Columbus ships to be removed from T&T Coat of Arms

[hover11]

They will find the money....don't worry about that

The tax dollars of hard working citizens is the easiest thing to use at their disposal how ever they feel.


Do you agree Jason?

Truer words have never been spoken

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[sMASH]

Hc34

[daring dragoon]

90% of trinis cannot play the pan but they all eat doubles, roti and pulhourie. the three ship should be removed and put a Doubles, A roti and 5$ Pulhourie.

[wing]

This design from August that became a local "meme" looks better, and that was done on a computer or phone within a few minutes.

Wonder how much they pay that female designer

Agreed this looks better. However, this is another distraction for the simpletons.

[Les Bain]

This example of unnecessary government priority would have looked less out of place if the pan was the same colour texture used for the pair of kissy birds.

[DMan7]

[Dizzy28]

This example of unnecessary government priority would have looked less out of place if the pan was the same colour texture used for the pair of kissy birds.

I see a few ppl say that the pan stands out stylistically as not matching the artistic design of everything else. It looks PC generated whilst the remainder looks hand drawn.

[paid_influencer]

would lol if it was an AI generated steelpan they used

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When they going to add the Dhantaal? Seeing as though it was also invented here?

[zoom rader]

When they going to add the Dhantaal? Seeing as though it was also invented here?

Dhantaal was not invented here,

it came from India , but it no longer exists or played in India.

It is used in Fiji, which makes it impossible to be invented in Trinidad.

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When they going to add the Dhantaal? Seeing as though it was also invented here?

Dhantaal was not invented here,

it came from India , but it no longer exists or played in India.

It is used in Fiji, which makes it impossible to be invented in Trinidad.

The dhantal (dandtal) is a long steel rod based percussion instrument (sounding similar to the triangle), which was adapted from the iron "bows" which yoked the oxen that pulled the carts on the estates in Guyana, Suriname, Trinidad and Tobago, other parts of the Caribbean.[1] The original beater (which is called a kartaal/taali) was an actual horseshoe, a shape which is still retained in the modern dhantal's beater. The top of the dhantal may be blunt or tapered to a fine point to allow for greater resonance, and its end is shaped into a circle that rests on the ground, table, or other surface when it is played. Dhantal sizes can range anywhere from 3' to 6' in length and 3/8" to 1/2" in diametre. The dhantal is an important instrument in Indo-Caribbean music styles, such as Chutney, Baithak Gana and Taan Singing.[2]
History
The dhantal (also called the dhandataal) is of Indian origin, but most commonly found in the Caribbean. The instrument was invented in the Caribbean by indentured laborers from India. The instrument's name literally means "stick percussion" from danda, "stick," and taal, the act of striking rhythmically.

You doh fed up talking a pack of lal?

[fokhan_96]

I'm surprised he didn't say the steelpan is a PNM musical instrument that's why it's on the coat of arms.

[mero]

Zoom only studying PNM and to buy Jordan's but trying to school the real east Indians on their culture and history cuz his Indian neighbour gave him sada to eat growing up.

Is this your king?

[j.o.e]

I have no problem with adding the steel pan but artistically the execution was terrible. It doesn’t match the rest of the COA

[hover11]

I have no problem with adding the steel pan but artistically the execution was terrible. It doesn’t match the rest of the COA

You don't have a problem with anything PNM decides to do

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They should have added some guns and the murder figures for last year on it

[pugboy]

so this will be rowlee achievement legacy

[mero]

They should have added some guns and the murder figures for last year on it

And trinidad killa

[pugboy]

lol trinidad killa is complete representation of our society
esp the part when he say every artiste does do the same(wrong) ting

[hover11]

lol trinidad killa is complete representation of our society
esp the part when he say every artiste does do the same(wrong) ting

Representation of our society , wrong and strong

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[death365]

that's my issue too. i coulda do ah better job using dem Ai things.

I see a few ppl say that the pan stands out stylistically as not matching the artistic design of everything else. It looks PC generated whilst the remainder looks hand drawn.

[alfa]

I find since they going through all that trouble that should have revamped the entire thing. Changing the ships to pan alone seems kinda pointless

[Cantmis]

Why we have a Jamaican instrument on our coat of arms?

[bluefete]

When they going to add the Dhantaal? Seeing as though it was also invented here?

Look Sat Maharaj people reach! Always looking to downplay what the poor people invented.

You do not even know your own history. The Dhantal was NOT invented in T&T.



"The history of the dhantal can be traced back to the arrival of Indian indentured laborers in Trinidad and Tobago in the 19th century (McLeod, 2007). The instrument was brought over by the laborers and became an essential part of their religious and cultural practices.

Today, the dhantal is recognized as an important part of Trinidad and Tobago’s cultural heritage, and efforts have been made to preserve and promote the instrument (McLeod, 2007). "

https://trinidadianpercussion.wordpress.com/dhantal/

[bluefete]

When they going to add the Dhantaal? Seeing as though it was also invented here?

Dhantaal was not invented here,

it came from India , but it no longer exists or played in India.

