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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby maj. tom » March 16th, 2023, 10:15 am

hmm I wonder if it's by coincidence that.... *checks notes*
No it wasn't UNC in power from 2003 to 2010. I'm very sure there were protests and opinions, but you need to find the records in those years from the archived newspapers.


In 2010 as soon as she was elected on the opening day of Parliament, Kamla called a date for local elections.

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby Dizzy28 » March 16th, 2023, 10:26 am

maj. tom wrote:hmm I wonder if it's by coincidence that.... *checks notes*
No it wasn't UNC in power from 2003 to 2010. I'm very sure there were protests and opinions, but you need to find the records in those years from the archived newspapers.


In 2010 as soon as she was elected on the opening day of Parliament, Kamla called a date for local elections.


At least in that time my road was paved twice (2007 and 2010)
Then it was paved again in 2012 for good measure.

Now we have to contend with making routes of least potholes!!!

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby Kickstart » March 16th, 2023, 11:47 am

eliteauto wrote:Are we still a rum and roti electorate? If yes then even a loss at the Privy Council works for the PNM. I was expecting a December poll last year, by doing this it gave the government time to mobilize the road paving exercise we're seeing all over the country now, river desilting, embankment building, , pavement construction etc that probably still mamguys the short memory party fanatics and some others, gives the contractors hope of some payment down the road, that trickles to their employees and I haven't been on the road certain hours of late but can anyone say if there have been more CEPEP gangs lately?

The PNM strategy book is older than me and they're still using it in 2023, it's left to be seen how successful it is
And you support PNM in doing a wrong?

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby maj. tom » March 16th, 2023, 1:17 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
maj. tom wrote:hmm I wonder if it's by coincidence that.... *checks notes*
No it wasn't UNC in power from 2003 to 2010. I'm very sure there were protests and opinions, but you need to find the records in those years from the archived newspapers.


In 2010 as soon as she was elected on the opening day of Parliament, Kamla called a date for local elections.


At least in that time my road was paved twice (2007 and 2010)
Then it was paved again in 2012 for good measure.

Now we have to contend with making routes of least potholes!!!


2007 - GE time under PNM
2010 - GE time under PNM
2012 - Local government voted in 2010 actually just doing their work? You're in Tunapuna-Piarco Region right? Who won that division in 2010?

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby Dizzy28 » March 16th, 2023, 1:53 pm

maj. tom wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
maj. tom wrote:hmm I wonder if it's by coincidence that.... *checks notes*
No it wasn't UNC in power from 2003 to 2010. I'm very sure there were protests and opinions, but you need to find the records in those years from the archived newspapers.


In 2010 as soon as she was elected on the opening day of Parliament, Kamla called a date for local elections.


At least in that time my road was paved twice (2007 and 2010)
Then it was paved again in 2012 for good measure.

Now we have to contend with making routes of least potholes!!!


2007 - GE time under PNM
2010 - GE time under PNM
2012 - Local government voted in 2010 actually just doing their work? You're in Tunapuna-Piarco Region right? Who won that division in 2010?


PP won the TPRC in 2010 and decisively lost it in 2013 going from 11 seats to 2.

My local seat is Curepe/Pasea. One of the few seats guaranteed not to go to the PNM within the Corporation.

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby Dizzy28 » March 23rd, 2023, 1:33 pm

Two new seats for the next Locals. Any tuners affected?

WHEN next voters go to the polls for local government elections, there will be two new districts to vote in, along with a few name changes. In piloting the motion to approve the draft of the Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC) (Local Government and Tobago House of Assembly) Order, 2021, on Wednesday, Minister of Local Government Kazim Hosein told Parliament about 22 changes.

“The changes recommended by the EBC in the tenth report involve adjusting two boundaries in the electoral districts of Chaguanas, Point Fortin, Couva/Tabaquite/Talparo, Penal/Debe, Siparia and Mayaro/ Rio Claro.

"It also involves the addition of two electoral districts in the electoral districts of Couva/Tabaquite/Talparo and Mayaro/Rio Claro.”

In the Couva/Tabaquite/Talparo corporation, the new district will be Couva West/Roystonia, and in the Mayaro/Rio Claro Corporation, the new electoral district will be Mayaro North. The increased in the number of districts came as the Couva/Tabaquite/Talparo electorate grew from 147,438 according to the EBC's ninth report, to 152,032 in the tenth report. Under the EBC’s rules, Hosein said, the growth in the electorate allowed for an increase of one district. The same was done for Mayaro/Rio Claro district, which went from 29,511 to 30,141.https://newsday.co.tt/2023/03/23/ebc-cr ... ent-polls/

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby The_Honourable » May 18th, 2023, 10:06 am

Privy Council rules one-year extension for local government representatives unlawful

The Government's move to extend the term of local government representatives by a year has been deemed unlawful.

