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Habit7 wrote:If we were doing a census, yes we don't count those abroad on the day the census was taken. But there remains nationals who are abroad temporarily like students and tourists and those abroad over longer periods like workers. They can return to TT anytime. 330,000 Trinis can send our herd immunity up or down
So if we have 485,000 fully vaccinated and 100,000 fully vaccinated students, Canadian farm workers and O&G crew return home. Do we add them to our numbers or do we only recognise ppl that were vaccinated within TT?
Relax, I think you are overthinking this. It is a simple question.
Habit7 wrote:Last year Rowley said 330,000 Trinbagonians live abroad. If they are counted within the 1.4M, are we counting them among the vaxxed/unvaxxed? Because that is like 24% of the population. And that will make the herd immune threshold either unattainable or already completed.
adnj wrote:No. It was a dumba$$ question. You probably understand that now.
Habit7 wrote:adnj wrote:No. It was a dumba$$ question. You probably understand that now.
I am sorry that it falls short of your high standards. But the fact is 1.4M is the denominator for our herd immunity, and the 330,000 abroad, a quarter of our population, does affect that.
adnj wrote:Habit7 wrote:adnj wrote:No. It was a dumba$$ question. You probably understand that now.
I am sorry that it falls short of your high standards. But the fact is 1.4M is the denominator for our herd immunity, and the 330,000 abroad, a quarter of our population, does affect that.
How? You see 330k Trini passports in line at the airport? No, you don't.
You misinterpreted the meaning of Rowley's statement -- and apparently continue to. And then asked a dumba§§ question. That's the only fact available to you.
adnj wrote:Habit7 wrote:If we were doing a census, yes we don't count those abroad on the day the census was taken. But there remains nationals who are abroad temporarily like students and tourists and those abroad over longer periods like workers. They can return to TT anytime. 330,000 Trinis can send our herd immunity up or down
So if we have 485,000 fully vaccinated and 100,000 fully vaccinated students, Canadian farm workers and O&G crew return home. Do we add them to our numbers or do we only recognise ppl that were vaccinated within TT?
Relax, I think you are overthinking this. It is a simple question.
Habit7 wrote:adnj wrote:Habit7 wrote:If we were doing a census, yes we don't count those abroad on the day the census was taken. But there remains nationals who are abroad temporarily like students and tourists and those abroad over longer periods like workers. They can return to TT anytime. 330,000 Trinis can send our herd immunity up or down
So if we have 485,000 fully vaccinated and 100,000 fully vaccinated students, Canadian farm workers and O&G crew return home. Do we add them to our numbers or do we only recognise ppl that were vaccinated within TT?
Relax, I think you are overthinking this. It is a simple question.
You speak of me misinterpreting Rowley's statement but misinterpret me as saying 330,000 persons will be returning to TT.
If you cant answer it just move on. I simply want to know if ppl vaccinated abroad are counted among our locally vaccinated number so as to achieve herd immunity.
Habit7 wrote:If we were doing a census, yes we don't count those abroad on the day the census was taken. But there remains nationals who are abroad temporarily like students and tourists and those abroad over longer periods like workers. They can return to TT anytime. 330,000 Trinis can send our herd immunity up or down
So if we have 485,000 fully vaccinated and 100,000 fully vaccinated students, Canadian farm workers and O&G crew return home. Do we add them to our numbers or do we only recognise ppl that were vaccinated within TT?
Relax, I think you are overthinking this. It is a simple question.
Dohplaydat wrote:It would take over a year for all 330k foreign trinis to come back anyway.
Dizzy28 wrote:Rowley's statement on the 330,000 persons last year was politicking meant at the time to frighten the population into accepting the closed border policy.
Our constitution allows for dual citizenship and we have a lot of those due to migration (%age wise). Never meant they all wanted to come or were willing to come back here.
adnj wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:Rowley's statement on the 330,000 persons last year was politicking meant at the time to frighten the population into accepting the closed border policy.
Our constitution allows for dual citizenship and we have a lot of those due to migration (%age wise). Never meant they all wanted to come or were willing to come back here.
Someone seems to get it.
MoH only tracks vaccinations given at a TTO site.
MoH assumes a 10% band (140k) of population necessary to reach their immunity targets.
https://tt.loopnews.com/content/how-clo ... y-explains
MoH targets are adjusted for projected natural immunity due to infection (information is provided from PAHO).
TTO annual net migration is less than +/-1% and deemed insignificant for national population adjustment with respect to MoH target setting.
The answer is: No. The number of TTO citizens living abroad is of little consequence to target estimates and is not considered.
