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Is buying a house an investment?

Postby Monk BANzai » November 21st, 2008, 1:11 pm

coming out of a very heated Emapanada Discussion last night...which was all about budgeting your personal finances for the coming "recession".. a question was asked about Real Estate and if buying a house now is considered an investment.


some say yes...some say no....some say that the more wealthy ppl consider buying a house the LAST thing on their "to do" list of getting material things..whilst others was saying differently.


all this time "football front page boy " was sweating bullets..

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Postby ~*Pãñdorą*~ » November 21st, 2008, 1:15 pm

Not right now..
It doesn't make any sense buying a house right now, and not only is it because of the recession but in about a year or so Real Estate prices are going to plateau!! And then dive sharply because Real Estate is getting too expensive and out of reach of the average person. Land developers are going to have an excess amount of homes on their hands and will start reducing prices to raise interest in the buying public. The price you pay now for Real Estate.. you will never get back when you try to sell!!

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Postby zodiaque » November 21st, 2008, 1:15 pm

I say yes it is. if you expect the property to appreciate in value it is an investment. Just like any other investment it has risks though.

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Postby ~*Pãñdorą*~ » November 21st, 2008, 1:17 pm

Not right now..
It doesn't make any sense buying a house right now, and not only is it because of the recession but in about a year or so Real Estate prices are going to plateau!! And then dive sharply because Real Estate is getting too expensive and out of reach of the average person. Land developers are going to have an excess amount of homes on their hands and will start reducing prices to raise interest in the buying public. The price you pay now for Real Estate.. you will never get back when you try to sell!!

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Postby SUPAstarr » November 21st, 2008, 1:18 pm

~*§ãñCħїą*~, i agree what goes up must come down, the upward spiral of property prices will soon peak, the question is when???

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Postby Rudman » November 21st, 2008, 1:21 pm

all this time "football front page boy " was sweating bullets..


Why?

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Postby Dave » November 21st, 2008, 1:22 pm

a house is not a chattel

as for investment right now, all depends on how much u financing

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Postby Monk BANzai » November 21st, 2008, 1:22 pm

SUPAstarr wrote:~*§ãñCħїą*~, i agree what goes up must come down, the upward spiral of property prices will soon peak, the question is when???


our economy is not like the US or UK.... so the times of recovery we cant hold on to.....what is a realistic time for "rates to plateau?".....


and im i to keep putting out money each month out of pocket till that happens? wheres the investment there?

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Postby Mini » November 21st, 2008, 1:23 pm

it all depends on the term of the investment...

I would have agreed to this maybe 3 to 5 years ago. Like any investment there has to be sometime for it mature before you reap the benefits.

I honestly think that with property prices at a high now.. and on a slow decline in some instances, now may not be the best time to buy as an investment say for the short term, say 3 to 5 years...

however... it's always a good time to buy property... so if you're thinking in terms of 15+ years then sure

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Postby Monk BANzai » November 21st, 2008, 1:25 pm

what about consolidating other loans to take out a mortgage?....investment?

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Postby Mini » November 21st, 2008, 1:27 pm

BANzai Rastafarai wrote:what about consolidating other loans to take out a mortgage?....investment?


i not sure what you getting to...

lemme take a stab at it...

when I bought my van... i was offered to consolidate the mortgage with the van loan.... I was like "uh uh... I not paying for the van for the next 20 years"

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Postby aR&D » November 21st, 2008, 1:30 pm

~*§ãñCħїą*~ wrote:Not right now..
It doesn't make any sense buying a house right now, and not only is it because of the recession but in about a year or so Real Estate prices are going to plateau!! And then dive sharply because Real Estate is getting too expensive and out of reach of the average person. Land developers are going to have an excess amount of homes on their hands and will start reducing prices to raise interest in the buying public. The price you pay now for Real Estate.. you will never get back when you try to sell!!


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Banzai,
The old adage that "cash is king" is very much true with the ressession. The more paper money you have in hand - literally - is your best bet.
Additionally see how fast you can complete your current real estate project.

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Postby Monk BANzai » November 21st, 2008, 1:32 pm

Mini wrote:
BANzai Rastafarai wrote:what about consolidating other loans to take out a mortgage?....investment?


i not sure what you getting to...

lemme take a stab at it...

when I bought my van... i was offered to consolidate the mortgage with the van loan.... I was like "uh uh... I not paying for the van for the next 20 years"


no

...im talking about paying off other loans and freeing up your finances to handle a Mortgage...like paying off a car loan and other "small" loans as part of the Mortgage loan amount......even taking out a "fund" to the tune of say, $80K as part of the loan that you dont touch for the period of th mortgage....things like that...

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Postby SUPAstarr » November 21st, 2008, 1:33 pm

consolidation at current market rates are a beyotch, you will come out with a better debt service ratio and ability to make payments on another loan/mortgage but interest intererst interest

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Postby evo-STI-k » November 21st, 2008, 1:34 pm

prices on Houses still to high boy Banzai!

Wait it out- WHEN the recession hits, then might be a better time to buy providing you have catered for it!

