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Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby SuperiorMan » June 24th, 2022, 10:53 am

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court has ended constitutional protections for abortion that had been in place nearly 50 years in a decision by its conservative majority to overturn Roe v. Wade. Friday’s outcome is expected to lead to abortion bans in roughly half the states.

The decision, unthinkable just a few years ago, was the culmination of decades of efforts by abortion opponents, made possible by an emboldened right side of the court that has been fortified by three appointees of former President Donald Trump.

The ruling came more than a month after the stunning leak of a draft opinion by Justice Samuel Alito indicating the court was prepared to take this momentous step.

It puts the court at odds with a majority of Americans who favored preserving Roe, according to opinion polls.

Alito, in the final opinion issued Friday, wrote that Roe and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the 1992 decision that reaffirmed the right to abortion, were wrong the day they were decided and must be overturned.

“We therefore hold that the Constitution does not confer a right to abortion. Roe and Casey must be overruled, and the authority to regulate abortion must be returned to the people and their elected representatives,” Alito wrote.

Authority to regulate abortion rests with the political branches, not the courts, Alito wrote.

Joining Alito were Justices Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett. The latter three justices are Trump appointees. Thomas first voted to overrule Roe 30 years ago.

Chief Justice John Roberts would have stopped short of ending the abortion right, noting that he would have upheld the Mississippi law at the heart of the case, a ban on abortion after 15 weeks, and said no more.

Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan — the diminished liberal wing of the court — were in dissent.

“With sorrow—for this Court, but more, for the many millions of American women who have today lost a fundamental constitutional protection—we dissent,” they wrote.

The ruling is expected to disproportionately affect minority women who already face limited access to health care, according to statistics analyzed by The Associated Press.

Mississippi’s only abortion clinic, which is at the center of the case, continued to see patients Friday. Outside, men used a bullhorn to tell people inside the clinic that they would burn in hell. Clinic escorts wearing colorful vests used large stereo speakers to blast Tom Petty’s “I Won’t Back Down” at the protesters.

Mississippi is one 13 states, mainly in the South and Midwest, that already have laws on the books that ban abortion in the event Roe is overturned. Another half-dozen states have near-total bans or prohibitions after 6 weeks of pregnancy, before many women know they are pregnant.

In roughly a half-dozen other states, the fight will be over dormant abortion bans that were enacted before Roe was decided in 1973 or new proposals to sharply limit when abortions can be performed, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a research group that supports abortion rights.

More than 90% of abortions take place in the first 13 weeks of pregnancy, and more than half are now done with pills, not surgery, according to data compiled by Guttmacher.

The decision came against a backdrop of public opinion surveys that find a majority of Americans oppose overturning Roe and handing the question of whether to permit abortion entirely to the states. Polls conducted by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research and others also have consistently shown about 1 in 10 Americans want abortion to be illegal in all cases. A majority are in favor of abortion being legal in all or most circumstances, but polls indicate many also support restrictions especially later in pregnancy.

The Biden administration and other defenders of abortion rights have warned that a decision overturning Roe also would threaten other high court decisions in favor of gay rights and even potentially, contraception.

The liberal justices made the same point in their joint dissent: The majority “eliminates a 50-year-old constitutional right that safeguards women’s freedom and equal station. It breaches a core rule-of-law principle, designed to promote constancy in the law. In doing all of that, it places in jeopardy other rights, from contraception to same-sex intimacy and marriage. And finally, it undermines the Court’s legitimacy.”

But Alito contended that his analysis addresses abortion only. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion,” he wrote.

Whatever the intentions of the person who leaked Alito’s draft opinion, the conservatives held firm in overturning Roe and Casey.

In his draft, Alito dismissed the arguments in favor of retaining the two decisions, including that multiple generations of American women have partly relied on the right to abortion to gain economic and political power.

Changing the composition of the court has been central to the anti-abortion side’s strategy. Mississippi and its allies made increasingly aggressive arguments as the case developed, and two high-court defenders of abortion rights retired or died. The state initially argued that its law could be upheld without overruling the court’s abortion precedents.

Then-Gov. Phil Bryant signed the 15-week measure into law in March 2018, when Justices Anthony Kennedy and Ruth Bader Ginsburg were still members of a five-justice majority that was mainly protective of abortion rights.

By early summer, Kennedy had retired and was replaced by Justice Brett Kavanaugh a few months later. The Mississippi law was blocked in lower federal courts.

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Postby Dizzy28 » June 24th, 2022, 11:03 am

Things gonna be lit in the USA this weekend

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How will this affect the price of bodi?

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Postby dogg » June 24th, 2022, 11:27 am

And?
Flour gone down now?

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Postby The_Honourable » June 24th, 2022, 11:47 am

Mitch McConnell might be an SOB but he's a smart and tough SOB to swing the Supreme Court conservative over the last few years.

The beatup over the next few days going to be epic.

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Postby Les Bain » June 24th, 2022, 11:52 am

Further proof that being snarky on the internet cannot be considered taking action.

