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Re: Digital terrestrial (Free-to-air) television- a decade later T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

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Postby redmanjp » July 5th, 2023, 11:44 am

ATSC 3 also allows broadcasters to track viewership and perhaps target ads just like the internet.

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Re: Digital HD 4K (Free-to-air) television- a decade later T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby redmanjp » July 5th, 2023, 2:51 pm

https://www.atsc.org/news/qa-with-kurleigh-prescod-executive-officer-technology-engineering-at-telecommunications-authority-of-trinidad-and-tobago/?fbclid=IwAR3oa4q275gqyV9LEvPN5L8jLB9bma-QUVH19zXYy8synsvdwZeZP-C7cPw

Q&A WITH KURLEIGH PRESCOD, EXECUTIVE OFFICER TECHNOLOGY & ENGINEERING AT TELECOMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY OF TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO
Posted on February 3, 2023 in ATSC News


1. Why did you select ATSC 3.0 for your next-generation broadcast standard?
ATSC 3.0 was proposed by the Free-to-air (FTA) Television broadcast industry by consensus and accepted by the Telecommunications Authority of Trinidad and Tobago (the Authority), given its technical superiority to alternative Digital Terrestrial Television (DTT) standards, including its ability to support up to UHD resolution and extend to 8K, multiple transmission profiles and single frequency networks, all of which will promote spectral efficiency. Its adoption also aligns with the Authority’s principle to promote regional harmonization, since another country in the Caribbean, Jamaica, has also adopted ATSC 3.0 as its next-generation broadcast standard.

2. Tell us about the current situation in Trinidad and Tobago, from a broadcasting standpoint and how will that change with the decision to broadcast in ATSC 3.0?
Currently, there are four FTA TV broadcasters transmitting in analogue format, consuming three spectrum channels per station to obtain national coverage. With the decision to broadcast in ATSC 3.0, the Authority anticipates (1) an improvement in broadcast quality as transmissions can be expected in HD and even 4K quality, (2) reduction in spectrum use using single frequency networks, and (3) the introduction of advanced broadcast services such as datacasting and education content delivery.

3. There are many benefits to ATSC 3.0, but what do you think people in your country will find most compelling?
There are indeed many benefits. At this initial stage, I think most people will find the improvement in quality as the most valuable attribute, with additional features such as the presence of an Electronic Programming Guide and the ability to receive free-to-air content on demand also being seen as a welcome upgrade for the broadcast industry.

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Re: Digital HD 4K (Free-to-air) television- a decade later T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby redmanjp » July 5th, 2023, 2:56 pm

according to this we are 1 of only 4 countries including the US to adopt ATSC 3.0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC_3.0#Countries_and_territories_using_ATSC_3.0

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Re: Digital HD 4K (Free-to-air) television- a decade later T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

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Re: Digital HD 4K (Free-to-air) television- a decade later T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby maj. tom » July 5th, 2023, 5:27 pm

The adoption regions could end up being similar to NTSC. But now it may not be so relevant like back then because high speed internet exists now. Eventually the entire broadcasting industry will change into a medium where they can make more ad money on delivering content through the internet, rather than over-air TV.

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Re: Digital HD 4K (Free-to-air) television- a decade later T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby ed360123 » July 5th, 2023, 6:16 pm

The cheapest standalone ATSC 3.0 tuner I can find on Amazon is around 250USD. So upgrading TVs not going to be cheap.

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Re: Digital HD 4K (Free-to-air) television- a decade later T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby redmanjp » July 5th, 2023, 6:20 pm

^ unless Gov't subsidizes it. They can have awareness campaigns before some live events like Olympics next year to get ppl on board.

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Re: Digital HD 4K (Free-to-air) television- a decade later T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby paid_influencer » July 5th, 2023, 6:24 pm

redmanjp wrote:according to this we are 1 of only 4 countries including the US to adopt ATSC 3.0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC_3.0#Countries_and_territories_using_ATSC_3.0


seems like a dead standard imo. imagine the desperation for them to go interview a TATT guy. we have a grand total of NONE channels coming anytime soon NONE NONE but they interviewing we

also i have a $14,000 model year 2022 oled and it doesn't have atsc 3.0.