Or invest in some land in a distant part of trinidad ! :idea:

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Postby Monk BANzai » November 21st, 2008, 1:37 pm

evo-STI-k wrote:prices on Houses still to high boy Banzai!

Wait it out- WHEN the recession hits, then might be a better time to buy providing you have catered for it!

Or invest in some land in a distant part of trinidad ! :idea:


yeh but EVO..that means having cash that can dispose of and it doesn't affect your pocket at the end of the month...i think alot of ppl go into buying property and not think of the damage it makes to your pocket on a monthly basis....

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Postby Mini » November 21st, 2008, 1:38 pm

BANzai Rastafarai wrote:
...im talking about paying off other loans and freeing up your finances to handle a Mortgage...like paying off a car loan and other "small" loans as part of the Mortgage loan amount......even taking out a "fund" to the tune of say, $80K as part of the loan that you dont touch for the period of th mortgage....things like that...


or hor... well I admit.. when I took out the mortgage on the house... i did have a loan pending on a car... I sold the car, paid off the loan, and bought a cheaper car that I didn't owe money on...

but that was so back then I could have met the debt-service ratio on the mortgage

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Postby evo-STI-k » November 21st, 2008, 1:40 pm

As i said ...make sure you have catered for it!

Now really is NOT the time to buy!

It will flatten out and DROP,

When people are really forced to watch their pockets, rethink their living strategies( and decide to live at home more) , and the real estate market comes to a screeching HALT- prices will come down!

The problem then will be being in the right place at the right time!

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Postby streetbeastINC. » November 21st, 2008, 1:49 pm

save your $$...
wait ..house prices will drop.

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Postby Monk BANzai » November 21st, 2008, 1:50 pm

evo-STI-k wrote:As i said ...make sure you have catered for it!

Now really is NOT the time to buy!

It will flatten out and DROP,

When people are really forced to watch their pockets, rethink their living strategies( and decide to live at home more) , and the real estate market comes to a screeching HALT- prices will come down!

The problem then will be being in the right place at the right time!



lets use the 1986 Trinidad Recession as an example. It took the country 6 yrs to fully recover from that. We;re heading into another one (due to Patos and his piggy playing antics) that we dont know how long it will span for. Is the recovery time going to be less than the last one? say, two to three years? and how do we correlate that to our buying and spending habits when it comes to Real Estate?

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Postby ~*Pãñdorą*~ » November 21st, 2008, 1:52 pm

aR&D wrote:
~*§ãñCħїą*~ wrote:Not right now..
It doesn't make any sense buying a house right now, and not only is it because of the recession but in about a year or so Real Estate prices are going to plateau!! And then dive sharply because Real Estate is getting too expensive and out of reach of the average person. Land developers are going to have an excess amount of homes on their hands and will start reducing prices to raise interest in the buying public. The price you pay now for Real Estate.. you will never get back when you try to sell!!


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Thanks.. :oops:

Banzai here's another thing to consider..
If you ARE buying property right now, a fool proof way to go is buying "investment property"...
Property that you can live in as well as either (1) run a business out of or (2) rent out apartments!!
Either way, you will always have a market as most people will choose to rent as Real Estate prices are so high and buying property is unreachable.
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Postby evo-STI-k » November 21st, 2008, 1:53 pm

the point is it will Drop- and you buy when it does- its all a cycle- so long as you buy when its at rock bottom for that period, no one can say for sure how long the wait will be But im pretty sure the returns on your investment when it hits its high will be worth more that money sitting in a bank!

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Postby streetbeastINC. » November 21st, 2008, 1:53 pm

have you seen some apt for rent at a price of 15000tt a month?

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Postby Monk BANzai » November 21st, 2008, 1:55 pm

streetbeastINC. wrote:have you seen some apt for rent at a price of 15000tt a month?


Apartment prices have sky rocketed....a single bedroom with only hot and cold and Cable is going for $3500 now in Arima. Non Furnished....and ppl paying the money...

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Postby .:PROZAC:.. » November 21st, 2008, 1:59 pm

Living at hme in Trinidad where msot of us would inherit a property or land I'd say no. Mortgages are great tax deductions though.

Living here now, my rent is pretty darn clsoe to a mortgage of a 2bdr town house.
Housing on the whole has proven to be a good investment. 10% over3 years appreciation. With recession looming, there are some jobs and services that won't be cut. My industry hasn't seen any fall out yet so job security is there as wel as lowered interest rates for mortgages. So it's an investment for me vs. renting.

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Postby Reyos » November 21st, 2008, 2:12 pm

Thanks for posting the thread Rawle....

Could not sleep last night after the discussion.....
I took RORO's advice and was doing some reseach on inflation and recession this morning, but to be very honest the more i reading the more i getting confused.

The thing that is bothering me is this......almost everyone is predicting this recession....so what is a young person suppose to do now??
Some say do not buy a house...others say now is the time to take the market....Geeze i reading more and more and i just getting lost and confused.

