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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » June 21st, 2022, 3:53 pm

sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:They poking the bear... Using a pawn to poke the bear...


The only bear they could be is a Koala Bear (and yes I know scientifically its not a bear).
116 days and still can't defeat a country with 1/3rd their population and 28 times less land area. Now they resorting to stealing grain and threatening the 3rd world with Famine.
The goal was never to defeat,,, if it was so, they would have ballistics the whole country.

They getting close to their objectives, and the campaign would stop.


Poland and Germany increasing weapons, assault on crimea and the blockade of kaliningrad, (or whatever), is meant to provoke more reaction... And with that extend the war effort...
Y? So Northrup grummen coukd sell more guns and bombs..


Which objective would that be? Given the moving goalposts it could very well be just as former President Medvedev indicated - the non existence of Ukraine in two years


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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby hover11 » June 22nd, 2022, 7:39 am

Just a question, if this war drag on for 5 years just throwing out a time frame. When will the boiling point with shortage and inflation reach that other countries will have to intervene and pick sides? Before when all this happened everybody was like leave them to sort out their problems, now it actually affecting us.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » June 22nd, 2022, 9:28 am

hover11 wrote:Just a question, if this war drag on for 5 years just throwing out a time frame. When will the boiling point with shortage and inflation reach that other countries will have to intervene and pick sides? Before when all this happened everybody was like leave them to sort out their problems, now it actually affecting us.


Lol........there's a tuner that like to go on threads especially on or relating to America and question why the posters in there studying other ppl countries. Now we see how interconnected the world really is.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby adnj » June 22nd, 2022, 9:43 am

Dizzy28 wrote:
hover11 wrote:Just a question, if this war drag on for 5 years just throwing out a time frame. When will the boiling point with shortage and inflation reach that other countries will have to intervene and pick sides? Before when all this happened everybody was like leave them to sort out their problems, now it actually affecting us.


Lol........there's a tuner that like to go on threads especially on or relating to America and question why the posters in there studying other ppl countries. Now we see how interconnected the world really is.


Too bad he didn't understand why US$100 billion was given to Ukraine from the West to fight Russia - keep prices down and the world economies growing.

Add Ukraine to the list that Trinitrollers rage post about because they have free time, free WiFi and don't know shitt.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » June 22nd, 2022, 10:03 am

Saw this morning Ukraine was able to crash at least one, maybe two improvised suicide drones into the Novoshakhtinsk oil refinery near Rostov-on-Don Russia. This is not even border town Russia anymore given that the surrounding Ukrainian oblasts are Luhansk and Donetsk.

Fire is out now but shows Russian air defences are not that impressive.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby adnj » June 22nd, 2022, 10:21 am

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby hover11 » June 22nd, 2022, 2:15 pm

World Bank warns of recession risk due to Ukraine war

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-617 ... B431EBDC67


Nothing to do with lockdowns or closing down worlds economies then and countries printing unlimited money during the Pandemic....sanctions were a plus as well

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

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hover11 wrote:World Bank warns of recession risk due to Ukraine war

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-617 ... B431EBDC67


Nothing to do with lockdowns or closing down worlds economies then and countries printing unlimited money during the Pandemic....sanctions were a plus as well


In the two weeks since that article was published, you still haven't been able to recognize that the article that you cited is saying the exact opposite of what you just posted.



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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby hover11 » June 22nd, 2022, 4:00 pm

adnj wrote:
hover11 wrote:World Bank warns of recession risk due to Ukraine war

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-617 ... B431EBDC67


Nothing to do with lockdowns or closing down worlds economies then and countries printing unlimited money during the Pandemic....sanctions were a plus as well


In the two weeks since that article was published, you still haven't been able to recognize that the article that you cited is saying the exact opposite of what you just posted.



