TECH Thread - MITSUBISHI L200, Sportero, Triton.

[ado15mk3]

i wasn't talking about the vehicle. i mean from that $90k you refer to, how much would need to be added to get the look of the posted pic. eg. adding snorkel, stone shield, roof rack, front bumper etc.
include paint job too. i even think that 50k wouldn't be enough to do those upgrades.

[venum]

That is an L200 Sport HPE

[DIESEL ROCKS]

Just read through the thread, nice.

[kriticalkase]

guys, anyone has a right side tail light for the Sportero for sale?

dennis
789 7374

[venum]

had Teri's brake fluid flushed today

used Lockheed DOT 4

[ronsin1]

going for my 30,000 KM service within two weeks
Will be changing brake pads Bought from Simpson motors at half the price of the firm
Diesel Filter I had a substitute install at 20K service as I did not get the original From Simpson motors as well
Vehicle will be treated to Amsoil as usual

Will look at alignment and rotation as well as I did that at 15K then it's off to get inspected

[venum]

^^^ hadda love Simpsons for their prices

I got some from Simpsons the other day, they have stock now

OEM accessory belts are better priced locally

changed Power steering fluid today - Amsoil

see this thread for the details
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=100325

fluid was dirty

[525isport]

i need some help from the L200 people . i need a crank sensor for a 4d56 turbo . does anyone know where i can buy on locally it looks like this one i found on the net

[venum]

Diamond Motors

I would buy OEM from Simpsons in Barbados

check Special Auto, Faiz in Marabella

[525isport]

thanks for the names . i will call around to see who has it . any idea on what kinda price this sensor wil go for ??

[venum]

part numbers update on first page

[525isport]

man you would think i was talking spanish for these people , i called all of them except simpsons and they all said " a what for a what kinda engine " followed by "the 4d56 doesnt carry a crank sensor"
these companys think they know too much.

anyone knows the part number for this ??

[venum]

use simpson's online part request

they will replay with teh pprice and OEM part number

[525isport]

use simpson's online part request

they will replay with teh pprice and OEM part number

yea i did . just wating on the reply. i thought i would ask here too.

[525isport]

well simpsons dont have it and they dont even have a part number for it .. this is the hardest part to find . i will have to keep looking ,if i had a part number i could order it online

[sunjay]

please delete this comment !!!

[speedaholic]

ah want a power steering box... for a L200 2wd

[Val]

Has anyone tried a Walkinshaw suspension package on their Sportero?
http://www.walkinshawperformance.co.uk/ ... Mitsubishi L200&id=18

It's supposed to greatly improve ride and handling without sacrificing tow rating or tray loading capacity.

[venum]

no one here has that

they come factory fit from the dealer in the uk - very highly expensive trim, higher than the diamond and elegance models

[525isport]

hey venum i never found the crank sensor but i repaired the old one so thats over .

now im looking for the routing diagram of the vacuum lines for the 2002 l200 4d56 with EGR and electrionic injector pump.if there is one that is , because ive been looking and i cant find one

[venum]

I have teh service manual but I don't think that it has teh wiring diagram for the elec pump

pump still takes timing from crank

[525isport]

yea the pump is timed off the timing belt like normal . but i really need the VACUUM LINES routing not wiring . it starting and running but the check engine light comes on after a while . and sometimes it wont rev past 2500 RPM so my guess is its EGR related and the vacuum lines are mixed up somewhere .

[venum]

ditto on the vacuum lines

[Val]

Spoke with a DM Tech today. He mentioned the following:

1. A fuel calibration needs to be done to set the pump to run properly with our diesel. Said that this makes the engine quieter, and restores power. I have never done it, and would like to know if anyone here has done it and what were the results. I'm going to try it anyway, if I can get the van to run the way I want without the boost controller etc, then I'm going for it and removing the non-stock items (eliminate smoking).

2. He and another said that the fuel treatments (like amsoil cetane boost and diesel concentrate) should not be used because they damage the electronics in the injectors causing them to wear over time. He said that it leads to the injectors leaking fuel into the cylinders, essentially flooding them and makes it difficult to start and leads to black smoke. I've been using these for 40000 kms and haven't had issues yet.

3. He said that the K&N oiled filters have the potential to cause the MAF sensor to get gummed up with oil, reducing their effectiveness and potentially damaging them. He recommended the OEM style filters. I have personally used a K&N oiled filter in my Corolla for 150000kms without issue. Is this an issue with the Sporteros given the proximity of the maf sensor to the air box?