Delivering a ruling at the United Kingdom Supreme Court Building in London, England, a short while ago, the Privy Council upheld an appeal over the dismissal of a lawsuit challenging the move brought by political activist Ravi Balgobin Maharaj.

In a majority decision, three law lords led by UK Supreme Court President Lord Robert Reed ruled that High Court Judge Jacqueline Wilson and the Court of Appeal got it wrong when they dismissed Maharaj's case.

Two law lords agreed with the local courts and provided a dissenting judgment.

The outcome means that local government elections now have to be called.

Those in the majority ruled that change in terms of representatives as contained in the Miscellaneous Provisions (Local Government Reform) Act, which was passed by Parliament without the support of the Opposition, last year, could not apply to representatives elected in 2019.

They said that the Parliament should have used clear and unambiguous language to indicate so but it did not.

Lord Richards, who wrote the majority judgment, said: "If Parliament had intended to give the Government such a power, it is reasonable to expect that it would have done so expressly."

"The legislation does not do so, nor does it appear that any consideration was given to this possibility in any of the steps which led to the changes made in local government by the 2022 Act," he added.

He and his two colleagues also rejected the Government's suggestion that the change was a minor one.

"The continuation in office of elected representatives for a year, an increase of one-third in their term, without reference to the electorate does not seem to the Board to be modest," he said.

In his lawsuit, Maharaj claimed that he became concerned after Rural Development and Local Government Minister Faris Al-Rawi hosted a press conference and announced the Government's intention to proclaim certain sections of the legislation.

The sections of the legislation identified by Al-Rawi sought to increase the terms of councillors from three years to four years.

It effectively caused the deferral of the election, which would be due between December, last year, and March, this year, had the amendment not been proclaimed.

Maharaj contended that Al-Rawi misinterpreted the effect of the legislation when he announced plans to apply it to incumbent councillors and aldermen as he claimed that it did not have a retroactive effect.

Maharaj's case was dismissed by Justice Jacqueline Wilson last year before his appeal was rejected by the Court of Appeal in February.

Presenting submissions before the Privy Council in March, his lawyer Anand Ramlogan, SC, of Freedom Law Chambers, stated that Parliament should have clearly stated whether the amendment applied to local government representatives that were elected in late 2019.

"There must be a clear and unambiguous provision...There are no words in the amendment expressly permitting the extension," he said.

He also pointed out that councillors, who did not anticipate the extension and who did not wish to continue to serve, could be fined $4,000 if they suddenly resign.

He also suggested that the extension affected citizens' right to vote as they (citizens) elected their representatives for a three-year period in the last election.

"When you vote in an election you elect someone for a fixed term," Ramlogan said.

King's Counsel Peter Carter, who appeared alongside Ramlogan for Maharaj, contended that local government elections are equally important as general elections for MPs, which take place every five years.

"Parliament cannot do that on a whim," Cater said.

Responding to the submissions, Thomas Roe, KC, who led the legal team for the Cabinet and Al-Rawi, suggested that actions taken by the government were permitted under the amendment.

"There was no challenge to Parliament's right to make the change or the Cabinet's power to partially proclaim it. The difficulty is to whom it applies," Roe said.

He pointed out that there was no common law or constitutional right for citizens to vote in a local government election every three years as such was based on the legislation that was amended by Parliament.

"What Parliament confers, it can take away," Roe said.

The Government was also represented by Senior Counsel Rishi Dass.

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby Dizzy28 » May 18th, 2023, 10:28 am

^ The beat up my the mites is glorious!!!

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby eliteauto » May 18th, 2023, 1:57 pm

eliteauto wrote:Are we still a rum and roti electorate? If yes then even a loss at the Privy Council works for the PNM. I was expecting a December poll last year, by doing this it gave the government time to mobilize the road paving exercise we're seeing all over the country now, river desilting, embankment building, , pavement construction etc that probably still mamguys the short memory party fanatics and some others, gives the contractors hope of some payment down the road, that trickles to their employees and I haven't been on the road certain hours of late but can anyone say if there have been more CEPEP gangs lately?
The PNM strategy book is older than me and they're still using it in 2023, it's left to be seen how successful it is