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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby adnj » June 22nd, 2022, 5:01 pm

hover11 wrote:
adnj wrote:
hover11 wrote:World Bank warns of recession risk due to Ukraine war

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-617 ... B431EBDC67


Nothing to do with lockdowns or closing down worlds economies then and countries printing unlimited money during the Pandemic....sanctions were a plus as well


In the two weeks since that article was published, you still haven't been able to recognize that the article that you cited is saying the exact opposite of what you just posted.



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You don't get sarcasm do you?


Yes, I do. But only if it is successfully delivered.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Mmoney607 » June 22nd, 2022, 7:39 pm

hover11 wrote:World Bank warns of recession risk due to Ukraine war

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-617 ... B431EBDC67


Nothing to do with lockdowns or closing down worlds economies then and countries printing unlimited money during the Pandemic....sanctions were a plus as well


Haha

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Mmoney607 » June 22nd, 2022, 7:42 pm

hover11 wrote:Just a question, if this war drag on for 5 years just throwing out a time frame. When will the boiling point with shortage and inflation reach that other countries will have to intervene and pick sides? Before when all this happened everybody was like leave them to sort out their problems, now it actually affecting us.


LOL. When it's politically expedient they will just take it out of the mainstream news cycle

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby The_Honourable » June 22nd, 2022, 11:52 pm

Russian rouble climbs to strongest in 7 years vs dollar, euro

MOSCOW, June 21 (Reuters) - The Russian rouble jumped to a seven-year high against the dollar and euro on Moscow Exchange on Tuesday, supported by capital controls and the prospect of favourable month-end tax payments.

By 1423 GMT, the rouble was 2.1% stronger against the dollar at 54.44 . It earlier touched 54.20 per dollar, its strongest mark since June 2015.

Against the euro, the currency gained 1.8% to trade at 57.80 , earlier touching 57.0250, its strongest point since May 2015.

The rouble, which has become the world's best-performing currency this year, is steered by Russia's high proceeds from commodity exports, a sharp drop in imports and a ban on households withdrawing foreign currency savings.

Top policymakers used Russia's annual economic forum in St. Petersburg last week to highlight the rouble's recent strength. There are concerns this could weigh on the economy as it tips into recession amid harsh sanctions over what Moscow calls a "special military operation" in Ukraine.

"At the start of the trading day, the Russian market may continue its upward movement due to the lack of significant external and internal drivers for selling," Veles Capital said in a note.

BCS Express said it was likely that the rouble remains heavily influenced by the market imbalance between demand and supply.

"There are still not enough buyers of foreign currencies to satisfy sales, without pushing foreign currency rates lower," BCS said.

The rouble is buttressed by companies that need to pay taxes early next week. For export-focused firms, that means converting dollar and euro revenue into roubles.

SberCIB Investment Research said these should pick up in the coming days, adding that it was hard to attribute the rouble's recent gains to exporters' increasing offers of hard currency because moves have been on low trading volumes.

Russian stock indexes were mixed.

The dollar-denominated RTS index (.IRTS) was up 1% at 1,370.9 points, its highest since Feb. 21, shortly before Russia sent tens of thousands of troops into Ukraine.

The rouble-based MOEX Russian index (.IMOEX) was 1.4% lower at 2,374.2 points.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/ ... 022-06-21/

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Mmoney607 » June 23rd, 2022, 12:11 am

And people was laughing when the currency crash. Lol.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » June 23rd, 2022, 9:34 am

Ukrainian Defence Minister Oleksii Reznikov publicly anouncing today that the US made HIMARS are in Ukraine.
Supposedly a game changer even without the long range ATACMS missiles which Ukraine were told they would not get given that it would allow for striking deep into Russia itself. Lets see how things go.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby matr1x » June 23rd, 2022, 10:21 am

We get manipulated into war

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby SuperiorMan » June 23rd, 2022, 10:34 am

Putin is a smart man. People always underestimate him.

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Postby matr1x » June 23rd, 2022, 5:39 pm

Nice. World War 3 time!

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » June 23rd, 2022, 7:05 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:They poking the bear... Using a pawn to poke the bear...