Say what you will about the Right and the conservatives, but they understand the concept of unification to achieve results.
Meanwhile the other side is as fractured as it can be, with people refusing to vote because a candidate isn't advocating some really silly niche idea.

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Postby wing » June 24th, 2022, 12:02 pm

Les Bain wrote:Further proof that being snarky on the internet cannot be considered taking action.

Say what you will about the Right and the conservatives, but they understand the concept of unification to achieve results.
Meanwhile the other side is as fractured as it can be, with people refusing to vote because a candidate isn't advocating some really silly niche idea.
Ironic that there's an interesting parallel in local politics with all the yappers and cyakers Vs the establishment that has strong foundation and knows exactly how to retain power over and over.

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Postby DMan7 » June 24th, 2022, 12:06 pm

So women can finally take accountability for being promiscuous?

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Postby maj. tom » June 24th, 2022, 12:12 pm

Isn't that what it was always really about? Punishing women for having sex?

Can't wait for USA to return to the witch trials of Salem when they can legally execute women for owning property. Much progress.

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Postby DMan7 » June 24th, 2022, 12:15 pm

Unless it's rape or sexual assault, these women know exactly what they are doing by having sex, it will obviously lead to the formation of a new life inside of them. If you don't want a situation which would require you to have to make the decision to take a life then don't commit the act by which to create such life. As usual people don't take accountability for nothing and is not just Trini's.

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Postby alfa » June 24th, 2022, 12:20 pm

DMan7 wrote:Unless it's rape or sexual assault, these women know exactly what they are doing by having sex, it will obviously lead to the formation of a new life inside of them. If you don't want a situation which would require you to have to make the decision to take a life then don't commit the act by which to create such life. As usual people don't take accountability for nothing and is not just Trini's.

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Postby goalpost » June 24th, 2022, 12:22 pm

Hope the fathers do their part too.

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Postby maj. tom » June 24th, 2022, 12:31 pm

Why you minding women business for and when and how they having sex? You investigating the trans movement for your future endeavors?

So we back to the abortion argument for fetuses that cannot exist as life outside a womb, but not after they're born and exist as real actual life. Again, sanctioned abortion is mentioned and instructed even in the Bible. But you never concerned after they're born, damn them right? The problem with hypocrites that they are too much contained within their own protective bubbles and very selfish lives where they only focus on themselves and can never understand the plight of another life. Only themselves, and "how does this affect ME?" Nothing else concerns them. Even the problems with another woman's vagina and body concerns how it affect themselves despite not even having the same organs or responsibilities in procreation! A next one in another thread so concerned about gay men that he want to stop everyone having anal sex, he will personally monitor this and how it affects him.

btw some states [MO] have already rushing to pass bills where rape and ectopic pregnancies INVALID reasons to have an abortion. Texas has already jailed a woman for having a miscarriage.

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Postby The_Honourable » June 24th, 2022, 12:34 pm

goalpost wrote:Hope the fathers do their part too.


Well now they can't convince the woman to go to the hitman office no more so they have to step up unless it's in another state that has abortion legal.

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Postby maj. tom » June 24th, 2022, 12:39 pm

goalpost wrote:Hope the fathers do their part too.


no no, if we follow the reasoning of some of the posters here, women went and got pregnant by themselves, and they alone should be responsible for the consequences. Women do not deserve to have sex unless it's for procreation! That's why women need punishing, and men will write the laws to do it! incelforumbois here cannot even!!!

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Postby DMan7 » June 24th, 2022, 12:56 pm

I see common sense and logic eludes ALOT of people in here. Yes sure it takes 2 to make a life, the mother and the father but a woman is the one who ALLOWS (again unless it's rape) the man to have access to her body by making the decision to have sex. She could easily have said NO and nothing would happen.

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Postby Les Bain » June 24th, 2022, 1:05 pm

DMan7 wrote:I see common sense and logic eludes ALOT of people in here. Yes sure it takes 2 to make a life, the mother and the father but a woman is the one who ALLOWS (again unless it's rape) the man to have access to her body by making the decision to have sex. She could easily have said NO and nothing would happen.


Logic alludes you too, seeing how many states don't care how the baby was conceived.

We should just stick to the narrative that women are stupid and deserve to be punished for their choices. Hopefully all the freedoms gained via the women's liberation movement are next to get erased.

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Postby SuperiorMan » June 24th, 2022, 1:12 pm

Guys if you read the official document here

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/2 ... 2_6j37.pdf

Thomas wants overturn Griswold, Lawrence and Obergfell on pages 118-119

Griswold: birth control without a prescription/outside of marriage

Lawrence: being LGBT without being a criminal for it

Obergfell: Gay marriage

Interesting times eh.

Got this from Reddit.