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Re: Digital HD 4K (Free-to-air) television- a decade later T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby redmanjp » July 5th, 2023, 6:31 pm

It's not that it's dead. It's that MOST countries ALREADY have digital free to air via ATSC 1 (US switched off analog signals since 2009) so no rush to adopt it but for us there is reason because we still using old time analog with SD definition.
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Re: Digital HD 4K (Free-to-air) television- a decade later T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby redmanjp » July 7th, 2023, 8:06 pm

maj. tom wrote:The adoption regions could end up being similar to NTSC. But now it may not be so relevant like back then because high speed internet exists now. Eventually the entire broadcasting industry will change into a medium where they can make more ad money on delivering content through the internet, rather than over-air TV.


just like starlink would suit ppl in rural areas they would also be dependent on free to air TV so this would b a significant upgrade from low res snowy analog tv. and ATSC 3 supports targeted ads and tracking of viewers directly.

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Re: Digital terrestrial (Free-to-air) television- a decade later T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby pugboy » July 7th, 2023, 8:40 pm

so the tv has to have a way of talking back to say what show it watching
presumably over internet

redmanjp wrote:ATSC 3 also allows broadcasters to track viewership and perhaps target ads just like the internet.

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Re: Digital HD 4K Free-to-air television- a decade later T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby paid_influencer » July 7th, 2023, 8:57 pm

idk if it will be an upgrade. analog tv decays gracefully so you might. still see snow or hear audio if signal bad. how will all that fancy atsc with drm and ad tracking decay


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Re: Digital HD 4K Free-to-air television- a decade later T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby redmanjp » July 7th, 2023, 9:25 pm

paid_influencer wrote:idk if it will be an upgrade. analog tv decays gracefully so you might. still see snow or hear audio if signal bad. how will all that fancy atsc with drm and ad tracking decay


u dont get snow with digital broadcasts - but if the signal is REALLY bad there would be blocks or the signal would cut out- i read somewhere it supposed to be better than ATSC 1 though and most countries using ATSC 1 - it have OFDM and other fancy technology to improve signal. of course u have to have a proper antenna.

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Re: Digital HD 4K Free-to-air television - T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby redmanjp » July 19th, 2023, 7:56 pm

T&T's Digital TV Transition Path

https://tatt.org.tt/Forms/DownloadableDocuments.aspx?Command=Core_Download&EntryId=1822

I highlighted 2 of the slides here:

DTT 2026 transition path.png
ATSC3 receivers & TVs.png
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Re: Digital HD 4K Free-to-air television - T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby redmanjp » July 19th, 2023, 8:13 pm

So it look like they hope to have an ATSC 3 signal before World Cup 2026. but in the meantime they scratching for 2 years.

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Re: Digital HD 4K Free-to-air television - T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby redmanjp » July 19th, 2023, 8:28 pm

US$80 ATSC 3 converter box. you can connect it to a TV, or router to enable broadcasts on networked devices

https://www.techradar.com/news/cheap-atsc-30-4k-receivers-are-coming-to-upgrade-your-tv-you-can-pre-order-now-for-dollar80

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The ADTH NextGen TV box is the first external ATSC 3.0 receiver to be certified by the Consumer Technology Association (CTA). It has a compact, puck-like design, and features HDMI and standard A/V outputs, along with an optical digital audio output. An Ethernet port lets you connect it to an internet router, which will allow networked devices in your home to stream TV broadcasts received by the NextGen TV box over Wi-Fi.