The only bear they could be is a Koala Bear (and yes I know scientifically its not a bear).
116 days and still can't defeat a country with 1/3rd their population and 28 times less land area. Now they resorting to stealing grain and threatening the 3rd world with Famine.
The goal was never to defeat,,, if it was so, they would have ballistics the whole country.

They getting close to their objectives, and the campaign would stop.


Poland and Germany increasing weapons, assault on crimea and the blockade of kaliningrad, (or whatever), is meant to provoke more reaction... And with that extend the war effort...
Y? So Northrup grummen coukd sell more guns and bombs..


Which objective would that be? Given the moving goalposts it could very well be just as former President Medvedev indicated - the non existence of Ukraine in two years


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there were no moving goalposts. all other 'objectives' are ramblings of other people. EVVVVVERY body else keep saying what russia GOING to do... and making plans for that. and, so far, they ahve only been taking the eastern regions.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » June 23rd, 2022, 9:03 pm

They tried storming Kiev and failed miserably leaving a trail of war crimes in places like Irpin and Bucha.

The mighty VDV were routed in Hostomel. You tellin me they did all that independent of their initial plan?

Donbass is consolation for failing to implement regime change in the Capital.
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:They poking the bear... Using a pawn to poke the bear...


The only bear they could be is a Koala Bear (and yes I know scientifically its not a bear).
116 days and still can't defeat a country with 1/3rd their population and 28 times less land area. Now they resorting to stealing grain and threatening the 3rd world with Famine.
The goal was never to defeat,,, if it was so, they would have ballistics the whole country.

They getting close to their objectives, and the campaign would stop.


Poland and Germany increasing weapons, assault on crimea and the blockade of kaliningrad, (or whatever), is meant to provoke more reaction... And with that extend the war effort...
Y? So Northrup grummen coukd sell more guns and bombs..


Which objective would that be? Given the moving goalposts it could very well be just as former President Medvedev indicated - the non existence of Ukraine in two years


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there were no moving goalposts. all other 'objectives' are ramblings of other people. EVVVVVERY body else keep saying what russia GOING to do... and making plans for that. and, so far, they ahve only been taking the eastern regions.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » June 23rd, 2022, 9:21 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:They tried storming Kiev and failed miserably leaving a trail of war crimes in places like Irpin and Bucha.

The mighty VDV were routed in Hostomel. You tellin me they did all that independent of their initial plan?

Donbass is consolation for failing to implement regime change in the Capital.
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:They poking the bear... Using a pawn to poke the bear...


The only bear they could be is a Koala Bear (and yes I know scientifically its not a bear).
116 days and still can't defeat a country with 1/3rd their population and 28 times less land area. Now they resorting to stealing grain and threatening the 3rd world with Famine.
The goal was never to defeat,,, if it was so, they would have ballistics the whole country.

They getting close to their objectives, and the campaign would stop.


Poland and Germany increasing weapons, assault on crimea and the blockade of kaliningrad, (or whatever), is meant to provoke more reaction... And with that extend the war effort...
Y? So Northrup grummen coukd sell more guns and bombs..


Which objective would that be? Given the moving goalposts it could very well be just as former President Medvedev indicated - the non existence of Ukraine in two years


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there were no moving goalposts. all other 'objectives' are ramblings of other people. EVVVVVERY body else keep saying what russia GOING to do... and making plans for that. and, so far, they ahve only been taking the eastern regions.

try storming kiev? with all the old broken, tired vehicles... okay.. if thats what u think invading a country would be the requried vehicles.

went on kiev, drew attention there, then established themselves properly inthe east. its called a 'diversion'

prolly somebdoy will tell me i using the wrong term.. what evs, it worked.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » June 23rd, 2022, 9:56 pm

https://youtu.be/aXDnOQou1po
mc crashing the world, to make putin richer.



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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » June 24th, 2022, 3:12 pm

sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:They tried storming Kiev and failed miserably leaving a trail of war crimes in places like Irpin and Bucha.