Habit7 wrote:adnj wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:Rowley's statement on the 330,000 persons last year was politicking meant at the time to frighten the population into accepting the closed border policy.
Our constitution allows for dual citizenship and we have a lot of those due to migration (%age wise). Never meant they all wanted to come or were willing to come back here.
Someone seems to get it.
MoH only tracks vaccinations given at a TTO site.
MoH assumes a 10% band (140k) of population necessary to reach their immunity targets.
https://tt.loopnews.com/content/how-clo ... y-explains
MoH targets are adjusted for projected natural immunity due to infection (information is provided from PAHO).
TTO annual net migration is less than +/-1% and deemed insignificant for national population adjustment with respect to MoH target setting.
The answer is: No. The number of TTO citizens living abroad is of little consequence to target estimates and is not considered.
You are don't seem to get it either.
The 330,000 ppl are not all permanent residents. Among them are students, temporary workers and tourists who are normally resident here in Trinidad. This is not migration. If they were vaccinated abroad and returned to their HOME here in TT, are they numbered among our fully vaccinated population towards herd immunity?
We are likely to be vaccinating well into 2022, are we just continue for years hoping for 1.1M full vaccinations locally in TT when locals already got vaccinated abroad?
If you don't have an answer just ignore it nah, you want to argue how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and not bring anything substantial to the answer.
Habit7 wrote:adnj wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:Rowley's statement on the 330,000 persons last year was politicking meant at the time to frighten the population into accepting the closed border policy.
Our constitution allows for dual citizenship and we have a lot of those due to migration (%age wise). Never meant they all wanted to come or were willing to come back here.
Someone seems to get it.
MoH only tracks vaccinations given at a TTO site.
MoH assumes a 10% band (140k) of population necessary to reach their immunity targets.
https://tt.loopnews.com/content/how-clo ... y-explains
MoH targets are adjusted for projected natural immunity due to infection (information is provided from PAHO).
TTO annual net migration is less than +/-1% and deemed insignificant for national population adjustment with respect to MoH target setting.
The answer is: No. The number of TTO citizens living abroad is of little consequence to target estimates and is not considered.
You are don't seem to get it either.
The 330,000 ppl are not all permanent residents. Among them are students, temporary workers and tourists who are normally resident here in Trinidad. This is not migration. If they were vaccinated abroad and returned to their HOME here in TT, are they numbered among our fully vaccinated population towards herd immunity?
We are likely to be vaccinating well into 2022, are we just continue for years hoping for 1.1M full vaccinations locally in TT when locals already got vaccinated abroad?
If you don't have an answer just ignore it nah, you want to argue how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and not bring anything substantial to the answer.
Habit7 wrote:adnj wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:Rowley's statement on the 330,000 persons last year was politicking meant at the time to frighten the population into accepting the closed border policy.
Our constitution allows for dual citizenship and we have a lot of those due to migration (%age wise). Never meant they all wanted to come or were willing to come back here.
Someone seems to get it.
MoH only tracks vaccinations given at a TTO site.
MoH assumes a 10% band (140k) of population necessary to reach their immunity targets.
https://tt.loopnews.com/content/how-clo ... y-explains
MoH targets are adjusted for projected natural immunity due to infection (information is provided from PAHO).
TTO annual net migration is less than +/-1% and deemed insignificant for national population adjustment with respect to MoH target setting.
The answer is: No. The number of TTO citizens living abroad is of little consequence to target estimates and is not considered.
You are don't seem to get it either.
The 330,000 ppl are not all permanent residents abroad. Among them are students, temporary workers and tourists who are normally resident here in Trinidad. This is not migration. If they were vaccinated abroad and returned to their HOME here in TT, are they numbered among our fully vaccinated population towards herd immunity?
We are likely to be vaccinating well into 2022, are we just continue for years hoping for 1.1M full vaccinations locally in TT when locals already got vaccinated abroad?
If you don't have an answer just ignore it nah, you want to argue how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and not bring anything substantial to the answer.
Habit7 wrote:Nobody said 330,000 ppl would be returning home at once, it was just context for the number of nationals abroad. The question was whether they were counted within the 1.4M or not. Because whichever amount of those ppl return home, do they add to either our vaxxed or unvaxxed numbers, thereby affecting our herd immunity? Do we record John Q Trini on a one-way or return flight to TT as a vaxxed or unvaxxed on the goal to national herd immunity.
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Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Digicel Jamaica vaccine mandates for employees
Employees to pay for PCR tests.
