this on the morning of the event's briefing meeting on the track he still did not raise the issue.
matthew2730mvp wrote:
That was his lil bro who took the car an did the 4wd drift.....
X2 Needs to be mature in a controlled environment.
Computerman wrote:In event #1 I was involved the same issue, but reverse. My car was incorrectly classified and I won GT1B (although the peugeot would have beaten me in the semis but for his delayed start). Although I won, I was not the 'fastest car' in that class.
MICROTECH7 wrote:Now the coin flips both ways. The said driver, "Chris,"from what I understand paid to enter the event on briefing meeting night and did not raise this issue, further to this on the morning of the event's briefing meeting on the track he still did not raise the issue. I can say with a high degree of certainty by his comments here, and the number of people that he spoke to about this situation that morning before he eventually addressed the competition martial, that he came to the event to compete with this unclear outstanding issue, hence the recent rule of mandatory briefing meeting attendance especially for new drivers, remember JDM_GUY and the $25:00.
Both parties have some degree of blame and I will not take a side but only to say that I have sat in many of their drivers/briefing meetings and the organisers always ask, "any questions concerns or issues,' at this juncture all drivers also have a responsibility to clear the air on most anything, some of us ignore these avenues created to dialogue but run home to the computer and type.
I thought cone panalties (we not talking about leaving the course) were +<TIME>, not DQ. Breakout is auto-DQ!MG Man wrote:question:
if in a single run, one competitor runs over a cone, and the other breaks out of his bracket, who gets to move on, or are they both disqualified?
The previous incidents were discussed with organizers. Issues were generally dealt with between events. The dialogue that you refer to, was specific to this incident. So it could only happen "on the day."MICROTECH 7 wrote:It is just strange to me that if this situation had happened before, why didn't any concerned driver seek clarification, and if Chris did indicate that this happened to him once before, why did he enter the event without previous engaged dialogue but choose to seek information when he is already inside.
Kongorealm wrote:At the end of it all, the event is gone and results cannot be changed...what we can do is learn from this and improve the event by addressing these type of issues.
MICROTECH 7 wrote:We on the other hand could offer some solutions to the issue for a start.
MG Man wrote:question:
if in a single run, one competitor runs over a cone, and the other breaks out of his bracket, who gets to move on, or are they both disqualified?
paparazzi wrote:Autosport, I was relieved to see that your scoreboards while were still operable.
Couple things in terms of safety, the D&W after the event where I had the untimely meeting with the lamppost I noticed that some pallets were put up against that pole. Yesterday the pole was "au naturale" again. Can some consideration be given to a barricade. 4 or 5 blue barrels of water tied together would work just fine in front of that pole. Even moving one of those mounds of debris in front of the pole could be an option.
Second thing, I appreciate the logistics of putting the spectator tents on the eastern side of the venue but its straight in the line of on coming cars on the return leg of Lane 1. If someone has a brake failure there's a risk created.
Chris has an extremely valid point. The first step is to have a designated competition steward at the events.
Have some work to do suspension-wise but the car is wukkin'. One run I got a transmission error but mechanically nothing felt wrong but I decided to er with caution and run some tests just to be safe.
Was good to be back and I'll see everyone in 2013.
AutoSport wrote:Ok, so I purposely did not want to comment earlier, and gave the many commentators a chance to have their say on this matter with Chris.
Regretfully, we are not infallible, and under the circumstances we operated with, with the delay for rain, and dealing with the collapsed scoreboards, we were all squeezed into trying to keep moving forward as best as we can.
So what can we do at this stage? Say we apologize, and we say so now.
Offer Chris to choose first place or second place, and we change your third place trophy to the one you choose?
Will comment on the other Constructive Criticism separately.
X2 wrote:Autosport... I don't think Chris is asking for a free ride to 1st place. But if his point is correct... then someone may have just gotten that eh..... but as the international hollywood ambassador to drag racing has said in the past.... Winning's winning.
We all realize that it's not easy to put on an event... no need for a horde of people to keep repeating that... but I am sure we all see the need for feedback on any issues that highlight real concerns in order to keep the evolving rules in line with acceptable outcomes.
Regarding the safety of the extreme ends of the track... well.... thats a tough one.
AutoSport wrote:X2, I recognize that, thus my suggestion of how we can somehow satisfy his demand for fair play, since he is convinced that he could have beaten the third fastest competitor. .
AutoSport wrote:AutoSport has been tried and found guilty by some who chose to listen to only one side. No one has asked Chris about his attitude towards the officials in the Control tent, so we shall leave that as is.
AutoSport wrote:MG Man wrote:question:
if in a single run, one competitor runs over a cone, and the other breaks out of his bracket, who gets to move on, or are they both disqualified?
Simple rule here - states touching a cone, however softly or aggressively = +1 second.
Breaking out - you lose the RUN.
Red light - you lose the run.
well thanks. because you include me in that too, and I interacted with said fella at least twice in "we" forum. Effective communication is effective. How is it other competitors can say their take on something, and have it looked at, and no one has to feel aggravated, yet one ALWAYS has a problem putting across at the point in time, normally coupled with emotional untrue twists?MG Man wrote:ARA, you still missing a big part of Chris' point, ie not the fact that an error was made, but the manner in which he was treated / dismissed, then ahving to argue his case, and now being told his attitude is bad........AutoSport wrote:AutoSport has been tried and found guilty by some who chose to listen to only one side. No one has asked Chris about his attitude towards the officials in the Control tent, so we shall leave that as is.
Really?
REALLY?
This is not the first time Chris has had to have a heated debate to get fair treatment..........I've known him since he started in dex, and I do not personally think he has a bad attitude, but like all human beings, will understandably get frustrated when being dismissed like a minor annoyance............
do you know why I asked this question:
This is not the first time Chris has had to argue to get his valid point across...........your people need to grow up.........either that or you nurturing a nice bed of Ali's for the next generation
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