The mighty VDV were routed in Hostomel. You tellin me they did all that independent of their initial plan?

Donbass is consolation for failing to implement regime change in the Capital.
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:They poking the bear... Using a pawn to poke the bear...


The only bear they could be is a Koala Bear (and yes I know scientifically its not a bear).
116 days and still can't defeat a country with 1/3rd their population and 28 times less land area. Now they resorting to stealing grain and threatening the 3rd world with Famine.
The goal was never to defeat,,, if it was so, they would have ballistics the whole country.

They getting close to their objectives, and the campaign would stop.


Poland and Germany increasing weapons, assault on crimea and the blockade of kaliningrad, (or whatever), is meant to provoke more reaction... And with that extend the war effort...
Y? So Northrup grummen coukd sell more guns and bombs..


Which objective would that be? Given the moving goalposts it could very well be just as former President Medvedev indicated - the non existence of Ukraine in two years


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there were no moving goalposts. all other 'objectives' are ramblings of other people. EVVVVVERY body else keep saying what russia GOING to do... and making plans for that. and, so far, they ahve only been taking the eastern regions.

try storming kiev? with all the old broken, tired vehicles... okay.. if thats what u think invading a country would be the requried vehicles.

went on kiev, drew attention there, then established themselves properly inthe east. its called a 'diversion'

prolly somebdoy will tell me i using the wrong term.. what evs, it worked.


You speak as someone who only watches Youtube conspiracy videos. As per the Harvard Kennedy School for International Relations -
Initial military operations in the Kyiv area began on the very first day of the invasion with the Russian airborne assault on the Hostomel airport, that put 200-400 paratroopers 15 kilometers outside the Ukrainian capital on Feb. 24. This was a high-risk operation that can only be justified if Russia expected the Ukrainian government to collapse. In addition, a large scale column of about four regiments (15,000 to 20,000 personnel) arrived from Belarus along the west bank of the Dnieper. On the eastern side of the Dnieper two division-sized formations (20,000 – 24,000 personnel) arrived on the north-east side of Kyiv through the Chernihiv and Sumy regions. The Ukrainian government responded by arming the local population and rushing in [regular?] forces from western Ukraine. At the same time, Russian forces successfully attacked out of Crimea aiming to capture bridges over the Dnieper and to attack Ukrainian troops north of Mariupol in the rear, encircling the city.

The rapid growth in Ukraine’s combat power meant that the Russian army didn’t have the forces to successfully attack a city of 2.5 million or even to effectively lay siege to it. At first, the siege of Kyiv still served a military purpose by drawing Ukrainian forces away from Donbas, where units of the Russian army and the separatist republics were having success around Mariupol and Izyum. Once the Russian army had consolidated their defense, protecting the flanks of the Donbas operations in the vicinity of Kherson bridgehead and south of Kryvyi Rih and the city of Zaporizhzhia, even this purpose was lost.


You can believe that almost 50,000 Ruskies and thousand of pieces of armour (top end systems by Russian standards were used in the North including the Pantsir so I'm not sure where your claim of broken equipment comes from) were a mere diversion if you want to but the capture was Kiev was a major goal that did not materialize.

But at least Russia captured Severdonetsk today as Ukraine ordered a retreat. This effectively gives them all of the Luhansk.

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Postby adnj » June 24th, 2022, 3:48 pm

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Most of the civilian casualties recorded were caused by the use of explosive weapons with a wide impact area, including shelling from heavy artillery and multiple launch rocket systems, as well as missiles and airstrikes.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » June 24th, 2022, 4:22 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:They tried storming Kiev and failed miserably leaving a trail of war crimes in places like Irpin and Bucha.

The mighty VDV were routed in Hostomel. You tellin me they did all that independent of their initial plan?

Donbass is consolation for failing to implement regime change in the Capital.
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:They poking the bear... Using a pawn to poke the bear...