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Postby redmanjp » July 20th, 2023, 2:05 pm

ATSC 3.0/NEXTGENTV compatible TVs and receivers

https://www.watchnextgentv.com/shop/

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Re: Digital HD 4K Free-to-air television - T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

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redmanjp wrote:ATSC 3.0/NEXTGENTV compatible TVs and receivers

https://www.watchnextgentv.com/shop/


also have to add cost of antenna

no monthly fees tho
one time cost even works without inter net

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Re: Digital HD 4K Free-to-air television - T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby redmanjp » July 20th, 2023, 6:32 pm

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redmanjp wrote:ATSC 3.0/NEXTGENTV compatible TVs and receivers

https://www.watchnextgentv.com/shop/


also have to add cost of antenna

no monthly fees tho
one time cost even works without inter net


it should be noted that if u already watch free to air channels using a UHF antenna it will probably work for DTT.

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Re: Digital HD 4K Free-to-air television - T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby redmanjp » July 20th, 2023, 7:00 pm

UHF Band Antenna

As mentioned previously, the reception of ATSC 3.0 signals requires an antenna. From Trinidad and Tobago, the main parameter is the frequency range of the antenna. All DTT channel assignments will be in the UHF TV band 470 – 698 MHz and therefore any indoor or outdoor UHF TV band antenna will work for the reception of ATSC 3.0 in Trinidad and Tobago. Examples of indoor and outdoor antennas can be found on the following web pages:

Indoor antennas: https://www.thefreetvproject.org/best-indoor-tv-antennas

Outdoor antennas: https://www.thefreetvproject.org/best-outdoor-tv-antennas

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Re: Digital HD 4K Free-to-air television - T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby redmanjp » July 20th, 2023, 8:52 pm

1) If we get a Storm Warning or Red Alert your TV can actually turn itself on to tell u

2) no digital signal till 2025, simulcast period of 18 months, analog switch off in 2026


https://tatt.org.tt/DTT.aspx

The Telecommunications Authority of Trinidad and Tobago is pleased to inform the public that the implementation of digital terrestrial television (DTT) in Trinidad and Tobago has formally commenced.

Free To Air (FTA) television broadcasting is an important medium for the dissemination of information to the public, as it is freely accessible. The transition of FTA television to digital will bring enhanced quality service to consumer including up to 4K resolution video, access to electronic programming guides and interactive viewing. On 18th January 2023, the Authority published a notice of the adoption of the Advanced Television Systems Committee Standard Version 3.0 (ATSC 3.0) by the FTA broadcast industry as the standard for free-to-air (FTA) DTT in Trinidad and Tobago. ATSC 3.0 allows datacasting, which is a data delivery system for the transmission of data to an infinite number of devices, for use cases such as E-learning. ATSC 3.0 also has an advanced emergency alert feature which allows broadcasters to send information on emergencies to target receivers, including a wake-up signal to power-on receivers in stand-by mode. FTA television coverage will improve with the transition to digital, as broadcasters will have access to the ability to deploy single frequency networks. Broadcasters will also enjoy significant productivity gains due to reduced operational expenditure on a digital television network.

The Authority will implement the transition to DTT collaboratively with the FTA television broadcasting industry. A DTT Steering Committee will have oversight of the implementation and will guide the work of three working groups – Communication, Finance and Technical. The planned timeframe for the DTT switch-on is 2025, followed by a simulcast period of no longer than 18 months, where both analogue and digital signals will be on-air. The analogue switch-off is planned for 2026.

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Re: Digital HD 4K Free-to-air television - T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby shaneelal » September 26th, 2023, 12:49 pm

Hope this gets resolved soon.



LG drops ATSC 3.0 4K tuners from its 2024 OLED TVs and Samsung or Sony could be next
A patent battle means that LG won't be bringing a crucial bit of tech to its 2024 OLED TVs

LG was one of the very first companies to bring ATSC 3.0 tuners to its TVs back in 2020 and just three years later, it's one of the first to drop it. LG has just confirmed that its 2024 OLED TVs won't include next-generation ("NEXGEN") ATSC 3.0 4K tuners.

