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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby De Dragon » May 23rd, 2022, 4:07 pm

sMASH wrote:Give up the eastern regions as they were and are pro Russian, promise not to join or host nato, and Russia will cease.

That 40bn from US is not gifts, those are loans, and Ukraine will be indebted in the aftermath.

Since 2014 there was civil war in the eastern regions, with shelling going on too,... They are not Ukraine.

Nope, those areas were under Russian control already pre-invasion. Ukraine has never shown any indication to join NATO pre invasion. Putin has always laid claim to the entire Ukraine pre invasion.
Now that Putin has been humiliated and the economy in tatters, nothing short of full conquest will satisfy him, and keep him in power.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » May 23rd, 2022, 4:34 pm

^ A Russian military officer gave away a probable plan last month.
Russia intends to link up with the Russian majority speaking Moldovan breakaway region of Transnistria. To achieve that would require more of Ukraine than just the Donbas.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » May 23rd, 2022, 5:15 pm

well, join ukraine into NATO and stop pussyfooting.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby adnj » May 23rd, 2022, 5:47 pm

You cannot just "join ukraine into NATO." Ukraine no longer has capacity for self-defense, much less the capacity to meet NATO requirements for meeting armament levels, GDP spending or weapons standardization.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » May 23rd, 2022, 6:46 pm

That's the whole idea of NATO... Hit one hit all.
All the other NATO countries pretty happy sending guns and bombs. Poland is working out a deal to send actual troops into Ukraine.

They pretty willing to let Sweden and Denmark in (?)


Is either stop it, out right or let Ukraine play the hand they have.


But pumping they with supplies gonna keep this special longer than it needs to be, with more lives and infrastructure loss.

Just playing games, perpetual forever wars.

Knew pulling out Afghanistan has ulterior motives.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby timelapse » May 23rd, 2022, 8:01 pm

sMASH wrote:That's the whole idea of NATO... Hit one hit all.
All the other NATO countries pretty happy sending guns and bombs. Poland is working out a deal to send actual troops into Ukraine.

They pretty willing to let Sweden and Denmark in (?)


Is either stop it, out right or let Ukraine play the hand they have.


But pumping they with supplies gonna keep this special longer than it needs to be, with more lives and infrastructure loss.

Just playing games, perpetual forever wars.

Knew pulling out Afghanistan has ulterior motives.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/11/us-afghanistan-iraq-defense-spending
Afghanistan

Oh would you look at that, same names calling

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2022/03/09/defense-industry-ukraine-242533

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby adnj » May 24th, 2022, 8:22 am

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All three cities are located in and around the Luhansk region, which, along with the Donetsk region, has seen fighting since 2014 by Russian-backed separatist forces.

UK intelligence said if Russian troops seize the city of Sievierodonetsk, Russia would effectively bring the Luhansk under Moscow’s control.

After failing to capture key cities and territory in the western part of Ukraine, including the capitol region of Kyiv, Russia regrouped for a more limited offensive to capture the eastern Donbas, the industrial heartland of the country.

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... -says/amp/

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » May 24th, 2022, 10:36 am

Seems another Russian General (retired) down
BBC Russia confirmed Ukraine's claim that retired Russian Major General Kanamat Botashev was shot down, possibly by a Stinger MANPADS, in a Su-25 aircraft near Popasna on Sunday and killed. It appears he was flying for PMC, Wagner.
https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-61559430
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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » May 30th, 2022, 9:26 pm

"negotiation table"????



are they or aren't they getting the 40bn weapons loan???

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » June 1st, 2022, 3:19 pm

Latest US Aid announced today

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » June 8th, 2022, 12:40 pm

plandemic... to crash the middle and lower income groups, world wide.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » June 10th, 2022, 6:50 pm

https://youtu.be/KKtofNBgSiU

if ukraine not going to get significant weapons injection, thier campaign against russia will fall...

