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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby alfa » June 24th, 2022, 5:55 pm

maj. tom wrote:Image

Just out of curiosity in understanding how some people think, under what circumstances do you support abortion? Is it for rape and the like our just anyone anytime simply because they could? As an older conservative traditionalist I'm genuinely curious

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby maj. tom » June 24th, 2022, 6:04 pm

toyolink wrote:I hope that the impact of such a significant shift in rights, laws and values is indicative of the popular sentiment of citizens of the USA and not just what comes from political engineering to achieve a result for purposes of satisfing partisan interests.
The days ahead may provide some answers.


The Russian propaganda war started in 2016. Misinformation and planted sleeper cell politicians over many years. They successfully got a literal grifting clown who talked like a 4th grade bully, who committed some of the most foolish hypocrisies and actions into the highest office of the land. Then proceeded to destroy America's institutions "drain the swamp", shift the paradigm of values and rights of citizens into regression and reawake racism, division and and violence into America's daily life like in the 1960s. The decline of America became inevitable. More than 1 million Americans died from Covid mostly due to deliberate planted misinformation, far more than all the wars America ever participated in combined. America is seriously polarized on many issues that were supposedly settled in the past, and it's all due to misinformation and deliberate propaganda by Fox & Fiends. They literally had an attempted coup on the Capitol on 1/6 and tried to hang their own Vice President if you still didn't believe all that.

America is definitely on the decline from its peak. They're now using the highest court of the land to regress into removing individual citizen rights, and categorizing certain peoples as 2nd and 3rd class citizens who should not have certain rights that others do (sounds familiar in 1859?) just like the play before the 1st Civil War. Like any vast empire in history they collapse from within caused by themselves through division and inequality. Unfortunately humans only know how to settle things through war. This is just the beginning though. Sentiments of extreme polarization will keep escalating over 20 years maybe, but there is going to have a spark that sets it all off. A 2nd USA Republic Constitution will likely have to be made after a split and bloody conflict. I don't think a unified empire as vast as current USA can survive as a single country for too long, again just like all empires in history. It's time that they realize that the majority of their founding father writings were complete bullsheit and just not acceptable to the social changes of the 21st century.

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby maj. tom » June 24th, 2022, 6:11 pm

alfa wrote:Just out of curiosity in understanding how some people think, under what circumstances do you support abortion? Is it for rape and the like our just anyone anytime simply because they could? As an older conservative traditionalist I'm genuinely curious


I had this long, long discussion with you in another thread. Didn't you dust your hands and "won" that long ago? Why should I repeat everything here again for you to ignore and continue on your merry way knowing that you are right and deserve the right to control a woman's body and decisions, and the many other things that other people do that don't affect your life at all? My opinion ever mattered to you? Don't you have some more Ben Shapiro and Paul Joseph Watson videos to watch to reassure yourself of your righteous conservative thinking?

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby alfa » June 24th, 2022, 6:15 pm

maj. tom wrote:
alfa wrote:Just out of curiosity in understanding how some people think, under what circumstances do you support abortion? Is it for rape and the like our just anyone anytime simply because they could? As an older conservative traditionalist I'm genuinely curious


I had this long, long discussion with you in another thread. Didn't you dust your hands and "won" that long ago? Why should I repeat everything here again for you to ignore and continue on your merry way knowing that you are right and deserve the right to control a woman's body and decisions? My opinion ever mattered to you? Don't you have some more Ben Shapiro and Paul Joseph Watson videos to watch to reassure yourself of your righteous conservative thinking?

Was just curious again to see if you would support abortion for whose only excuse is my body so I could do whatever I want nah. Didn't believe we had radicals like you locally but tuner never ceases to amaze me

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby maj. tom » June 24th, 2022, 6:20 pm

You're still defending unborn fetuses that are not alive, over a woman's actual living life though, and never a whisper after these babies are born. Easier to call them cockroaches I guess. Never cease to amaze how selfish, unempathetic people like you exist locally and think that autonomy and rights of individuals is considered an extremist and radical idea.

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby teems1 » June 24th, 2022, 6:22 pm

Men have no say in this matter imo.