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shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Screenshot 2021-09-29 at 9.27.44 PM.jpg
Ah hope they have for my 2nd shot ...I done seeing people getting wrong vaccine
redmanjp wrote:shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Screenshot 2021-09-29 at 9.27.44 PM.jpg
Ah hope they have for my 2nd shot ...I done seeing people getting wrong vaccine
that should be a reason to sue. they made a mistake and if u get serious adverse reactions it could have been due to that. the liability waiver should not apply where mistakes are made.
Our study includes individuals with positive SARS–CoV–2 RT PCR in the Washington Disease Reporting System and with available viral genome data, from December 1, 2020 to July 30, 2021.
Of the 27,814 cases, 23,170 (83.3%) were sequenced through sentinel surveillance, of which 726 (3.1%) were hospitalized due to COVID–19.
Higher hospitalization risk was found for infections with Gamma (HR 3.17, 95% CI 2.15–4.67), Beta (HR: 2.97, 95% CI 1.65–5.35), Delta (HR: 2.30, 95% CI 1.69–3.15), and Alpha (HR 1.59, 95% CI 1.26–1.99) compared to infections with an ancestral lineage.
Following VOC infection, unvaccinated patients show a similar higher hospitalization risk, while vaccinated patients show no significant difference in risk, both when compared to unvaccinated, ancestral lineage cases. Infection with a VOC results in a higher hospitalization risk, with an active vaccination attenuating that risk. Our findings support promoting hospital preparedness, vaccination, and robust genomic surveillance.
Dohplaydat wrote:New study on hospitalization rates for different strains.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21264272v1Our study includes individuals with positive SARS–CoV–2 RT PCR in the Washington Disease Reporting System and with available viral genome data, from December 1, 2020 to July 30, 2021.
Of the 27,814 cases, 23,170 (83.3%) were sequenced through sentinel surveillance, of which 726 (3.1%) were hospitalized due to COVID–19.
Higher hospitalization risk was found for infections with Gamma (HR 3.17, 95% CI 2.15–4.67), Beta (HR: 2.97, 95% CI 1.65–5.35), Delta (HR: 2.30, 95% CI 1.69–3.15), and Alpha (HR 1.59, 95% CI 1.26–1.99) compared to infections with an ancestral lineage.
Following VOC infection, unvaccinated patients show a similar higher hospitalization risk, while vaccinated patients show no significant difference in risk, both when compared to unvaccinated, ancestral lineage cases. Infection with a VOC results in a higher hospitalization risk, with an active vaccination attenuating that risk. Our findings support promoting hospital preparedness, vaccination, and robust genomic surveillance.
Several countries have allowed mixing COVID vaccines: Here is all you need to knowredmanjp wrote:shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Screenshot 2021-09-29 at 9.27.44 PM.jpg
Ah hope they have for my 2nd shot ...I done seeing people getting wrong vaccine
that should be a reason to sue. they made a mistake and if u get serious adverse reactions it could have been due to that. the liability waiver should not apply where mistakes are made.
.adnj wrote:Several countries have allowed mixing COVID vaccines: Here is all you need to knowredmanjp wrote:shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Screenshot 2021-09-29 at 9.27.44 PM.jpg
Ah hope they have for my 2nd shot ...I done seeing people getting wrong vaccine
that should be a reason to sue. they made a mistake and if u get serious adverse reactions it could have been due to that. the liability waiver should not apply where mistakes are made.
While studies have proved their benefits to be aplenty, some medical experts and doctors still continue to be wary of pushing the policy into use, just yet, citing the lack of available data and concerns.
When COVID-19 vaccination drives were first kickstarted, authorities continued to attest that beneficiaries should only and only get doses of the same kind, i.e., same vaccine model. However, not only would a mixing policy allow people to secure two different doses, but go against equitable distribution, but there's simply a lack of available data right now to support the same, and determine if mixing together experimental COVID-19 vaccines is actually that effective.
The push of tweaked vaccination policies has also become a concerning issue for global health authorities, such as the WHO who believe that mixing vaccines right away could be a 'dangerous' trend since it allows people to decide for themselves- when, and what vaccines they would get.
The experimental push could also further dry up resources for the countries which do not have enough resources yet.
Is it safe?
The immunogenicity and tolerability results from several clinical trials have shown that there is no harm in mixing and matching COVID-19 vaccines right now, and instead, it would only build better immune strength. However, there's no relevant, or substantial data to support the safety as yet.
While there are some who have stressed that mixing vaccines could lead to more, or different side-effects than expected, safety on the usage of such vaccines can only be ascertained after when we have enough data to back the same. Nonetheless, preliminary research has still proven the benefits of trying out a mix and match policy.
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