To me a house provides security.......can't put a price on peace of mind ...
but the job market circles around the price of oil...it take a nose dive recently and is only so much jamming companines can take before they say "hit the road jack".....
so is either buy a house or rent......i see renting as a dead investment becuase you cannot get back that money. but if you take a mortgage...it will be somewhat of an investment. because at the end of the payback period...the house will be yours....but by taking a mortgage you taking a risk....what if the price of oil goes even lower and companies start cutting back even more.....what's going to be the position then........changing profession is not an attractive opyion for me...recession will screw almost everyone over.
so i am still asking........is buying a house now a wise investment? or should i wait until this predicted recession take place....
Every knowledable person that i talk to so far says the same thing...save money now......but does save mean just leave it in the bank or should i invest it in one of the low risk investments out there (eg UTC first scheme)......

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Postby aR&D » November 21st, 2008, 2:31 pm

Some information to help us all make a better decision


US global dominance 'set to wane'

US economic, military and political dominance is likely to decline over the next two decades, according to a new US intelligence report on global trends.

The National Intelligence Council (NIC) predicts China, India and Russia will increasingly challenge US influence.

It also says the dollar may no longer be the world's major currency, and food and water shortages will fuel conflict.

However, the report concedes that these outcomes are not inevitable and will depend on the actions of world leaders.

It will make sombre reading for President-elect Barack Obama, the BBC's Jonathan Beale in Washington says, as it paints a bleak picture of the future of US influence and power.


The US will remain the single most important actor but will be less dominant
Global Trends 2025




"The next 20 years of transition to a new system are fraught with risks," says Global Trends 2025, the latest of the reports that the NIC prepares every four years in time for the next presidential term.

Washington will retain its considerable military advantages, but scientific and technological advances; the use of "irregular warfare tactics"; the proliferation of long-range precision weapons; and the growing use of cyber warfare "increasingly will constrict US freedom of action", it adds.

Nevertheless, the report concludes: "The US will remain the single most important actor but will be less dominant."

Nuclear weapons use

The NIC's 2004 study painted a rosier picture of America's global position, with US dominance expected to continue.

But the latest Global Trends report says that rising economies such as China, India, Russia and Brazil will offer the US more competition at the top of a multi-polar international system.


NIC REPORT

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The EU is meanwhile predicted to become a "hobbled giant", unable to turn its economic power into diplomatic or military muscle.

A world with more power centres will be less stable than one with one or two superpowers, it says, offering more potential for conflict.

Global warming, along with rising populations and economic growth will put additional strains on natural resources, it warns, fuelling conflict around the globe as countries compete for them.

"Strategic rivalries are most likely to revolve around trade, investments and technological innovation and acquisition, but we cannot rule out a 19th Century-like scenario of arms races, territorial expansion and military rivalries," the report says.

"Types of conflict we have not seen for a while - such as over resources - could re-emerge."

Such conflicts and resource shortages could lead to the collapse of governments in Africa and South Asia, and the rise of organised crime in Eastern and Central Europe, it adds.

And the use of nuclear weapons will grow increasingly likely, the report says, as "rogue states" and militant groups gain greater access to them.

But al-Qaeda could decay "sooner than people think", it adds, citing the group's growing unpopularity in the Muslim world.

"The prospect that al-Qaeda will be among the small number of groups able to transcend the generational timeline is not high, given its harsh ideology, unachievable strategic objectives and inability to become a mass movement," it says.

The NIC does, however, give some scope for leaders to take action to prevent the emergence of new conflicts.

"It is not beyond the mind of human beings, or political systems, [or] in some cases [the] working of market mechanisms to address and alleviate if not solve these problems," said Thomas Fingar, chairman of the NIC.

And, our correspondent adds, it is worth noting that US intelligence has been wrong before.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/a ... 741049.stm

Published: 2008/11/21 11:38:30 GMT

© BBC MMVIII



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Postby streetbeastINC. » November 21st, 2008, 2:32 pm

but i always wonder ,.. are there demands for these high priced apts?

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Postby saltydog » November 21st, 2008, 2:32 pm

An investment by definition is one that earns money for you, buying a house whilst it is an asset is a liability. Unless you are renting the house and it is earning money for you (btw the rental market right now sucks).

When you sell the house if you make a profit then it was an investment. If you plan to buy fix and sell then wait until the economy hits the real estate market hard to do so. Until then play the waiting game, pay off all loans and hold on tight to your money.

Land is a great long term investment but you have to buy at the right time. When I got my first mortgage townhouses were 400,000 now the same townhouse is 2.5M that would have been an investment in a relatively short period (10 - 15 years).

I could be wrong but I think come Jan / Feb the hard times will hit but will not last as long as in the eighties. My crystal ball says 2 years max, based on global factors. please note I do not have the same advisers as the PNM so I could be right. :lol: :lol:

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Postby Aaron 2NR » November 21st, 2008, 2:36 pm

being involved in real estate for the past couple years and i can tell you right now isnt a good time to buy anything...

real estate in trinidad has reached its peak between last year and this year and not much is selling because ppl just cant afford it...
property value is expected to fall early next year because of this...
a simple 2 bedroom house runs you in the range of 1-1.2 million for house and land.

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