This argument is about women and women's bodies.

Let them figure this out.

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby adnj » June 24th, 2022, 6:22 pm

alfa wrote:
maj. tom wrote:Image

Just out of curiosity in understanding how some people think, under what circumstances do you support abortion? Is it for rape and the like our just anyone anytime simply because they could? As an older conservative traditionalist I'm genuinely curious


Your relatively peculiar turn of phrase aside, abortion has more than 3000 years of historical reference. Antiabortion laws have an ancient history, too. The purpose of antiabortion law was to be sure that valuable children, who were often forced upon unwilling women, were not lost to their fathers.

The relative factoid is that abortion, one of the world's oldest medical procedures, has never decreased where restrictive laws were passed. Abortions decreased only when women's wages or education level increased.

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby bluefete » June 24th, 2022, 7:30 pm

maj. tom wrote:You're still defending unborn fetuses that are not alive, over a woman's actual living life though, and never a whisper after these babies are born. Easier to call them cockroaches I guess. Never cease to amaze how selfish, unempathetic people like you exist locally and think that autonomy and rights of individuals is considered an extremist and radical idea.


Normally, I would agree with you on many things BUT you see that post above - Nah man maj.tom. I totally disagree with you.

You serious? What is the scientific proof /evidence that an unborn fetus is not alive?

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby maj. tom » June 24th, 2022, 7:54 pm

Some of you here live to just repeat yourselves. Like the other, in the other thread, this discussion has been completed. Reference it.

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby redmanjp » June 24th, 2022, 8:25 pm

even some pro-choice ppl agree Roe was a bad decision

https://www.newsweek.com/roe-was-wrong-day-it-was-decided-supreme-court-did-right-thing-opinion-1719085

...even scholars and lawyers who support legalized abortion as a policy matter have agreed that Roe was a bad decision. Writing in the Yale Law Journal in 1973, renowned law professor John Hart Ely, later dean of Stanford Law School, derided the decision as "bad because it is bad constitutional law, or rather because it is not constitutional law and gives almost no sense of an obligation to try to be." Laurence Tribe observed in the Harvard Law Review that "one of the most curious things about Roe is that, behind its own verbal smokescreen, the substantive judgment on which it rests is nowhere to be found."

Ed Lazarus, a former law clerk to Harry Blackmun—the Supreme Court Justice who authored Roe—and Obama-administration official, agreed: "as a matter of constitutional interpretation and judicial method, Roe borders on the indefensible." It's worth noting that Lazarus describes himself as "utterly committed to the right to choose." Even the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg called Roe "heavy-handed judicial intervention," and the prominent progressive law professor and Obama administration official Cass Sunstein believes Roe "way over-reached."

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby alfa » June 24th, 2022, 8:31 pm

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/calif ... ce=popular

With reference to the previously posted article I sure do hope they try to attack Texas. They say everything is bigger in Texas, including the bullets to I hope. If they have the cajones to attack then don't do like these BLM idiots and attack democratic states alone

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby Numb3r4 » June 24th, 2022, 9:21 pm

If Roe v. Wade is poor constitutional law does that pave the way for state to pass their own laws?

If allowing abortions is an "over reach" and heavy handed would the converse be true? That is wouldn't banning it be an over reach as well as it infringes on the right to choose, or would it allow for state and local authorities not under federal jurisdiction to pass laws allowing abortion based on locality?

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby Dizzy28 » June 24th, 2022, 9:42 pm

Roe v Wade wasn't a constitutional law. It was a landmark decision.
The constitution is composed of amendments like the ones we know - 2nd Amendment Right to bear Arms etc. They can make abortions a right in the constitution through an amendment.
Numb3r4 wrote:If Roe v. Wade is poor constitutional law does that pave the way for state to pass their own laws?

If allowing abortions is an "over reach" and heavy handed would the converse be true? That is wouldn't banning it be an over reach as well as it infringes on the right to choose, or would it allow for state and local authorities not under federal jurisdiction to pass laws allowing abortion based on locality?

