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Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby Dohplaydat » May 24th, 2021, 6:03 pm

The whole world looking to party somewhere and no one going to brazil given all the negative press of the P1 strain.

We need to get back in it with a bang. This could be our opportunity to create the world's biggest party event, charge like crazy and create a whole set of new carnival addicts.

Providing we can vaccinate 60-70% by January 31st, 2021, I don't see any issue with having it. Covid deaths and hospitalizations will be down significantly.

Only the unvaccinated will be at risk and that would be their fault for being anti-vax.

If all 1.5M Sinopharm vaccines arrive by August/Sept this is possible.

and if vaccinations slow then just do this...

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby Penguin » May 24th, 2021, 6:22 pm

There is absolutely no reason Carnival 2022 should be canceled. This situation will soon be over soon and vaccines will be in over supply by end of the year.

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby daron » May 24th, 2021, 6:25 pm

well said
did you get your Sinopharm vaccine as yet?
Dohplaydat wrote:The whole world looking to party somewhere and no one going to brazil given all the negative press of the P1 strain.

We need to get back in it with a bang. This could be our opportunity to create the world's biggest party event, charge like crazy and create a whole set of new carnival addicts.

Providing we can vaccinate 60-70% by January 31st, 2021, I don't see any issue with having it. Covid deaths and hospitalizations will be down significantly.

Only the unvaccinated will be at risk and that would be their fault for being anti-vax.

If all 1.5M Sinopharm vaccines arrive by August/Sept this is possible.

and if vaccinations slow then just do this...

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby Dohplaydat » May 24th, 2021, 6:31 pm

daron wrote:well said
did you get your Sinopharm vaccine as yet?


Not yet, it's possible I might be eligible to get the AZ vaccine that was assigned to front-line Ministry workers, providing they have extra.

I not in a rush yet, I'll wait my turn.

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby MaxPower » May 24th, 2021, 6:34 pm

Carnival should be banned permanently.

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby CB Style » May 24th, 2021, 6:41 pm

MaxPower wrote:Carnival should be banned permanently.

Could not have said it better myself!!!!

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Postby aaron17 » May 24th, 2021, 6:54 pm

CB Style wrote:
MaxPower wrote:Carnival should be banned permanently.

Could not have said it better myself!!!!
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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby Dohplaydat » May 24th, 2021, 6:56 pm

aaron17 wrote:
CB Style wrote:
MaxPower wrote:Carnival should be banned permanently.

Could not have said it better myself!!!!
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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby eliteauto » May 24th, 2021, 7:28 pm

Carnival 2022 is not even a topic of discussion at the Ministry of Tourism atm. Don't get your hopes up

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby alfa » May 24th, 2021, 7:28 pm

MaxPower wrote:Carnival should be banned permanently.

I agree. Want to party throw a big fete or pay to go one. Don't disrupt an entire work week for this

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby nemisis » May 24th, 2021, 7:38 pm

For you its a disturbed week for me its a work week as usual or even busier
alfa wrote:
MaxPower wrote:Carnival should be banned permanently.

I agree. Want to party throw a big fete or pay to go one. Don't disrupt an entire work week for this

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby Dohplaydat » May 24th, 2021, 7:44 pm

Y'all forgetting there's an entire industry surrounding carnival. The economy needs carnival more than ever.

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby gastly369 » May 24th, 2021, 7:48 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:Y'all forgetting there's an entire industry surrounding carnival. The economy needs carnival more than ever.
I registering a funeral home business yes...

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby Redress10 » May 24th, 2021, 7:50 pm

Dunce post

Carnival 2022 we will still be in a pandemic. Vaccines are not cures so you also don't want thousands of ppl from all over the world congregating in your country.

Dafuq you even talking about with carnival. Carnival without thousands of foreigners may be one thing but who d fcuk want to be around thousands of foreigners after what we just went through for the last two years.

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Postby daring dragoon » May 24th, 2021, 7:52 pm

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rupee song comes to mind. who knew in 2019/2020.

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby Dohplaydat » May 24th, 2021, 7:54 pm

Redress10 wrote:Dunce post

Carnival 2022 we will still be in a pandemic. Vaccines are not cures so you also don't want thousands of ppl from all over the world congregating in your country.

Dafuq you even talking about with carnival. Carnival without thousands of foreigners may be one thing but who d fcuk want to be around thousands of foreigners after what we just went through for the last two years.


Yea everybody having their carnivals this year already, Miami, Toronto, London, Cropover.....for 2023 Mardi Gras, Brazil Carnival.....all are on.

