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Dohplaydat wrote:drchaos wrote:adnj wrote:Let's talk actual deaths at rate... they are higher than they used to be, higher than what is reported and very, very likely have only one eeexplanation - COVID. But you should know this.drchaos wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:sMASH wrote:U get immunity naturally, after infection.Dohplaydat wrote:eitech wrote:
Someone stated that there is no good argument against the vaccines.
So aren’t those who have genuine reasons for not taking the vaccine as you mentioned above arguments against the vaccine?
That's not an argument against vaccines, it's actually an argument FOR vaccines. All vaccines have had this problem where some persons are not able to take it due to allergies, immune-compromised, etc.
Therefore, the only way these persons get protected is if all of us take the vaccine.
Vaxed people can still catch it.
Who harden and dont want to vax will either develop immunity or die.
There isn't a big gain if all get vaxed,
And there isn't an increased risk if some people don't Vax. Cause they will either die or get naturally immune.
This (that there isn't a big gain) has proven to be completely untrue. 95% of the covid deaths we're having right now would not have happened if those persons were fully vaccinated. 90% of the hospitalizations we have now would not need to be there if they were vacinated.
You can't go back to any normalcy without vaccines, and you can't NOT overload hospitals without vaccines.
Basic logic, I still can't understand how some of you all don't get it.
You want to develop natural immunity? Fine, just expect hospitals jam up for months on end, and unnecessary deaths skyrocketing. So that isn't a solution.
If 99% of people took the vaccine the covid problem would be eliminated. Simple as that.
Your whole point is hinged on covid deaths ... What is the definition of a Covid death?
Also how does a vaccine prevent a covid death when a covid death is not actually a covid death???
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How many people have died because of the covid-19 pandemic? The answer depends both on the data available, and on how you define “because”. Many people who die while infected with SARS-CoV-2 are never tested for it, and do not enter the official totals. Conversely, some people whose deaths have been attributed to covid-19 had other ailments that might have ended their lives on a similar timeframe anyway. And what about people who died of preventable causes during the pandemic, because hospitals full of covid-19 patients could not treat them? If such cases count, they must be offset by deaths that did not occur but would have in normal times, such as those caused by flu or air pollution.
Rather than trying to distinguish between types of deaths, The Economist’s approach is to count all of them. The standard method of tracking changes in total mortality is “excess deaths”. This number is the gap between how many people died in a given region during a given time period, regardless of cause, and how many deaths would have been expected if a particular circumstance (such as a natural disaster or disease outbreak) had not occurred. Although the official number of deaths caused by covid-19 is now , our single best estimate is that the actual toll is people. We find that there is a 95% chance that the true value lies between and additional deaths.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... -estimates
With this logic we should start counting all road traffic deaths as caused by alcohol since some road traffic victims and perpetrators have alcohol in their systems.
You sir are a true loyal Tribal drone like the PNMites/dUNCes ... Even when you see your party/side spewing out sheit you lap it up and tell everyone to come they giving out free chocolate ice cream and its great.
Do you even know how to read?
i_code_and_stuff wrote:sMASH wrote:If unvaxed, would rather die than take a jab, and vaxed can spread it still, why force people?
If ur unvaxed and get it, u die or gain immunity. U vaxed, and still spreading it.
hope ur still uttering this garbage when you break your leg and need hospital care and cant get it because everywhere filled to the brim with covid patients
Dohplaydat wrote:Screenshot 2021-10-22 at 12.56.47 pm.png
Do any Anti-vaxxers want to explain the excess deaths?
PariaMan wrote:Less deaths with delta is due to almost 50 percent vaccination even a blind man can see that
Evidence is 98 percent in hospital are unvaccinated
Okay then, what's the strategy?nismotrinidappa wrote:Social engineering. Tests are being done to check systems. If they put it in the water many people will die yes. But they are trying to depopulate with a strategy. To answer the question posted before.
It's obvious every other factor have remained the same or gotten worse the factor that has improved is vaccination therefore its logical to conclude that that is the reason for us being in a relatively stable situationaaron17 wrote:PariaMan wrote:Less deaths with delta is due to almost 50 percent vaccination even a blind man can see that
Evidence is 98 percent in hospital are unvaccinated
ok..but time will tell
drchaos wrote:It seems you can't even grasp simple analogies ... wait that word might be to big for you let me include the definition.
a·nal·o·gy
/əˈnaləjē/
noun
1.
a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification:
"an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"
Hope thats helps ... doubt it would.
drchaos wrote:This has not, is not and will not happen.
We have a parallel healthcare system.
If you don't understand the word parallel you can google it.
drchaos wrote:A retard would use 1 year of data to justify a surge in deaths due to covid.
You need to provide excess deaths charts for the last 20 years to even remotely try to make your claim of a pattern.
ruffneck_12 wrote:hate how this thread devolves into essays quoting essays quoting essays
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The virus is basically harmless but overhyped.
The vaccine is basically harmless but overhyped.