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » June 11th, 2022, 3:55 am

https://youtu.be/MbrD7S6KU6g

sending arms to the most corrupt country in europe, and they take them and sell them.... arguably a better use


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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » June 11th, 2022, 8:27 am

these people run the biggest economies of the world, and they are stupid... just dumb... and trump was right.

https://rumble.com/embed/v15gfc1/?pub=vem2i

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby adnj » June 12th, 2022, 5:58 am

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During a surprise visit to the capital Kyiv, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen met President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Saturday and told him about discussions on whether to recommend Ukraine as a candidate for membership.

The move would only be a preliminary step in a long process.

All 27 EU governments would have to agree to grant Ukraine candidate status, after which there would be extensive talks on the reforms required before Kyiv could be considered for membership.

Zelenskyy has been pressing for rapid admission into the European Union as a way of reducing Ukraine’s geopolitical vulnerability after Russia’s February 24 invasion.

But officials and leaders in the bloc caution that, even with candidacy status, actual EU membership could take years – or even decades.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022 ... -next-week

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby timelapse » June 12th, 2022, 6:19 am

sMASH wrote:these people run the biggest economies of the world, and they are stupid... just dumb... and trump was right.

https://rumble.com/embed/v15gfc1/?pub=vem2i
Interesting.Trump NOT as dumb as the media made him out to be?And we still listening to them?

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » June 12th, 2022, 8:04 am

timelapse wrote:
sMASH wrote:these people run the biggest economies of the world, and they are stupid... just dumb... and trump was right.

https://rumble.com/embed/v15gfc1/?pub=vem2i
Interesting.Trump NOT as dumb as the media made him out to be?And we still listening to them?

he not a genius tho... as simple as, doh cuss out ah man, that your water line passing tru his yard. america chain up europe to vex with russia, and they dependent on their oil.... them dumb twice : once for getting vex with russia and second for taking chain up from america

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » June 20th, 2022, 10:56 am

Hmmn. Lol... Crowd funded and every ting.
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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby timelapse » June 20th, 2022, 2:07 pm

Thank the Lord that T&T too broke to afford that kind of arsenal.Growlers and he pet Buck woulda have a field day.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » June 20th, 2022, 3:16 pm

June 20 (Reuters) - Ukrainian forces attacked drilling platforms in the Black Sea owned by a Crimean oil and gas company, the pro-Russian head of the annexed peninsula said on Monday, giving no details of what weapons were used.

Three people were wounded and a search was under way for seven workers from the Chernomorneftegaz energy company, Sergei Askyonov, the Russian-installed head of Crimea, said in a post on Telegram.

https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-h ... 022-06-20/

This would probably explain the videos of Ukrainian Sukhoi Flankers flying over Odessa and into the Black Sea region this morning.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » June 20th, 2022, 7:54 pm

Hammer down.
This Will reduce oil production, driving up prices further.

They will be made to pay....

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » June 20th, 2022, 9:00 pm

Lithuania showing more balls than Germany. They have effectively blockaded the Russian Exclave of Kaliningrad by enforcing EU sanctions and stopping sanctioned goods from Russia reaching Kallinigrad using Lithuanian overland shipping routes.

Lithuania is a NATO member so Russia could play "fxuk around and find out" if they in the words of Harry Callahan "Feel Lucky"



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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » June 20th, 2022, 10:51 pm

They poking the bear... Using a pawn to poke the bear...

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » June 21st, 2022, 11:01 am

sMASH wrote:They poking the bear... Using a pawn to poke the bear...


The only bear they could be is a Koala Bear (and yes I know scientifically its not a bear).
116 days and still can't defeat a country with 1/3rd their population and 28 times less land area. Now they resorting to stealing grain and threatening the 3rd world with Famine.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby sMASH » June 21st, 2022, 1:56 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:They poking the bear... Using a pawn to poke the bear...


The only bear they could be is a Koala Bear (and yes I know scientifically its not a bear).
116 days and still can't defeat a country with 1/3rd their population and 28 times less land area. Now they resorting to stealing grain and threatening the 3rd world with Famine.
The goal was never to defeat,,, if it was so, they would have ballistics the whole country.

They getting close to their objectives, and the campaign would stop.


Poland and Germany increasing weapons, assault on crimea and the blockade of kaliningrad, (or whatever), is meant to provoke more reaction... And with that extend the war effort...
Y? So Northrup grummen coukd sell more guns and bombs..

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