We can't miss another carnival while the rest of the world and Caribbean has theirs.

With enough people vaccinated deaths and hospitalizations will be greatly reduced.

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Postby timelapse » May 24th, 2021, 8:02 pm

Fete til ah dead yes.Go strong

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby Redress10 » May 24th, 2021, 8:03 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:
Redress10 wrote:Dunce post

Carnival 2022 we will still be in a pandemic. Vaccines are not cures so you also don't want thousands of ppl from all over the world congregating in your country.

Dafuq you even talking about with carnival. Carnival without thousands of foreigners may be one thing but who d fcuk want to be around thousands of foreigners after what we just went through for the last two years.


Yea everybody having their carnivals this year already, Miami, Toronto, London, Cropover.....for 2023 Mardi Gras, Brazil Carnival.....all are on.

We can't miss another carnival while the rest of the world and Caribbean has theirs.

With enough people vaccinated deaths and hospitalizations will be greatly reduced.


Well then let us start with a small local based one instead of trying to attract thousands of ppl from all over the world.

Do you think that Carnival is a big thing in NY, London, Miami etc? No it is not. It is mainly a west indian thing. The west indian cultural footprint is tiny in those big cities so chances are those events will not jeorpadise the city and the wider country.

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby ProtonPowder » May 24th, 2021, 8:04 pm

Carnival would be dangerous without herd immunity

We need ~70% of the population to be fully vaccinated for herd immunity.

Let's say that is 1 million people at 2 million doses overall.

We are somewhere around 70k doses, 1200 people fully vaccinated and only 1000-1500 doses being given per day.

That is 1300 days at best of vaccinating people to achieve herd immunity. Have we been vaccinating on weekends and holidays? That is somewhere around 4-5 years of round the clock vaccinations at our piss poor rates.

You tell me, we getting herd immunity anytime soon?

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby Dohplaydat » May 24th, 2021, 8:22 pm

ProtonPowder wrote:Carnival would be dangerous without herd immunity
h
We need ~70% of the population to be fully vaccinated for herd immunity.

Let's say that is 1 million people at 2 million doses overall.

We are somewhere around 70k doses, 1200 people fully vaccinated and only 1000-1500 doses being given per day.

That is 1300 days at best of vaccinating people to achieve herd immunity. Have we been vaccinating on weekends and holidays? That is somewhere around 4-5 years of round the clock vaccinations at our piss poor rates.

You tell me, we getting herd immunity anytime soon?


Let's assume we get in batches 1.5M Sinopharm + the remaining Covax 300K across September to December.

That's 120 days.

At 3000 a day (technically it's up to 6000 a day, but it'll move in cycles of 3 weeks given first dose/2nd dose):

That's 360k persons, that's 36% of the population + 10% vaccinated by end of Aug so almost 50% by end of 2021.

In Jan we could do another 10-15%. If they open the borders there are thousands who will go to the US/Canada/UK and get vaccinated. So add another 5-10% there.

That should put us in a good position. If we increase our rate to more than 6000 a day we should be in a fairly good position at about 60-75% herd immunity by Carnival.

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby Dohplaydat » May 24th, 2021, 8:25 pm

Once our working-age (68%) + elderly (12%) population get vaccinated we'll be in a good position.
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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby MaxPower » May 24th, 2021, 8:57 pm

Carnival should be banned permanently.

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby BUG » May 24th, 2021, 9:12 pm

I like the optimism but even we get all the vaccines we need, there's no way we're getting to herd immunity with the number of anti-vaxxers in this country.

The problem with just saying "if the anti-vaxxers catch the virus it's their own problem, we're opening up anyway" is that not reaching herd immunity is a danger to already vaccinated people.

Why? Because the virus will circulate non stop through the anti-vaxxers and then through the youths under 18 and vaccine compromised who can't even get the vaccine if they want to, eventually mutating to be vaccine resistant and then we're back to square one.

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby adnj » May 24th, 2021, 9:20 pm

I'm just waiting for the spike that comes after Divali because of EU, UK and NA visitors traveling in November/December.

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby BUG » May 24th, 2021, 9:20 pm

I tell you what would encourage the anti-vaxxers to get the shot:

- Entry into a lottery with cash prizes
- That KFC + Gas or groceries you mentioned is good
Etc etc

I'm happy for my taxes to go to paying people to get the shot because ultimately I'm protecting myself against the possibility of a mutated virus finding a way passed my own personal vaccine defences.
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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby abducted » May 24th, 2021, 9:22 pm

We did not have Carnival 2021, was it devastating to the society and economy as a whole, or just to a few?