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Postby Les Bain » June 24th, 2022, 1:23 pm

*Uncomfortably laughs in Margaret Atwood*

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Postby alfa » June 24th, 2022, 1:27 pm

maj. tom wrote:
goalpost wrote:Hope the fathers do their part too.


no no, if we follow the reasoning of some of the posters here, women went and got pregnant by themselves, and they alone should be responsible for the consequences. Women do not deserve to have sex unless it's for procreation! That's why women need punishing, and men will write the laws to do it! incelforumbois here cannot even!!!

It is what it is, don't allow these people to live rent free in your head

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Postby Dizzy28 » June 24th, 2022, 1:28 pm

SuperiorMan wrote:Guys if you read the official document here

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/2 ... 2_6j37.pdf

Thomas wants overturn Griswold, Lawrence and Obergfell on pages 118-119

Griswold: birth control without a prescription/outside of marriage

Lawrence: being LGBT without being a criminal for it

Obergfell: Gay marriage

Interesting times eh.

Got this from Reddit.


Thomas gave himself one heck of a birthday gift!!
He was 74 yesterday.

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Postby wingnut » June 24th, 2022, 1:32 pm

DMan7 wrote:So women can finally take accountability for being promiscuous?
Rofl never... abortion was just a modern day failsafe against promiscuity

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Postby goalpost » June 24th, 2022, 1:37 pm

DMan7 wrote:I see common sense and logic eludes ALOT of people in here. Yes sure it takes 2 to make a life, the mother and the father but a woman is the one who ALLOWS (again unless it's rape) the man to have access to her body by making the decision to have sex. She could easily have said NO and nothing would happen.


Lol wtf is this sheit.

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Postby redmanjp » June 24th, 2022, 3:28 pm

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/california-diocese-warns-of-pro-abortion-night-of-rage-violence-following-roe-reversal/?utm_source=popular

Be on guard: the pro-abortion violence is scheduled to begin at 8pm tonight


RIPON, California (LifeSiteNews) – The diocese of Stockton has put out an “urgent memo” warning that pro-abortion activists have threatened violence at 8pm tonight, the night of the ruling striking down Roe v Wade.

The memo notes that the diocese spoke to an agent at the the Department of Homeland Security who informed them that nationwide intelligence reports warned of “extreme violence against Catholic churches and pregnancy centers” beginning at 8pm on the night of the Supreme Court decision in the Dobbs case striking down Roe v Wade.

The DHS agent noted that “large groups with cells nationwide have already been discovered ‘casing’ parishes.” The diocese issued a “critical notice” to all clergy, parishes and staff to develop a plan for security.

Jane’s Revenge, the terrorist group which has claimed responsibility for firebombing and defacing dozens of churches and pregnancy centers in recent weeks, issued this call for a “night of rage” beginning at 8pm tonight. The message, first put out May 30th read: “We need to get angry. We need the state to feel our full wrath. We need to express this madness fully and with ferocity. We need to quit containing ourselves. We need them to be afraid of us.”

The pro-abortion extremist group’s specific direction on timing was also detailed:

On the night the final ruling is issued——a specific date we cannot yet predict, but we know is arriving imminently——we are asking for courageous hearts to come out after dark.

Whoever you are and wherever you are, we are asking for you to do what you can to make your anger known.

We have selected a time of 8pm for actions nationwide to begin, but know that this is a general guideline. There may be other considerations involved in planning time and place. We do not claim to speak for every community or crew. We are simply calling out to you. And we hope you answer our cries.

A June 14th message from the same group gleefully claimed responsibility for the attacks on churches and pregnancy centers in many locations, saying, “We have demonstrated in the past month how easy and fun it is to attack.” The group also warned that the firebombing and graffiti was not enough. “We promised to take increasingly drastic measures against oppressive infrastructures. Rest assured that we will, and those measures may not come in the form of something so easily cleaned up as fire and graffiti,” read another communique from the group.

LifeSite’s Faith & Reason show yesterday discussed concrete steps churches and pregnancy centers should take to protect their members and property from pro-abortion violence.

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Postby The_Honourable » June 24th, 2022, 3:48 pm

No problem with protesting but you see when you start to get violent and burning sheet down because a court decision didn't go your way, police need to get tough and use extreme measures when needed.

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Postby dogg » June 24th, 2022, 3:50 pm

murican things.

Meaningless, pointless to tnt.

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Postby pugboy » June 24th, 2022, 4:39 pm

yes, but it also shows that even in big bad amurica, ppl can change things if they go about it certain ways legally and not be bound and gagged like us here whilst the govt poops on us.

dogg wrote:murican things.

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Postby Dizzy28 » June 24th, 2022, 4:55 pm

dogg wrote:murican things.

Meaningless, pointless to tnt.


Why not just stay out of threads you not interested in?

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Postby toyolink » June 24th, 2022, 5:22 pm

I hope that the impact of such a significant shift in rights, laws and values is indicative of the popular sentiment of citizens of the USA and not just what comes from political engineering to achieve a result for purposes of satisfing partisan interests.
The days ahead may provide some answers.

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