It's not a tech problem. It's a money problem. LG has lost its patent battle with Constellation Designs and that means the royalties payable on each ATSC 3.0 tuner have increased from three dollars to just under seven dollars.

That might not seem like a lot of money on a thousand-plus-dollar OLED TV. But LG, which is behind some of the best TVs we've had the chance of reviewing, clearly thinks it's too much money.


https://www.techradar.com/televisions/l ... ld-be-next

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Postby redmanjp » September 26th, 2023, 2:37 pm

hope this doesn't delay progress which would allow the next world cup to be broadcast in HD on a big tv screen- no cable channel can air it due to rights, unless u pay for it.

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Re: Digital HD 4K Free-to-air television - T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby paid_influencer » September 26th, 2023, 5:29 pm

shaneelal wrote:Hope this gets resolved soon.

LG drops ATSC 3.0 4K tuners from its 2024 OLED TVs and Samsung or Sony could be next
A patent battle means that LG won't be bringing a crucial bit of tech to its 2024 OLED TVs

LG was one of the very first companies to bring ATSC 3.0 tuners to its TVs back in 2020 and just three years later, it's one of the first to drop it. LG has just confirmed that its 2024 OLED TVs won't include next-generation ("NEXGEN") ATSC 3.0 4K tuners.

It's not a tech problem. It's a money problem. LG has lost its patent battle with Constellation Designs and that means the royalties payable on each ATSC 3.0 tuner have increased from three dollars to just under seven dollars.

That might not seem like a lot of money on a thousand-plus-dollar OLED TV. But LG, which is behind some of the best TVs we've had the chance of reviewing, clearly thinks it's too much money.


https://www.techradar.com/televisions/l ... ld-be-next


lol that "standard" is already a failure.

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Postby redmanjp » September 26th, 2023, 8:26 pm

^that's only because as i said before; most countries already deployed ATSC 1 and ended analog 2 decades ago so they not in a hurry to get this as they already enjoy a nice HD picture- when Olympics and world cup and what other major sporting event come around and rights bought out by a local station they not busy looking for a pirate HD stream because they not going to watch a standard def analog or cable signal from that station on a HD 4K TV.

is only a few caribbean islands still have analog- yuh eh see how old this ched is?

i would be happy to give up cable as i only have it for local channels only as part of a bundle once this is launched and i can get those channels in HD.

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Re: Digital HD 4K Free-to-air television - T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby paid_influencer » September 26th, 2023, 8:51 pm

i does deal with the general public bro. i could tell you for a FACT that plenty people happy watching TTT over the NTSC signal with a rabbit ears or a outdoor antenna. the majority only want to watch the news in the night.

analog tv is not broken, is not something that need fixing.

and these people don't want to pay. nobody buying that expensive ATSC 3.0 box. full stop.

The younger generation don't even watch TV at all, is only phone and tablet. them doh even watch news in the night. more older/middle age people watching OTA TV and for them the current scene is fine and they do not want to spend any more money.

and I doh want to get into the intricacies of how tv reception works. People who never grew up watching over-the-air expect TV antennas to work like a cable box, but reality is that artifacting and reception issues are also part of the deal. The island is not flat or that small really so some areas will need larger and more expensive antennas and again, people do not want to spend any more money.

no more spend, there is no more money. it done, empty, finish. like ATSC 3.0

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Re: Digital HD 4K Free-to-air television - T&T adopts ATSC 3.0 format

Postby redmanjp » September 27th, 2023, 2:19 pm

the reception issues first encountered with ATSC 1 are dealt with in 3.0. i suppose its a case of ignorance being bliss if we are accustom with analog.

regarding money, ppl do spend it on cable- and that's every month, including some ppl who just want a good signal for local channels that they can't get from analog. some ppl pay extra for sports channels when World Cup comes around just to see an HD signal. versus a one time cost for an antenna that could pick up an ATSC 3 signal if we had such a signal. if that cable cost keep going up wouldn't free HD look more and more attractive?

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