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby jhonnieblue » May 24th, 2021, 9:36 pm

Optimistic but not gonna happen anytime soon. At best bet by carnival we may be 30-40% vacinated if we are lucky.
Govt fully expects this and ministry of tourism is not engaging any stakeholders in any 2022 carnival discussion. The plan is for 2023.
Could be as optimistic as you want but that's the sad reality
(Fyi I'm more a carnival person than most and don't miss any fetes or mas)
Dohplaydat wrote:
ProtonPowder wrote:Carnival would be dangerous without herd immunity
h
We need ~70% of the population to be fully vaccinated for herd immunity.

Let's say that is 1 million people at 2 million doses overall.

We are somewhere around 70k doses, 1200 people fully vaccinated and only 1000-1500 doses being given per day.

That is 1300 days at best of vaccinating people to achieve herd immunity. Have we been vaccinating on weekends and holidays? That is somewhere around 4-5 years of round the clock vaccinations at our piss poor rates.

You tell me, we getting herd immunity anytime soon?


Let's assume we get in batches 1.5M Sinopharm + the remaining Covax 300K across September to December.

That's 120 days.

At 3000 a day (technically it's up to 6000 a day, but it'll move in cycles of 3 weeks given first dose/2nd dose):

That's 360k persons, that's 36% of the population + 10% vaccinated by end of Aug so almost 50% by end of 2021.

In Jan we could do another 10-15%. If they open the borders there are thousands who will go to the US/Canada/UK and get vaccinated. So add another 5-10% there.

That should put us in a good position. If we increase our rate to more than 6000 a day we should be in a fairly good position at about 60-75% herd immunity by Carnival.

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby Dohplaydat » May 24th, 2021, 9:42 pm

jhonnieblue wrote:Optimistic but not gonna happen anytime soon. At best bet by carnival we may be 30-40% vacinated if we are lucky.
Govt fully expects this and ministry of tourism is not engaging any stakeholders in any 2022 carnival discussion. The plan is for 2023.
Could be as optimistic as you want but that's the sad reality
(Fyi I'm more a carnival person than most and don't miss any fetes or mas)
Dohplaydat wrote:
ProtonPowder wrote:Carnival would be dangerous without herd immunity
h
We need ~70% of the population to be fully vaccinated for herd immunity.

Let's say that is 1 million people at 2 million doses overall.

We are somewhere around 70k doses, 1200 people fully vaccinated and only 1000-1500 doses being given per day.

That is 1300 days at best of vaccinating people to achieve herd immunity. Have we been vaccinating on weekends and holidays? That is somewhere around 4-5 years of round the clock vaccinations at our piss poor rates.

You tell me, we getting herd immunity anytime soon?


Let's assume we get in batches 1.5M Sinopharm + the remaining Covax 300K across September to December.

That's 120 days.

At 3000 a day (technically it's up to 6000 a day, but it'll move in cycles of 3 weeks given first dose/2nd dose):

That's 360k persons, that's 36% of the population + 10% vaccinated by end of Aug so almost 50% by end of 2021.

In Jan we could do another 10-15%. If they open the borders there are thousands who will go to the US/Canada/UK and get vaccinated. So add another 5-10% there.

That should put us in a good position. If we increase our rate to more than 6000 a day we should be in a fairly good position at about 60-75% herd immunity by Carnival.


Yea i know it's very optimistic, but even if we weren't trying for a target date, we need to move faster.

Deyalsingh boasting about having 10% vaccinated by end of August was absolutely pathetic, while many Caribbean islands have already reached 30%.

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby Dohplaydat » May 24th, 2021, 9:42 pm

adnj wrote:I'm just waiting for the spike that comes after Divali because of EU, UK and NA visitors traveling in November/December.


You assume borders will be open by then?

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Re: Carnival 2022 - Would it stil be on?

Postby Redress10 » May 24th, 2021, 9:43 pm

BUG wrote:I like the optimism but even we get all the vaccines we need, there's no way we're getting to herd immunity with the number of anti-vaxxers in this country.

The problem with just saying "if the anti-vaxxers catch the virus it's their own problem, we're opening up anyway" is that not reaching herd immunity is a danger to already vaccinated people.

Why? Because the virus will circulate non stop through the anti-vaxxers and then through the youths under 18 and vaccine compromised who can't even get the vaccine if they want to, eventually mutating to be vaccine resistant and then we're back to square one.


This guy gets it. It's very possible for the virus to become vaccine resistant. Introducing thousands of ppl to frolic and rub up on each other just increases that risk.

Carnival in 2022 is a stupid idea

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