The only bear they could be is a Koala Bear (and yes I know scientifically its not a bear).
116 days and still can't defeat a country with 1/3rd their population and 28 times less land area. Now they resorting to stealing grain and threatening the 3rd world with Famine.
The goal was never to defeat,,, if it was so, they would have ballistics the whole country.

They getting close to their objectives, and the campaign would stop.


Poland and Germany increasing weapons, assault on crimea and the blockade of kaliningrad, (or whatever), is meant to provoke more reaction... And with that extend the war effort...
Y? So Northrup grummen coukd sell more guns and bombs..


Which objective would that be? Given the moving goalposts it could very well be just as former President Medvedev indicated - the non existence of Ukraine in two years


Capture.JPG

there were no moving goalposts. all other 'objectives' are ramblings of other people. EVVVVVERY body else keep saying what russia GOING to do... and making plans for that. and, so far, they ahve only been taking the eastern regions.

try storming kiev? with all the old broken, tired vehicles... okay.. if thats what u think invading a country would be the requried vehicles.

went on kiev, drew attention there, then established themselves properly inthe east. its called a 'diversion'

prolly somebdoy will tell me i using the wrong term.. what evs, it worked.


You speak as someone who only watches Youtube conspiracy videos. As per the Harvard Kennedy School for International Relations -
Initial military operations in the Kyiv area began on the very first day of the invasion with the Russian airborne assault on the Hostomel airport, that put 200-400 paratroopers 15 kilometers outside the Ukrainian capital on Feb. 24. This was a high-risk operation that can only be justified if Russia expected the Ukrainian government to collapse. In addition, a large scale column of about four regiments (15,000 to 20,000 personnel) arrived from Belarus along the west bank of the Dnieper. On the eastern side of the Dnieper two division-sized formations (20,000 – 24,000 personnel) arrived on the north-east side of Kyiv through the Chernihiv and Sumy regions. The Ukrainian government responded by arming the local population and rushing in [regular?] forces from western Ukraine. At the same time, Russian forces successfully attacked out of Crimea aiming to capture bridges over the Dnieper and to attack Ukrainian troops north of Mariupol in the rear, encircling the city.

The rapid growth in Ukraine’s combat power meant that the Russian army didn’t have the forces to successfully attack a city of 2.5 million or even to effectively lay siege to it. At first, the siege of Kyiv still served a military purpose by drawing Ukrainian forces away from Donbas, where units of the Russian army and the separatist republics were having success around Mariupol and Izyum. Once the Russian army had consolidated their defense, protecting the flanks of the Donbas operations in the vicinity of Kherson bridgehead and south of Kryvyi Rih and the city of Zaporizhzhia, even this purpose was lost.


You can believe that almost 50,000 Ruskies and thousand of pieces of armour (top end systems by Russian standards were used in the North including the Pantsir so I'm not sure where your claim of broken equipment comes from) were a mere diversion if you want to but the capture was Kiev was a major goal that did not materialize.

But at least Russia captured Severdonetsk today as Ukraine ordered a retreat. This effectively gives them all of the Luhansk.

it was their version of D day.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » June 27th, 2022, 7:24 am

Putin remains a master strategist
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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby hover11 » June 27th, 2022, 7:25 am

They playing checkers while he playing chess.... everything he does is calculated

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Postby adnj » June 27th, 2022, 8:04 am

Nobel Peace Prize winner Dmitry Muratov, editor-in-chief of the influential Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta, poses for a picture next to his 23-karat gold medal before it is auctioned at the Times Center, June 20, 2022, in New York.


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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » June 27th, 2022, 9:12 am

hover11 wrote:They playing checkers while he playing chess.... everything he does is calculated


In a war where it is quite feasible that the total Russian casualties (dead and wounded) is in the 100,000's nothing he does can be considered calculated.

If anything this has been a severe miscalculation on his part as to the resolve of the Ukrainian people and the quantity of high quality western arms that would flood into Ukraine.

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