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OPPOSITION DOUBLES DOWN ON THEIR CALL FOR MIGRANT CHILDREN TO BE INTEGRATED INTO SCHOOLS
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OPPOSITION DOUBLES DOWN ON THEIR CALL FOR MIGRANT CHILDREN TO BE INTEGRATED INTO SCHOOLS
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paid_influencer wrote:we discussed that and at this point who want to listen will hear
the costs of NOT educating these youth will be higher in the long run. we talking about teaching them ABC, 123 and how to be a good member of the society. if you rather they be illiterate, grow up on the street, and be cared for by gang leaders, that is your choice but the rest of us don't want to live in a country like that. the same thing happened when the PNM brought immigrants from the islands and denied them educations -- look where we reach now and you want the same thing to happen again.
88sins wrote:Again, the questions remain.
Who paying for it?
paid_influencer wrote:we discussed that and at this point who want to listen will hear
the costs of [b]NOT educating these youth will be higher in the long run.[/b] we talking about teaching them ABC, 123 and how to be a good member of the society. if you rather they be illiterate, grow up on the street, and be cared for by gang leaders, that is your choice but the rest of us don't want to live in a country like that. the same thing happened when the PNM brought immigrants from the islands and denied them educations -- look where we reach now and you want the same thing to happen again.
88sins wrote:Ok max, here's what.
The wife tell me recently, I should still try to educate the ignorant like I used to before I get fed up and say let them remain mindless twits. So with that, today i will attempt to get you to open your mind and MAYBE learn something.
But first, we need to establish a baseline of what's your intellectual capacity and possible degre of intelligence. So with that said, answer the following question. Bear in mind, there's no wrong answer, but there's only one true answer.
You ready? Ok, here's the question.
What is the actual stupidest question a person could ever have?
Remember, there's no wrong answer.
De Dragon wrote:paid_influencer wrote:we discussed that and at this point who want to listen will hear
the costs of [b]NOT educating these youth will be higher in the long run.[/b] we talking about teaching them ABC, 123 and how to be a good member of the society. if you rather they be illiterate, grow up on the street, and be cared for by gang leaders, that is your choice but the rest of us don't want to live in a country like that. the same thing happened when the PNM brought immigrants from the islands and denied them educations -- look where we reach now and you want the same thing to happen again.
You seem to have a different sense of "costs" The "costs" of packing their illegal arses back to Venezuela seems miniscule compared to educating them and their freeloading selves
A person cannot be illegal. While certain actions may be criminal, or illegal, people cannot be illegal. Although, in the US, it is a federal crime to enter the country without inspection, it is not a crime to be present within the country without authorization.[2] Thus, a person living in the US without status, or without a valid visa, is not committing a crime.
Referring to other people as illegal is grammatically incorrect. Otto Santa Ana, a linguist and professor in UCLA’s Department of Chicana/o Studies explains “’[w]e don’t call pedestrians who cross in the middle of the street illegal pedestrians’… ‘A kid who skips school to go to Disneyland is not an illegal student. And yet that’s a sort of parallel.’”[3] There are many linguists who argue against using the phrase “illegal immigrant” because it is neither “‘accurate nor neutral’” and other people who break laws are not referred to as “illegal.”[4] Such language is dehumanizing and used to make it easier to justify harmful and dangerous policies against a group of people. The phrase “illegal immigrant” was not popularly used until World War II when it was used to describe Jewish refugees who fled to Palestine without authorization.[5] Elie Wiesel, a Nobel Peace Prize winner and Holocaust survivor, once said, “know that no human being is illegal. That is a contradiction in terms. Human beings can be beautiful or more beautiful, they can be fat or skinny, they can be right or wrong, but illegal? How can a human being be illegal?”[6]
