***2023 murder toll thread***

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Shakes or Frank, why don't you guys create a Google Sheet with the timestamp, location,.name for each murder.

Would be good for doing some data analysis afterwards

Locations are included in most updates...timings can be a bit off....classifying each murder would come way after the fact or sometimes immediately, which would be constantly reviewing/updating the thread....

Daz pressure

[16 cycles]

Men dressed as police, soldiers gun down America citizen
1 hr ago
Drew Taylor Kowlessar
Drew Taylor Kowlessar



Men dressed as police officers and soldiers gunned down an American citizen in Arima on Tuesday.

Dead is Drew Taylor Kowlessar aka Drew Boy, 31, a US Citizen of #2 Sherwood Park, Arima, an aread common called “Congo”.

Police arrived at nightfall after getting a report that explosions were heard at Queen Street, opposite Detours Store.


They found Kowlessar dead on the pavement.

Officers were told that at around 6:30pm, Kowlessar was at a store in the Drag Mall on Queen Street, Arima when a black Nissan X-Trail, registration unknown, with blue flashing lights to the front, pulled up and four men got out.

Two men were dressed in police operational wear two in camouflage worn by soldiers.

The men went into the store and pulled him onto the pavement where they shot him several times.

They left in the vehicle.

The scene was processed by Crime Scene Personnel where twenty-two 5.56 spent shells, and a live round of 5.56 were retrieved.

https://trinidadexpress.com/newsextra/m ... a0e15.html

MO is alarming..

[ruffneck_12]

Shakes or Frank, why don't you guys create a Google Sheet with the timestamp, location,.name for each murder.

Would be good for doing some data analysis afterwards

yeah
also add some extra info
domestic, child/adult, robbery or hit, gold chain wearer, and ethnicity if desired

Endorsed.

There was a time they posted a list of murder victims with their general area in the papers, about 10 years ago

I underlined every one from Lavantille/maloney and it was literally about 75% of the list

[FrankChag]

Shakes or Frank, why don't you guys create a Google Sheet with the timestamp, location,.name for each murder.

Would be good for doing some data analysis afterwards

yeah
also add some extra info
domestic, child/adult, robbery or hit, gold chain wearer, and ethnicity if desired

Endorsed.

There was a time they posted a list of murder victims with their general area in the papers, about 10 years ago

I underlined every one from Lavantille/maloney and it was literally about 75% of the list

Interested.. We could start by maybe putting the location in brackets?

714: John Doe-Baksh-Lal [Penal]

Would be easy to pull out location from brackets.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

18: Farrel Toussaint shot and killed in maraval
19: unidentified male found with stab wounds in Las Lomas

[MaxPower]

the govt can certainly do something by choosing a cop who walks the talk and inspires confidence in the ttps and not just hot air

pug,

You cannot inspire a complacent culture.

Let’s be real na….a Braveheart and Maximus Decimus Meridius speech doesn’t work.

[Dohplaydat]

Shakes or Frank, why don't you guys create a Google Sheet with the timestamp, location,.name for each murder.

Would be good for doing some data analysis afterwards

yeah
also add some extra info
domestic, child/adult, robbery or hit, gold chain wearer, and ethnicity if desired

Endorsed.

There was a time they posted a list of murder victims with their general area in the papers, about 10 years ago

I underlined every one from Lavantille/maloney and it was literally about 75% of the list

Interested.. We could start by maybe putting the location in brackets?

714: John Doe-Baksh-Lal [Penal]

Would be easy to pull out location from brackets.

Not super hard to keep it updated if it's just a 10 a week, I could help out if you want

[SRH]

I saw this report https://newsday.co.tt/2023/01/07/sangre ... shot-dead/ which appears to be similar (M.O. /Date/Location) to the one you describe here, but the name of the victim is David Hinds, whereas yours is Francis Phillips...is this a naming mix up or could this possibly be another murder to be added to your list?

8:body of Francis Phillips found with gunshot wounds to the head in s/grande

[MaxPower]

yeah
also add some extra info
domestic, child/adult, robbery or hit, gold chain wearer, and ethnicity if desired

Would i be correct to assume that most are gold chain wearers and of African descent?

Is this an outright attack on our BLACK brothers and sisters?