It is used in Fiji, which makes it impossible to be invented in Trinidad.

The dhantal (dandtal) is a long steel rod based percussion instrument (sounding similar to the triangle), which was adapted from the iron "bows" which yoked the oxen that pulled the carts on the estates in Guyana, Suriname, Trinidad and Tobago, other parts of the Caribbean.[1] The original beater (which is called a kartaal/taali) was an actual horseshoe, a shape which is still retained in the modern dhantal's beater. The top of the dhantal may be blunt or tapered to a fine point to allow for greater resonance, and its end is shaped into a circle that rests on the ground, table, or other surface when it is played. Dhantal sizes can range anywhere from 3' to 6' in length and 3/8" to 1/2" in diametre. The dhantal is an important instrument in Indo-Caribbean music styles, such as Chutney, Baithak Gana and Taan Singing.[2]
History
The dhantal (also called the dhandataal) is of Indian origin, but most commonly found in the Caribbean. The instrument was invented in the Caribbean by indentured laborers from India. The instrument's name literally means "stick percussion" from danda, "stick," and taal, the act of striking rhythmically.

You doh fed up talking a pack of lal?

Anyone can go on Wikipedia and write a pack of rubbish.

Anyway - learn about your history:

"Dhantal/Dantal:

The exact time and place of origin of this metal instrument is unknown. Although it is claimed that it originated in Trinidad and Tobago and it is unheard of in Bhojpuri regions in India, its widespread use in the Bhojpuri diaspora in chowtal worldwide shows evidence of having a common Bhojpuri root that would be from India. It is widely used in chutney, bhajans and chowtal in Trinidad and Tobago (Manuel 2013)."
https://classicalindianmusictt.wordpres ... ercussion/

You might want to read this as well - a different perspective:

https://www.academia.edu/35699641/The_D ... _Indenture

[alfa]

https://www.guardian.co.tt/article-6.2. ... 9c3d8106df
The late uncle Sat seems to be firmly convinced it was invented here, so meen know who right.
Not that I would want it or the pan on a national coat of arms. Kinda reinforces the stereotype that Caribbean people are all about partying and having fun on a beach all day

[bluefete]

https://www.guardian.co.tt/article-6.2.446445.9c3d8106df
The late uncle Sat seems to be firmly convinced it was invented here, so meen know who right.
Not that I would want it or the pan on a national coat of arms. Kinda reinforces the stereotype that Caribbean people are all about partying and having fun on a beach all day

Left to himself, Uncle Sat would have said the harmonium, dholak and dhantal were all invented in T&T.

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When they going to add the Dhantaal? Seeing as though it was also invented here?

Look Sat Maharaj people reach! Always looking to downplay what the poor people invented.

You do not even know your own history. The Dhantal was NOT invented in T&T.



"The history of the dhantal can be traced back to the arrival of Indian indentured laborers in Trinidad and Tobago in the 19th century (McLeod, 2007). The instrument was brought over by the laborers and became an essential part of their religious and cultural practices.

Today, the dhantal is recognized as an important part of Trinidad and Tobago’s cultural heritage, and efforts have been made to preserve and promote the instrument (McLeod, 2007). "

https://trinidadianpercussion.wordpress.com/dhantal/

I will proudly accept the title of Sat Maharaj people, because the other people here will not even acknowledge the East Indian contributions to the country.
Even more blatant is the not so subtle disrespect in mis-pronouncing East Indian words, the complete butchering of what a roti is and so on.Even more evident is on social media where if Indo Caribbean foos are being highlighted ,theres always someone to complain about why is only Indo foods and not pelau,calalloo etc. Those who accustomed to holding the victim card of racism do not comprehend that they also can be racist.
As for both the sources you cited there, neither one can represent any conclusive evidence that the dhantal was not invented in Trinidad. The older country folks here will know the big steel pins that were used to tie cows,goats etc back in the day.If they were wagon pins or rail pins, I don't know.But these along with Horse shoes were the basis of the dhantal.Before the dhantal,they used large coins and a cutlass to achieve similar sounds.

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Hold this
https://www.nalis.gov.tt/resources/tt-content-guide/indian-arrival-day/
This
https://icdn.today/is-there-no-other-musical-instrument-indigenous-to-tt/#google_vignette
this
http://www.trinicenter.com/more/dhantaal.htm?fbclid=IwY2xjawH7Zq1leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHSOJ8T_3Te9S4e9esmRP9MiX9ldqV6avA1x5VA1jQkhQINVtnD2raq0b5A_aem_39j--jQypzdeznVEHWO18Q
And this
https://www.guardian.co.tt/article-6.2.446445.9c3d8106df

[zoom rader]

Zoom only studying PNM and to buy Jordan's but trying to school the real east Indians on their culture and history cuz his Indian neighbour gave him sada to eat growing up.

Is this your king?

Some of these Injuns do lie.

Dhantaal was not invented in Trinidad cause It is used in Fiji.

Fiji is on the other side of the globe. Indian workers in fiji brought the Dhantaal over to Fiji from India.