Although a migrant may have committed a crime in entering the US without inspection or authorization, “illegal alien” is not the proper way to describe them because “illegal alien” was not a legal term until it was used by the Court in Arizona v. United States.[7] In the Immigration and Nationality Act, an “alien” is someone who is neither a citizen nor a national of the United States.[8] The phrase “illegal alien” is not terminology used in the Act. In 2018, only months ago, the Justice Department instructed US attorney offices to refer to undocumented immigrants as “illegal aliens.”[9] The phrase has been popularized in the US to describe both documented and undocumented immigrants due to a misconception that undocumented immigrants, by virtue of existing, violate criminal law. Again, being present in the United States without a valid visa is not a violation of criminal law. Immigration attorney Shahid Haque-Hausrath writes:
the term [illegal alien] is imprecise and is used to encompass individuals who are in the United States under vastly different circumstances. Some individuals are brought here against their will, such as victims of human trafficking. Others come here on valid visas but subsequently fall out of status. For instance, many victims of domestic violence have legal status that depends on the continued sponsorship of their abuser. Some individuals are here under ‘temporary protected status’ because of strife in their home country, but fall out of status when our government removes their protected status. To blanket all immigrants who are out of status as being ‘illegals’ is overly simplistic.[10]
Furthermore, Haque-Hausrath explains, the phrase “illegal alien” is used to “dehumanize immigrants and divorce [us] from thinking of them as human beings. For some reason, this may serve as a defense mechanism to avoid feeling sympathy for undocumented immigrants, many of whom are separated from their children or loved ones when they are deported.”[11] Additionally, a person does not need to demand sympathy in order to be recognized as a human being and to be allowed to exist.
paid_influencer wrote:De Dragon wrote:paid_influencer wrote:we discussed that and at this point who want to listen will hear
the costs of [b]NOT educating these youth will be higher in the long run.[/b] we talking about teaching them ABC, 123 and how to be a good member of the society. if you rather they be illiterate, grow up on the street, and be cared for by gang leaders, that is your choice but the rest of us don't want to live in a country like that. the same thing happened when the PNM brought immigrants from the islands and denied them educations -- look where we reach now and you want the same thing to happen again.
You seem to have a different sense of "costs" The "costs" of packing their illegal arses back to Venezuela seems miniscule compared to educating them and their freeloading selves
I have always said we should control the border and deport persons in accordance with due process at our island's immigration department.
My point is that, as long as a child is physically in our jurisdiction, we have the duty to provide them an education at least up to primary school level, under the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.
Keep in mind there any many persons here who are also registered with the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) as bona fide refugees and we are obligated to them under the UN conventions that we are signatory.
88sins wrote:
As per your query regarding what I am prepared to do in the unlikely event that taxpayers resources be used to the benefit of your beloved tapeworms, I personally have a few very effective options that I can exercise that won't disclose here, options that will guarantee that not one rotten cent of my money will be used for that dotishness.
MaxPower wrote:88sins wrote:
As per your query regarding what I am prepared to do in the unlikely event that taxpayers resources be used to the benefit of your beloved tapeworms, I personally have a few very effective options that I can exercise that won't disclose here, options that will guarantee that not one rotten cent of my money will be used for that dotishness.
8,
A fair answer.
Now you see how easy it is to answer a question minus the rant?
But take my advice old sport, stay out of trouble and don’t waste time and energy on things you cannot change. Son, in life there are things you just have to learn to live with and accept.
88sins wrote:
True, such as your preference that you remain illiterate, ignorant and uneducated.
However, when it comes to certain things in life, things such as poor choices and stupid proposals being made by government officials that will negatively impact the masses and their future generations, to say "you can't change it an just accept it" is NOT an option.
If you truly believe that people should "just accept it", that can be applied to venes as well, and they should go back to Venezuela and "just accept" what happening there.
MaxPower wrote:88sins wrote:
True, such as your preference that you remain illiterate, ignorant and uneducated.
However, when it comes to certain things in life, things such as poor choices and stupid proposals being made by government officials that will negatively impact the masses and their future generations, to say "you can't change it an just accept it" is NOT an option.