[pugboy]

Max,

collating facts is racist ?
when I go to make a report in the station I also have to fill out a form which has questions about my height, hair, eyes and race
is that racist also ? Same thing with passport and many other national documents

yeah
also add some extra info
domestic, child/adult, robbery or hit, gold chain wearer, and ethnicity if desired

Would i be correct to assume that most are gold chain wearers and of African descent?

Is this an outright attack on our BLACK brothers and sisters?

[shake d livin wake d dead]

20: unidentified male shot and killed in morvant

21: unidentified male shot and killed in st.johns road, st.augustine

[MaxPower]

Max,

collating facts is racist ?
when I go to make a report in the station I also have to fill out a form which has questions about my height, hair, eyes and race
is that racist also ? Same thing with passport and many other national documents

pug,

With you 10/10.

Unfortunately other people will make an issue when you collate the facts.

It’s like if you write an article in the papers saying the majority of criminals are black, the majority of the 600+ murders are black…even though we somewhat know the facts, you put pen to paper, or make it known publicly, you are gonna be deemed a racist.

You go put shakes in a position when it have 10 consecutive murders and he have to type black for each one lol

[pugboy]

yes, shakes will be deemed a racist for one reason or another
what do you propose as a solution ?

[MaxPower]

yes, shakes will be deemed a racist for one reason or another
what do you propose as a solution ?

Well boi it’s a nice thread so i say let the top dog continue what he’s doing.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

20: unidentified male shot and killed in morvant

21: unidentified male shot and killed in st.johns road, st.augustine

21: Jason cudjoe

[shake d livin wake d dead]

22: decomposed body of teddy sylvester found in petit Valley. It is alleged that he was kidnapped a few days ago

[shake d livin wake d dead]

8: unidentified male shot and killed in Claxton bay

Identified as mikhail lovell

[shake d livin wake d dead]

23: unidentified male shot and killed in Santa cruz

[shake d livin wake d dead]

23: unidentified male shot and killed in Santa cruz

This is now a double murder...so that's 24...

25: unidentified male shot and killed in cumuto

[redmanjp]

Criminality is linked to single parent households. The youths become wayward when there isn't a father figure.
What is the rate of those households among Afro vs Indo Trinidadians?

[hover11]

Criminality is linked to single parent households. What is the rate of those households among Afro vs Indo Trinidadians?

Where is the evidence to support this.....how many criminals have both parents who enable their children to be criminals. They know their son or daughter works nowhere but always have money yet stay quiet because they benefit....

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Criminality is linked to single parent households. The youths become wayward when there isn't a father figure.
What is the rate of those households among Afro vs Indo Trinidadians?

That's an entire thread by itself. You need proper stats to support those claims otherwise you digging a deep hole for yourself

[redmanjp]

take your pick guys

https://www.google.com/search?q=criminality+single+motherhood

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/single-parent-families-cause-juvenile-crime-juvenile-crime-opposing

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/report/the-real-root-causes-violent-crime-the-breakdown-marriage-family-and

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40865-021-00183-7

https://nscr.nl/en/higher-risk-of-criminal-behaviour-with-children-growing-up-in-a-single-parent-family/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1756061616300957

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1068316X.2020.1774589

i am certainly not saying every single parent household breeds criminals- i come from one myself although i kept in touch with my dad- but sadly the stats seem to speak for themselves

[pugboy]

man of them youths grow up with the grandparents
end up taking leadership from the local gang boss who gives them treats that their parents don’t give them

[hover11]

You can make the child but you can't make the child mind. Alot of other factors affect why ppl choose the life of crime not just the type of parenthood they were raised under. Some ppl have no conscience or moral compass to guide them so they don't see themselves as criminals, they see it as they had no other options.

[redmanjp]

hover while there are other factors such as poverty, living in a gang neighborhood, etc. , not having a male figure in the house to instill discipline and be a male role model is a main one.

[MaxPower]

Fellas,

I think it is pretty much clear cut the various reasons why people turn to lives of crime.

Google the list.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

23: unidentified male shot and killed in Santa cruz

This is now a double murder...so that's 24...

25: unidentified male shot and killed in cumuto

Confirmed one died in Santa cruz. The next one fighting up in hospital. Deceased identified as denelson kennedy

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Two persons killed in cumuto identified as clive straker(number 24 in the tally)

25: kelvin thomas

[shake d livin wake d dead]

26: doonath seepersad found chopped to death in arouca