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby Les Bain » June 24th, 2022, 9:52 pm

alfa wrote:https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/california-diocese-warns-of-pro-abortion-night-of-rage-violence-following-roe-reversal/?utm_source=popular



Jesus christ, a whackjob website.

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Dizzy28 wrote:Roe v Wade wasn't a constitutional law. It was a landmark decision.
The constitution is composed of amendments like the ones we know - 2nd Amendment Right to bear Arms etc. They can make abortions a right in the constitution through an amendment.
Numb3r4 wrote:If Roe v. Wade is poor constitutional law does that pave the way for state to pass their own laws?

If allowing abortions is an "over reach" and heavy handed would the converse be true? That is wouldn't banning it be an over reach as well as it infringes on the right to choose, or would it allow for state and local authorities not under federal jurisdiction to pass laws allowing abortion based on locality?


It seems that won't happen, making it a right that is, that being said can it be done at the state and local level and given the elections coming up will it?

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby Dizzy28 » June 24th, 2022, 10:21 pm

An amendment is not an easy route even in best of times. With the Rs controlling more state legislatures you're right it will be down to the individual states
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Dizzy28 wrote:Roe v Wade wasn't a constitutional law. It was a landmark decision.
The constitution is composed of amendments like the ones we know - 2nd Amendment Right to bear Arms etc. They can make abortions a right in the constitution through an amendment.
Numb3r4 wrote:If Roe v. Wade is poor constitutional law does that pave the way for state to pass their own laws?

If allowing abortions is an "over reach" and heavy handed would the converse be true? That is wouldn't banning it be an over reach as well as it infringes on the right to choose, or would it allow for state and local authorities not under federal jurisdiction to pass laws allowing abortion based on locality?


It seems that won't happen, making it a right that is, that being said can it be done at the state and local level and given the elections coming up will it?
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Postby De Dragon » June 24th, 2022, 10:21 pm

teems1 wrote:Men have no say in this matter imo.

This argument is about women and women's bodies.

Let them figure this out.

Actually 5 of them had the only say

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby adnj » June 25th, 2022, 2:28 am

Numb3r4 wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:Roe v Wade wasn't a constitutional law. It was a landmark decision.
The constitution is composed of amendments like the ones we know - 2nd Amendment Right to bear Arms etc. They can make abortions a right in the constitution through an amendment.
Numb3r4 wrote:If Roe v. Wade is poor constitutional law does that pave the way for state to pass their own laws?

If allowing abortions is an "over reach" and heavy handed would the converse be true? That is wouldn't banning it be an over reach as well as it infringes on the right to choose, or would it allow for state and local authorities not under federal jurisdiction to pass laws allowing abortion based on locality?


It seems that won't happen, making it a right that is, that being said can it be done at the state and local level and given the elections coming up will it?


There are already state laws and state constitutional protections for reproductive rights in about twenty US states. The US Federal government can also pass laws that supercede the state laws so long as state rights are not infringed upon.
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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby De Dragon » June 25th, 2022, 5:12 am

Dizzy28 wrote:Roe v Wade wasn't a constitutional law. It was a landmark decision.
The constitution is composed of amendments like the ones we know - 2nd Amendment Right to bear Arms etc. They can make abortions a right in the constitution through an amendment.
Numb3r4 wrote:If Roe v. Wade is poor constitutional law does that pave the way for state to pass their own laws?

If allowing abortions is an "over reach" and heavy handed would the converse be true? That is wouldn't banning it be an over reach as well as it infringes on the right to choose, or would it allow for state and local authorities not under federal jurisdiction to pass laws allowing abortion based on locality?

Actually, it was the constitutional protection of a right to an abortion.
This whole allowing the states to decide charade is bullcrap, as states such as Texas and Oklahoma have had trigger laws banning abortion, so essentially for years, there were laws on the books in these Bible and gun states just waiting for Roe v Wade to fall.

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby Dizzy28 » June 25th, 2022, 7:58 am

Where in the constitution was it enshrined?
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Dizzy28 wrote:Roe v Wade wasn't a constitutional law. It was a landmark decision.
The constitution is composed of amendments like the ones we know - 2nd Amendment Right to bear Arms etc. They can make abortions a right in the constitution through an amendment.
Numb3r4 wrote:If Roe v. Wade is poor constitutional law does that pave the way for state to pass their own laws?