The Opposition get a much needed win, although politically it's probably meaningless but they need to grab anything they can.
Election will be when now? Maybe July? Enough patchwork paving, pavement building, and river desilting has already been done, of course, the Gov't probably did not anticipate the UNC rain that fell a month ago causing some flooding in POS but Westmoorings getting a roundabout and overpass to calm dem. Could always tell the (yellow-looking) contractors that they will get paid after the election to make dey bumsee clap a little about the results.
As I said above "The PNM strategy book is older than me and they're still using it in 2023, it's left to be seen how successful it is"

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby Kickstart » May 18th, 2023, 2:20 pm

UNC law Lords and a PNM win

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby sMASH » May 18th, 2023, 2:58 pm

Makes sense
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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby The_Honourable » May 18th, 2023, 3:33 pm

Attorney General Reginald Armour Hosts Media Conference - Thursday May 18th 2023


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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby pugboy » May 18th, 2023, 4:01 pm

so, the judgement was not unanimous
why he have to harp on what the losing minority judges had to say ?
trying to make excuses for a lorse based on what them said is pointless

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby bluefete » May 18th, 2023, 4:14 pm

pugboy wrote:so, the judgement was not unanimous
why he have to harp on what the losing minority judges had to say ?
trying to make excuses for a lorse based on what them said is pointless


Exactly! One set of coulda, woulda, shudda.

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby The_Honourable » May 18th, 2023, 4:18 pm

So wait...

To support the government argument, the man add in the 3 judges from the appeal court to the 2 judges from privy council who had dissenting views from the majority view of the said council notwithstanding the majority in the privy council overrule both the dissenting judges and the appeal court as a whole.

The legal gymnastics this ag on...

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby Dizzy28 » May 18th, 2023, 4:19 pm

bluefete wrote:
pugboy wrote:so, the judgement was not unanimous
why he have to harp on what the losing minority judges had to say ?
trying to make excuses for a lorse based on what them said is pointless


Exactly! One set of coulda, woulda, shudda.


You really doesn't miss the water till the well run dry.
Armorer continues to show Feris wasn't as bad as he was made out to be.

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby pugboy » May 18th, 2023, 4:26 pm

the 5 or whatever judges make up a democratic judgement count for the final judgement

if he doesn’t want to accept that, wonder if that still paints the govt as democratic

bluefete wrote:
pugboy wrote:so, the judgement was not unanimous
why he have to harp on what the losing minority judges had to say ?
trying to make excuses for a lorse based on what them said is pointless


Exactly! One set of coulda, woulda, shudda.

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby paid_influencer » May 18th, 2023, 6:05 pm

privy council decision was 3-2 so it coulda go either way tbh. like a coin flip who was right, but that coin flip cost citizens several millions of dollars when we already in deep debt we children goh be paying for that coin flip but ravi was right and that is what counts really

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby sMASH » May 19th, 2023, 7:25 pm

pugboy wrote:the 5 or whatever judges make up a democratic judgement count for the final judgement

if he doesn’t want to accept that, wonder if that still paints the govt as democratic


^^ this.

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... Their interpretation if what is 'just'

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby The_Honourable » May 20th, 2023, 10:09 am

On the heels of Thursday's Privy Council ruling, some political parties are in an advanced stage of readiness for whenever Local Government Elections are called, but others are yet to decide how and even if they will be contesting.

Akash Samaroo reports...


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Postby toyolink » May 20th, 2023, 11:42 am

Where we are today is really sad for many of our good citizens and in particular or older folks who 'toiled in the vineyards' in the hope that T&T would be a real jewel.
The utterances and missteps of our leaders is truly indicative of our existence on what is fast becoming a rudderless vessel.
Attacks on our democratic and constitutional rights seem fair game for political expedience and the trends in this regard seem to be inline with a new world order.
At the end of the day Courts my be requested to adjudicate on many matters affecting the rights of citizens, but at times like these history has shown that it will be up to the 'masses' to create the impetus for realignment and there will be costs to bear.

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby Dizzy28 » May 20th, 2023, 12:47 pm

Trinidad is paradise spoilt only by dUNCes. If not for them here would be like Singapore, South Korea, Dubai or Wakanda.

But they too wicked, corrupt, lawless and does fight dong everything. We was lucky to get the two doctors to run this place because they knew everything to have us on course for being first world.
toyolink wrote:Where we are today is really sad for many of our good citizens and in particular or older folks who 'toiled in the vineyards' in the hope that T&T would be a real jewel.
The utterances and missteps of our leaders is truly indicative of our existence on what is fast becoming a rudderless vessel.
Attacks on our democratic and constitutional rights seem fair game for political expedience and the trends in this regard seem to be inline with a new world order.
At the end of the day Courts my be requested to adjudicate on many matters affecting the rights of citizens, but at times like these history has shown that it will be up to the 'masses' to create the impetus for realignment and there will be costs to bear.