But both are being overhyped for a reason. All these discussions are surface level.
Leh me know when yall ready to go balls deep with the tinfoil hat theories
It's the 4th leading cause of death in the US, and the 6th deadliest pandemic in history.ruffneck_12 wrote:hate how this thread devolves into essays quoting essays quoting essays
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The virus is basically harmless but overhyped.
The vaccine is basically harmless but overhyped.
But both are being overhyped for a reason. All these discussions are surface level.
Leh me know when yall ready to go balls deep with the tinfoil hat theories
drchaos wrote:i_code_and_stuff wrote:sMASH wrote:If unvaxed, would rather die than take a jab, and vaxed can spread it still, why force people?
If ur unvaxed and get it, u die or gain immunity. U vaxed, and still spreading it.
hope ur still uttering this garbage when you break your leg and need hospital care and cant get it because everywhere filled to the brim with covid patients
This has not, is not and will not happen.
We have a parallel healthcare system.
If you don't understand the word parallel you can google it.
ed360123 wrote:Okay then, what's the strategy?nismotrinidappa wrote:Social engineering. Tests are being done to check systems. If they put it in the water many people will die yes. But they are trying to depopulate with a strategy. To answer the question posted before.
The talk crazy sh-t strategy.nismotrinidappa wrote:ed360123 wrote:Okay then, what's the strategy?nismotrinidappa wrote:Social engineering. Tests are being done to check systems. If they put it in the water many people will die yes. But they are trying to depopulate with a strategy. To answer the question posted before.
Strategy?
Hunger games
Test the sh$t on the African continent
Test atmosphere on haiti
Remember it's about depopulate and then enslavement of the balance
Kill selectively
Survival of the fittest
Survival of the richest
Man wants to play god and man wants to live forever, hence being in a suspended form, age regeneration, cryo freezing, translating your consciousness into a clone of your body, or transferring you into another body, your body paralyzed but go and play in avatar world or the matrix. We are in a digital world more and more.
At the end of it all the line between what is real and what is digital/simulated gets thinner and thinner to ascertain.
Dont know if I said it here. But I told my friends If they start to mutate I won't kill them but cage them and take care of them and try my best to cure them just like in I Am legend . Tin foil hat on.
Dohplaydat wrote:ruffneck_12 wrote:hate how this thread devolves into essays quoting essays quoting essays
Like
The virus is basically harmless but overhyped.
The vaccine is basically harmless but overhyped.
But both are being overhyped for a reason. All these discussions are surface level.
Leh me know when yall ready to go balls deep with the tinfoil hat theories
The virus isn't overhyped otherwise we wouldn't have had to lockdown.
It unfortunately falls in the category where healthy people are mostly fine, thus causing a lot of people to be ignorant of its effects.
We know older and sickly people are not fine with this virus.
Combine that with a virus that's extremely infectious and results in 10% of cases to require hospitalisation, it's obvious to see that it is causing real problems across the world.
ruffneck_12 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:ruffneck_12 wrote:hate how this thread devolves into essays quoting essays quoting essays
Like
The virus is basically harmless but overhyped.
The vaccine is basically harmless but overhyped.
But both are being overhyped for a reason. All these discussions are surface level.
Leh me know when yall ready to go balls deep with the tinfoil hat theories
The virus isn't overhyped otherwise we wouldn't have had to lockdown.
It unfortunately falls in the category where healthy people are mostly fine, thus causing a lot of people to be ignorant of its effects.
We know older and sickly people are not fine with this virus.
Combine that with a virus that's extremely infectious and results in 10% of cases to require hospitalisation, it's obvious to see that it is causing real problems across the world.
Let me guess, you got these facts by the same news outlets that told you Epstein killed himself huh
Dohplaydat wrote:Idiot choas,
It's not about the analogy, it's how grossly misused it was that alarmed me. It's like you couldn't even get the simple singular point in that post. Which led me to wonder if you have even basic comprehension skills.
And that visualisation of excess deaths compares it to the average deaths at each date interval aka the historical baseline.
It is completely idiotic to think that they were comparing the last 22 months to the last year? Wanna know what the previous years would look like (i.e. before Covid), well look at New Zealand.
Dohplaydat wrote:ruffneck_12 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:ruffneck_12 wrote:hate how this thread devolves into essays quoting essays quoting essays
Like
The virus is basically harmless but overhyped.
The vaccine is basically harmless but overhyped.
But both are being overhyped for a reason. All these discussions are surface level.
Leh me know when yall ready to go balls deep with the tinfoil hat theories
The virus isn't overhyped otherwise we wouldn't have had to lockdown.
It unfortunately falls in the category where healthy people are mostly fine, thus causing a lot of people to be ignorant of its effects.
We know older and sickly people are not fine with this virus.
Combine that with a virus that's extremely infectious and results in 10% of cases to require hospitalisation, it's obvious to see that it is causing real problems across the world.