[ronsin1]

Spoke with a DM Tech today. He mentioned the following:

1. A fuel calibration needs to be done to set the pump to run properly with our diesel. Said that this makes the engine quieter, and restores power. I have never done it, and would like to know if anyone here has done it and what were the results. I'm going to try it anyway, if I can get the van to run the way I want without the boost controller etc, then I'm going for it and removing the non-stock items (eliminate smoking). THIS IS TRUE We recently redone a generator fuel system and it needed calibrating of the fuel rack, pump and rail to stop the smoking

2. He and another said that the fuel treatments (like amsoil cetane boost and diesel concentrate) should not be used because they damage the electronics in the injectors causing them to wear over time. He said that it leads to the injectors leaking fuel into the cylinders, essentially flooding them and makes it difficult to start and leads to black smoke. I've been using these for 40000 kms and haven't had issues yet.

I am not sure about that I have heard views both for and against Treatments

3. He said that the K&N oiled filters have the potential to cause the MAF sensor to get gummed up with oil, reducing their effectiveness and potentially damaging them. He recommended the OEM style filters. I have personally used a K&N oiled filter in my Corolla for 150000kms without issue. Is this an issue with the Sporteros given the proximity of the maf sensor to the air box?

K&N filters have the tendency to let a lot of unwanted micro debris into the fuel system I would not doubt that the oil that is used to trap dirt will get into the MAF causing the problem

My responses

[venum]

Spoke with a DM Tech today. He mentioned the following:

1. A fuel calibration needs to be done to set the pump to run properly with our diesel. Said that this makes the engine quieter, and restores power. I have never done it, and would like to know if anyone here has done it and what were the results. I'm going to try it anyway, if I can get the van to run the way I want without the boost controller etc, then I'm going for it and removing the non-stock items (eliminate smoking). THIS IS TRUE We recently redone a generator fuel system and it needed calibrating of the fuel rack, pump and rail to stop the smoking

to my knowledge this is true in principle, as all fuel pumps can be adjusted and tuned to operate optimally as the manufacturer will have catered different fuel grades into their design. there would be a upper and lower limit though. this has to be done with some amount of measurement and calibration as we also tune our diesel equipment just like ronsin1 mentioned, but according to manufacturer specs

as for adjusting the injection pump to operate on our grade of diesel, i do not know anyone that has done it on a common rail engine. older direct injection pumps were adjusted by mechs by trial and error\observation. i am not even sure that DM would have done this adjustment to any of the vehicles that they sold as this may have voided the engine warranty they have with the factory

there were rumors that our local diesel did not pass Toyota's factory test for compatibility with the D4D engines, and resulted in no warranty from the factory to the dealer

whether Mitsubishi did\does the same is unknown

it is well known that our diesel quality is crap and whether the adjustment on the DiD pumps can go low enough for the quality of diesel is uncertain as there needs to be measurements to support the adjustment

i have noticed though that in the older common rail engines, i.e. >5 years old, they do NOT smoke as much as their similarly aged direct injection predecessors

i.e. there were more 5 year old 4D56T, 4M40, TD25, 1KZTE, 2LT, 3LT etc with noticeable smoking problems than 5 year old 4D56 DiD, TD25 DDi, 2KD-FTV, 1KD-FTV

2. He and another said that the fuel treatments (like amsoil cetane boost and diesel concentrate) should not be used because they damage the electronics in the injectors causing them to wear over time. He said that it leads to the injectors leaking fuel into the cylinders, essentially flooding them and makes it difficult to start and leads to black smoke. I've been using these for 40000 kms and haven't had issues yet.

I am not sure about that I have heard views both for and against Treatments

i call rubbish on this. there are worthless treatments on the market, but there are really great ones too

I have been using diesel concentrate for teh past 30,000km, the L200 has 103,500km on it and does not smoke

treatments protect the pumps

in my experience (and I have tried several treatmenst on teh previous L200), the good treatments are good for the fuel system

3. He said that the K&N oiled filters have the potential to cause the MAF sensor to get gummed up with oil, reducing their effectiveness and potentially damaging them. He recommended the OEM style filters. I have personally used a K&N oiled filter in my Corolla for 150000kms without issue. Is this an issue with the Sporteros given the proximity of the maf sensor to the air box?