If allowing abortions is an "over reach" and heavy handed would the converse be true? That is wouldn't banning it be an over reach as well as it infringes on the right to choose, or would it allow for state and local authorities not under federal jurisdiction to pass laws allowing abortion based on locality?

Actually, it was the constitutional protection of a right to an abortion.
This whole allowing the states to decide charade is bullcrap, as states such as Texas and Oklahoma have had trigger laws banning abortion, so essentially for years, there were laws on the books in these Bible and gun states just waiting for Roe v Wade to fall.

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Postby teems1 » June 25th, 2022, 8:20 am

Dizzy28 wrote:Where in the constitution was it enshrined?
De Dragon wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:Roe v Wade wasn't a constitutional law. It was a landmark decision.
The constitution is composed of amendments like the ones we know - 2nd Amendment Right to bear Arms etc. They can make abortions a right in the constitution through an amendment.
Numb3r4 wrote:If Roe v. Wade is poor constitutional law does that pave the way for state to pass their own laws?

If allowing abortions is an "over reach" and heavy handed would the converse be true? That is wouldn't banning it be an over reach as well as it infringes on the right to choose, or would it allow for state and local authorities not under federal jurisdiction to pass laws allowing abortion based on locality?

Actually, it was the constitutional protection of a right to an abortion.
This whole allowing the states to decide charade is bullcrap, as states such as Texas and Oklahoma have had trigger laws banning abortion, so essentially for years, there were laws on the books in these Bible and gun states just waiting for Roe v Wade to fall.
The constitution defines the civil rights of US citizens.

Cutizens have the right to privacy. Be it within their bedroom, with their doctor, with their preacher, and even simply anything concerning their body.

You cannot remove a civil right unless due process occurs as stated in the 14th amendment.

Constricting a woman from removing a foetus is in violation of the due process clause and thus was found unconstitutional back in the 70s.

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Postby matr1x » June 25th, 2022, 8:39 am

Oh no, they can't federally kill babies. The humanity!!!!

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Postby Dizzy28 » June 25th, 2022, 8:47 am

It would seem SCOTUS disagrees with you
teems1 wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:Where in the constitution was it enshrined?
De Dragon wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:Roe v Wade wasn't a constitutional law. It was a landmark decision.
The constitution is composed of amendments like the ones we know - 2nd Amendment Right to bear Arms etc. They can make abortions a right in the constitution through an amendment.
Numb3r4 wrote:If Roe v. Wade is poor constitutional law does that pave the way for state to pass their own laws?

If allowing abortions is an "over reach" and heavy handed would the converse be true? That is wouldn't banning it be an over reach as well as it infringes on the right to choose, or would it allow for state and local authorities not under federal jurisdiction to pass laws allowing abortion based on locality?

Actually, it was the constitutional protection of a right to an abortion.
This whole allowing the states to decide charade is bullcrap, as states such as Texas and Oklahoma have had trigger laws banning abortion, so essentially for years, there were laws on the books in these Bible and gun states just waiting for Roe v Wade to fall.
The constitution defines the civil rights of US citizens.

Cutizens have the right to privacy. Be it within their bedroom, with their doctor, with their preacher, and even simply anything concerning their body.

You cannot remove a civil right unless due process occurs as stated in the 14th amendment.

Constricting a woman from removing a foetus is in violation of the due process clause and thus was found unconstitutional back in the 70s.
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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby VexXx Dogg » June 25th, 2022, 8:59 am

Bible thumpers seem very happy on Facebook.
I guess little boys can't get pregnant, so they're unaffected.

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Postby matr1x » June 25th, 2022, 9:10 am

You know, if you don't want to have unwanted babies, just don't have sex. If you know you cannot support a child, don't have sex



Very simple.

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Postby dogg » June 25th, 2022, 9:56 am

Dizzy28 wrote:
dogg wrote:murican things.

Meaningless, pointless to tnt.


Why not just stay out of threads you not interested in?