If you truly believe that people should "just accept it", that can be applied to venes as well, and they should go back to Venezuela and "just accept" what happening there.
8,
Your assumption of me being illiterate, ignorant and uneducated is irrelevant and does not change the situation at hand. The Venezuelans are here and they will settle just as the other immigrants did whether you like it or not. You constantly whining is not going to change anything and it’s a waste of energy. I really hope this is all ole talk to you and you do not promote domestic violence as our dear friend, De Dragon.
And, will all due respect, the vast majority of the population is doing exactly what you said which is to “just accept it”. Further more, you don’t have the right to decide if they should go back to Venezuela and “just accept it”. Use your head…they did not “accept it” in Venezuela because of the economic crisis so they came to us for assistance.
You see 88, right now you need numbers. Your own countrymen won’t even stand with you to support your xenophobia. The measly handful of you are too low of a voice and frankly no one really cares. Look around 88. You are only yapping here as life goes on in T&T. Everything i say on this thread is what is happening. You may not agree, but that’s just how it is.
The choice is yours my good man…learn to live or be miserable until you get some comfort which is not guaranteed.
88sins wrote:So what's the issue you have with these venes being deported back from whence they came to "just accept" what their government does?
In any event, as said previously, it easier, cheaper, faster and more beneficial to T&T to simply float them back to their shi+h0le.
As regards the UNC band of drunkards and thieves, can say whatever they want, but that doesn't mean that it's going to happen.
MaxPower wrote:88sins wrote:So what's the issue you have with these venes being deported back from whence they came to "just accept" what their government does?
In any event, as said previously, it easier, cheaper, faster and more beneficial to T&T to simply float them back to their shi+h0le.
As regards the UNC band of drunkards and thieves, can say whatever they want, but that doesn't mean that it's going to happen.
8,
deported “back”??
“from” whence??
Ok, so homework. When you get some time and I highly suggest asap, to be grammatically correct, research redundancy which appears to be the difficulty you’re having and while you’re at it, also tautology and oxymorons just for some additional knowledge.
Anyway 8, just pulling your leg a bit. So again, when it comes to an economic crisis, that is not something you can “just accept”. Totally different to Trini “just accepting” them because there is no crisis with their presence.
I can agree that it may be cheaper, faster and beneficial to deport them in some cases, but also beneficial to T&T for them to stay as well…again in some cases.
88sins wrote:
Poor mixed up Max
With every idiotic post that you make, you provide the world with more and more evidence that you possess the intelligence, logic and rational thought processes identical to that of a box of handle-less hammers?
88sins wrote:
As I said before, easier, cheaper and faster to deport them than to facilitate them, since we do not have the necessary resources to facilitate the enrollment of their children in the public education system and it will cost significant financial resources to do so. Additionally, as I said before, UNC can say anything, but can do nothing. So if you want to take their ravings as a proposal that can actually happen, have at it. I know that you will not like these facts, but you disliking them makes them no less true.
If you really believe that you truly want these migrants children to get an education in trinidad, here's my suggestion to you.
There's an organization in trinidad that gets several million USD annually from the UNHCR to provide assistance to these venes, and is very closely connected to several private schools in Port of Spain. Last year alone, one in particular received just over USD $9M to provide
them with aid. You and your beloved tapeworms should lobby them to spend some of the money they get to be put towards educating these children, instead of you dreaming about the taxpayers of this country being made to foot the bill to educate children that are not our responsibility.
Do that, and you will look less like an ass, and the venes will not become more of a burden to the already overburdened publiccoffers, and they will be able to educate their children.
But we know that just like your wetfoot vene brethren, you are far too lazy and stupid to even think about doing something like that.
Live that delusion you love, even though it's only going to ever happen in your head, yuh go feel it real and that should be enough to keep you happy.
88sins wrote:You need to have an income and actually pay taxes to be a taxpayer.
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