K&N filters have the tendency to let a lot of unwanted micro debris into the fuel system I would not doubt that the oil that is used to trap dirt will get into the MAF causing the problem

special attention needs to be observed for any vehicle with a MAF sensor as it can easily become fouled over time due to its design

K&N filters do have larger pores to allow more air flow so there would be more particles that escape the filter and get onto the MAF sensor

the oil is really to trap these particles. application of too much oil would cause the excess oil to be deposited onto the MAF element and thus trap the escaped particles there. I had a K&N drop-in filter in the previous L200 and noticed increased performance due to more air flow

[Val]

Well I've been using the Amsoil diesel concentrate probably every 4 fill ups, and the Amsoil cetane boost every fill up (2 oz each) and the vehicle doesn't smoke and is noticeably quieter and has more power.
If the calibration can do the same thing without the additives, then it would be worth it. THing is I'm not sure whether they don't want to use treatments to sell their fuel injetion cleaning services.

I've used the K&N filter and recharged several times in the Corolla with the proper oiling process and no fouling of the MAF sensor ever occured. Same process I use for the L200.

[venum]

Well I've been using the Amsoil diesel concentrate probably every 4 fill ups, and the Amsoil cetane boost every fill up (2 oz each) and the vehicle doesn't smoke and is noticeably quieter and has more power.

I use 3oz of the Diesel concentrate every fillup

If the calibration can do the same thing without the additives, then it would be worth it.

you will me missing out on the additional benefits that the treatment has on the quality of the fuel, like increased lubricity to the internals of the pump

i also doubt that the tuning of the pump may have increased performance, may actually retard the performance as the tuning may have to be downwards to match teh actual quality of the fuel

I've used the K&N filter and recharged several times in the Corolla with the proper oiling process and no fouling of the MAF sensor ever occured. Same process I use for the L200.

yep, proper oiling will not have any excess oil to foul teh MAF

[booEVO]

Any one know where I can get a K34 rear diff (ratio 4.625)? My Ring and Pinion in pieces. PM me any info you may have.

Thanks guys.

[Big Z]

Diesel additives can be divided into cleaners and cetane boosters.

Cleaners that I am aware of:
a. Amsoil Diesel Concentrate
b. kerosene

My standard recommendation for cleaners (Amsoil Diesel Concentrate) is one bottle used on a monthly basis. This is more geared toward keeping the fuel delivery system clean, as opposed to keeping the injector and pump clean.

As venum mentioned, lubricity is a very important factor in pump life. Kerosene's lubricity is very low compared to diesel, and this will lead to accelerated pump wear if used on a regular basis. It should be noted that winter diesel formulations contain more kerosene, but this is to prevent diesel from freezing (gelling) at the low temperatures. As such, the use of kerosene should be avoided.

Cetane Boosters:
I believe almost every additive company has a cetane booster.
The following list is the preferred cetane boosters in preferred order, when using similar dosages, from a 2007 Hilux driver. (Not sure what else was tried)
a. Schaeffer Deisel Treat 2000
b. Amsoil Cetane Boost
c. Redline 85+/Diesel fuel Catalyst (Both are the same formulation. Email Dave from Redline Oil to confirm if you wish.)

Given the small values in which these are added, there should be no ill effects from lubricity reduction. Indeed, some of these additives have very high lubricity.
Cetane Boosters reduce ignition time, increase power, increase fuel economy, reduce smoke, reduce vibration and reduce start time. I have also seen claims of reduced oil sludge formation, which seems plausible as there is less carbon particles (soot) to contaminate the oil.



It has been my experience, both on my personal vehicles and on customer's vehicles, that there is no replacement for a proper injector and pump service. I used Redline SI-1 religiously on two vehicles purchased from new. Gasoline fuel injection service on theses vehicles at approximately 33k km and 45k km respectively provided noticeable improvements in performance.

As for the Hilux (same one mentioned above), despite the use of the cleaner mentioned above, pump and injector service at 10k km (Yes... 10 000 km) intervals has made improvements in power and engine smoothness.

This is why I no longer recommend using cleaners on every fuel fill up. One bottle monthly, just to keep the fuel system clean.
Now, I understand that there are situations where cleaners create a huge improvement, but these cases are usually limited to vehicles which have been neglected maintenance wise.