You know abortion is illegal in TnT right?
Why you studying murican foolishnes.
If you so passionate about abortion, start at home before studying big bad murica

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Postby alfa » June 25th, 2022, 10:39 am

dogg wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
dogg wrote:murican things.

Meaningless, pointless to tnt.


Why not just stay out of threads you not interested in?


You know abortion is illegal in TnT right?
Why you studying murican foolishnes.
If you so passionate about abortion, start at home before studying big bad murica

That's the funny thing, it was always illegal in Trinidad but a bunch of SJWs on the socials beating up about Rowe and wade as if that affecting them but didn't realize what they're protesting was always law here :roll:
Then again how they go score woke points for their gender studies class coursework

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Postby adnj » June 25th, 2022, 10:58 am

alfa wrote:
dogg wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
dogg wrote:murican things.

Meaningless, pointless to tnt.


Why not just stay out of threads you not interested in?


You know abortion is illegal in TnT right?
Why you studying murican foolishnes.
If you so passionate about abortion, start at home before studying big bad murica

That's the funny thing, it was always illegal in Trinidad but a bunch of SJWs on the socials beating up about Rowe and wade as if that affecting them but didn't realize what they're protesting was always law here :roll:
Then again how they go score woke points for their gender studies class coursework
Abortion may be illegal in most of the Caribbean but it continues to be widespread and popular.

It is estimated that nearly 3 out of 4 pregnancy terminations are self-administered pharmaceutical abortions.

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In todays’ world and as in a growing list of countries internationally, because abortion cannot be obtained legally, women in T&T are buying misoprostol pills over the counter from pharmacies for self-use to induce a miscarriage.

The T&T Guardian Media investigated this by sending a woman to a local pharmacy where she was able to purchase misoprostol for US$35. The woman said she had no difficulty doing so without a prescription, but simply asked for it and was given instructions for how to use it.

Andrew Rahaman, President of the Pharmacy Board of T&T, admitted he was aware this was happening without a prescription but claimed it was rare. He also said he believed pharmacies dispense misoprostol off-label because it is not approved by the Chemistry, Food and Drug Division. Instead of calling for misoprostol to be approved and dispensed by health care providers, he said pharmacists could be charged with professional misconduct and negligence, be fined or even go to prison for one year for provision without a prescription under the Pharmacy Board Act, and that he would take stricter measures against such “irregularities”. Claims that self-use of misoprostol is dangerous were made several times in the article.

The Health Minister Terrence Deyalsingh was reported to say the issue was out of his jurisdiction, the same Health Minister who said in April 2016: “The Government’s position is firm that abortion will remain illegal in this country.”

https://www.safeabortionwomensright.org ... -abortion/

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Postby Dizzy28 » June 25th, 2022, 11:12 am

Have you seen me beat up about Abortion? I have commented on the laws and legality this far afaik and have not stated a preference of support or non-support.

You on the other hand like a whiny little bish come into threads just to ask about price of bodi, say why people studying that topic etc.

Once again you don't like a topic stay out or come in and contribute even if it's to troll.
dogg wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
dogg wrote:murican things.

Meaningless, pointless to tnt.


Why not just stay out of threads you not interested in?


You know abortion is illegal in TnT right?
Why you studying murican foolishnes.
If you so passionate about abortion, start at home before studying big bad murica

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Re: Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion in the US

Postby bluefete » June 25th, 2022, 12:06 pm

bluefete wrote:
maj. tom wrote:You're still defending unborn fetuses that are not alive, over a woman's actual living life though, and never a whisper after these babies are born. Easier to call them cockroaches I guess. Never cease to amaze how selfish, unempathetic people like you exist locally and think that autonomy and rights of individuals is considered an extremist and radical idea.


Normally, I would agree with you on many things BUT you see that post above - Nah man maj.tom. I totally disagree with you.

You serious? What is the scientific proof /evidence that an unborn fetus is not alive?



maj. tom wrote:Some of you here live to just repeat yourselves. Like the other, in the other thread, this discussion has been completed. Reference it.


Can you please provide link to other thread? Thank you.

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