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Postby 16 cycles » May 20th, 2023, 1:26 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
maj. tom wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
maj. tom wrote:hmm I wonder if it's by coincidence that.... *checks notes*
No it wasn't UNC in power from 2003 to 2010. I'm very sure there were protests and opinions, but you need to find the records in those years from the archived newspapers.


In 2010 as soon as she was elected on the opening day of Parliament, Kamla called a date for local elections.


At least in that time my road was paved twice (2007 and 2010)
Then it was paved again in 2012 for good measure.

Now we have to contend with making routes of least potholes!!!


2007 - GE time under PNM
2010 - GE time under PNM
2012 - Local government voted in 2010 actually just doing their work? You're in Tunapuna-Piarco Region right? Who won that division in 2010?


PP won the TPRC in 2010 and decisively lost it in 2013 going from 11 seats to 2.

My local seat is Curepe/Pasea. One of the few seats guaranteed not to go to the PNM within the Corporation.


Within 24hrs of paving pasea rd connecting highway to mainroad, leaks appearing...so WASA gonna dig it up :(

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby wing » May 20th, 2023, 1:44 pm

"Trinidad is paradise spoilt only by dUNCes. If not for them here would be like Singapore, South Korea, Dubai or Wakanda."


Don't forget Indesh, the mystical land south of Caroni bridge.

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby Dizzy28 » May 20th, 2023, 2:06 pm

It's worse. The leaks happened after milling and the contractor paved on the already leaking road.

A serious case of not my responsibility
16 cycles wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
maj. tom wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
maj. tom wrote:hmm I wonder if it's by coincidence that.... *checks notes*
No it wasn't UNC in power from 2003 to 2010. I'm very sure there were protests and opinions, but you need to find the records in those years from the archived newspapers.


In 2010 as soon as she was elected on the opening day of Parliament, Kamla called a date for local elections.


At least in that time my road was paved twice (2007 and 2010)
Then it was paved again in 2012 for good measure.

Now we have to contend with making routes of least potholes!!!


2007 - GE time under PNM
2010 - GE time under PNM
2012 - Local government voted in 2010 actually just doing their work? You're in Tunapuna-Piarco Region right? Who won that division in 2010?


PP won the TPRC in 2010 and decisively lost it in 2013 going from 11 seats to 2.

My local seat is Curepe/Pasea. One of the few seats guaranteed not to go to the PNM within the Corporation.


Within 24hrs of paving pasea rd connecting highway to mainroad, leaks appearing...so WASA gonna dig it up :(

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby 16 cycles » May 20th, 2023, 2:07 pm

Thaz madness if they run pavement on a leaking substructure

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby eliteauto » May 20th, 2023, 3:35 pm

16 cycles wrote:Thaz contracts if they run pavement on a leaking substructure


Fixed it for you

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby paid_influencer » May 20th, 2023, 4:16 pm

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doh tote, just vote

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby eliteauto » May 20th, 2023, 4:35 pm

UNC said the same thing in 2015 and then was caught with their pants down when the date was announced

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Re: Local Government Elections Postponed until December 2023

Postby Dizzy28 » May 21st, 2023, 11:04 am

WASA on the scenes this morning creating new and possibly long term potholes on the recently paved Pasea Main Road.
Dizzy28 wrote:It's worse. The leaks happened after milling and the contractor paved on the already leaking road.

A serious case of not my responsibility
16 cycles wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
maj. tom wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
maj. tom wrote:hmm I wonder if it's by coincidence that.... *checks notes*
No it wasn't UNC in power from 2003 to 2010. I'm very sure there were protests and opinions, but you need to find the records in those years from the archived newspapers.


In 2010 as soon as she was elected on the opening day of Parliament, Kamla called a date for local elections.


At least in that time my road was paved twice (2007 and 2010)
Then it was paved again in 2012 for good measure.

Now we have to contend with making routes of least potholes!!!


2007 - GE time under PNM
2010 - GE time under PNM
2012 - Local government voted in 2010 actually just doing their work? You're in Tunapuna-Piarco Region right? Who won that division in 2010?


PP won the TPRC in 2010 and decisively lost it in 2013 going from 11 seats to 2.

My local seat is Curepe/Pasea. One of the few seats guaranteed not to go to the PNM within the Corporation.


Within 24hrs of paving pasea rd connecting highway to mainroad, leaks appearing...so WASA gonna dig it up :(

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