Let me guess, you got these facts by the same news outlets that told you Epstein killed himself huh
firetruck the media, I use stats from scientific journals, and other reputable statistical bodies.
Please learn how to verify research and figure out what are credible sources. Something tells me if you think 'we' get and trust stats given to us by the media then that's s reflection of your own information gathering skills.
i_code_and_stuff wrote:drchaos wrote:i_code_and_stuff wrote:sMASH wrote:If unvaxed, would rather die than take a jab, and vaxed can spread it still, why force people?
If ur unvaxed and get it, u die or gain immunity. U vaxed, and still spreading it.
hope ur still uttering this garbage when you break your leg and need hospital care and cant get it because everywhere filled to the brim with covid patients
This has not, is not and will not happen.
We have a parallel healthcare system.
If you don't understand the word parallel you can google it.
What do you think is going to happen if the facilities dedicated to covid are filled? Do you think the "regular" hospitals are going to deny covid patients? No, they will be forced to accept them, thus leading to the situation that i described. "parallel healthcare system" is nothing but a meaningless name in the face of outbreaks akin to those seen in states with low vaccination rates. you anti vax idiots are just incapable of understanding this because you've been largely shielded from the grim realities that other territories had to face. TT got lucky, but now I guess we'll wait and see if that luck holds out
ed360123 wrote:It's the 4th leading cause of death in the US, and the 6th deadliest pandemic in history.ruffneck_12 wrote:hate how this thread devolves into essays quoting essays quoting essays
Like
The virus is basically harmless but overhyped.
The vaccine is basically harmless but overhyped.
But both are being overhyped for a reason. All these discussions are surface level.
Leh me know when yall ready to go balls deep with the tinfoil hat theories
That's absolutely not overhyped.
PariaMan wrote:It's obvious every other factor have remained the same or gotten worse the factor that has improved is vaccination therefore its logical to conclude that that is the reason for us being in a relatively stable situationaaron17 wrote:PariaMan wrote:Less deaths with delta is due to almost 50 percent vaccination even a blind man can see that
Evidence is 98 percent in hospital are unvaccinated
ok..but time will tell
I love how you're basically describing yourself here.drchaos wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:ruffneck_12 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:ruffneck_12 wrote:hate how this thread devolves into essays quoting essays quoting essays
Like
The virus is basically harmless but overhyped.
The vaccine is basically harmless but overhyped.
But both are being overhyped for a reason. All these discussions are surface level.
Leh me know when yall ready to go balls deep with the tinfoil hat theories
The virus isn't overhyped otherwise we wouldn't have had to lockdown.
It unfortunately falls in the category where healthy people are mostly fine, thus causing a lot of people to be ignorant of its effects.
We know older and sickly people are not fine with this virus.
Combine that with a virus that's extremely infectious and results in 10% of cases to require hospitalisation, it's obvious to see that it is causing real problems across the world.
Let me guess, you got these facts by the same news outlets that told you Epstein killed himself huh
firetruck the media, I use stats from scientific journals, and other reputable statistical bodies.
Please learn how to verify research and figure out what are credible sources. Something tells me if you think 'we' get and trust stats given to us by the media then that's s reflection of your own information gathering skills.
I'm gonna need to correct/translate this for you guys ....
"firetruck the media, I ONLY use stats from scientific journals, and other reputable statistical bodies that confirms my BIAS. While ignoring the reputable sources of information that is against my pseudoscientific beliefs"
#fixed
drchaos wrote:
Depends on what's a covid death ...
30% false positives on PCR testing and anyone who dies with or from covid is a covid death statistic.
That sounds like we have no freaking clue on what the deaths actually are.
So no way for you to make an accurate assessment
drchaos wrote:PariaMan wrote:It's obvious every other factor have remained the same or gotten worse the factor that has improved is vaccination therefore its logical to conclude that that is the reason for us being in a relatively stable situationaaron17 wrote:PariaMan wrote:Less deaths with delta is due to almost 50 percent vaccination even a blind man can see that
Evidence is 98 percent in hospital are unvaccinated
ok..but time will tell
False ... You have no clue what percentage of the population has natural immunity at this point. So you can't claim its only the vaccine has us in a stable state.
You sir are preaching anti-science and logic.
Does everyone contracting covid die?PariaMan wrote:98 percent of deaths are unvaxed
Therefore the more unvaxed the more deaths
That's simple logic
Natural immunity just does not factor
If you truly are a doctor and you know these facts and not advocating the vaccine that's genocidedrchaos wrote:PariaMan wrote:It's obvious every other factor have remained the same or gotten worse the factor that has improved is vaccination therefore its logical to conclude that that is the reason for us being in a relatively stable situationaaron17 wrote:PariaMan wrote:Less deaths with delta is due to almost 50 percent vaccination even a blind man can see that
Evidence is 98 percent in hospital are unvaccinated
ok..but time will tell
False ... You have no clue what percentage of the population has natural immunity at this point. So you can't claim its only the vaccine has us in a stable state.
You sir are preaching anti-science and logic.
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