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SuperiorMan wrote:who here seriously think russia will lose to ukraine?
I mean they not doing as they expected to do but losing to ukraine is far fetched.
timelapse wrote:Russia will win the economic front.Lets face it, America broke af right now.All the sanctions by the west actually hurting the west more than it is hurting Russia.And Vlad knows it.They have been prepping for this for a long while now.Covid just made it convenient.This has me wondering if conspiracy theorists were pointing their finger in the wrong direction.
sMASH wrote:timelapse wrote:Russia will win the economic front.Lets face it, America broke af right now.All the sanctions by the west actually hurting the west more than it is hurting Russia.And Vlad knows it.They have been prepping for this for a long while now.Covid just made it convenient.This has me wondering if conspiracy theorists were pointing their finger in the wrong direction.
not broke enough that they cant force another 20years campaign. they will jess print more money and force the inflation on the citizens. they coudl run up more debt with china, that china will be glad to hold.
things not going according to russias plans as much, but it not as bad as any one would have thought. i myself thought it would be more ruff, but i wasnt thinking that india, iran, china would have stepped up so much.
the eu cutting back thier purchases from russia IS a giant blow, but they licking up their own vomit to beg for gas UNTIL they can wean off properly is telling how badly off the eu economy would be without russian fossil. eu just decided to pay 20% (just making an example, not sure of the exact figure) for stuff they need. that cost will be deducted from spending in other areas. so overall they will suffer more, with no additional benefit, except the right to say, 'we stand with ukraine'
and, they will ahve to commit more to spending on NATO defense, so another avenue for their wealth to get soaked up with no tangible return. they incurring more costs with no real advancement to show.
adnj wrote:sMASH wrote:timelapse wrote:Russia will win the economic front.Lets face it, America broke af right now.All the sanctions by the west actually hurting the west more than it is hurting Russia.And Vlad knows it.They have been prepping for this for a long while now.Covid just made it convenient.This has me wondering if conspiracy theorists were pointing their finger in the wrong direction.
not broke enough that they cant force another 20years campaign. they will jess print more money and force the inflation on the citizens. they coudl run up more debt with china, that china will be glad to hold.
things not going according to russias plans as much, but it not as bad as any one would have thought. i myself thought it would be more ruff, but i wasnt thinking that india, iran, china would have stepped up so much.
the eu cutting back thier purchases from russia IS a giant blow, but they licking up their own vomit to beg for gas UNTIL they can wean off properly is telling how badly off the eu economy would be without russian fossil. eu just decided to pay 20% (just making an example, not sure of the exact figure) for stuff they need. that cost will be deducted from spending in other areas. so overall they will suffer more, with no additional benefit, except the right to say, 'we stand with ukraine'
and, they will ahve to commit more to spending on NATO defense, so another avenue for their wealth to get soaked up with no tangible return. they incurring more costs with no real advancement to show.
Really? Then why has Russia made it illegal to print criticisms of their own leadership, refused to release the names of the Ukraine KIAs to their own families, restarted conscription, made it illegal to buy and hold foreign currency, made it illegal for private companies to publish financial data, ceased publishing national financial data each month, and have only published small sections of national financial data on only certain segments of economic activity on an ad hoc basis?
The economy in Russia must really be booming right now.
"Slightly" off plan according to Smash.sMASH wrote:timelapse wrote:Russia will win the economic front.Lets face it, America broke af right now.All the sanctions by the west actually hurting the west more than it is hurting Russia.And Vlad knows it.They have been prepping for this for a long while now.Covid just made it convenient.This has me wondering if conspiracy theorists were pointing their finger in the wrong direction.
not broke enough that they cant force another 20years campaign. they will jess print more money and force the inflation on the citizens. they coudl run up more debt with china, that china will be glad to hold.
things not going according to russias plans as much, but it not as bad as any one would have thought. i myself thought it would be more ruff, but i wasnt thinking that india, iran, china would have stepped up so much.
the eu cutting back thier purchases from russia IS a giant blow, but they licking up their own vomit to beg for gas UNTIL they can wean off properly is telling how badly off the eu economy would be without russian fossil. eu just decided to pay 20% (just making an example, not sure of the exact figure) for stuff they need. that cost will be deducted from spending in other areas. so overall they will suffer more, with no additional benefit, except the right to say, 'we stand with ukraine'
and, they will ahve to commit more to spending on NATO defense, so another avenue for their wealth to get soaked up with no tangible return. they incurring more costs with no real advancement to show.
Dizzy28 wrote:"Slightly" off plan according to Smash.sMASH wrote:timelapse wrote:Russia will win the economic front.Lets face it, America broke af right now.All the sanctions by the west actually hurting the west more than it is hurting Russia.And Vlad knows it.They have been prepping for this for a long while now.Covid just made it convenient.This has me wondering if conspiracy theorists were pointing their finger in the wrong direction.
not broke enough that they cant force another 20years campaign. they will jess print more money and force the inflation on the citizens. they coudl run up more debt with china, that china will be glad to hold.
things not going according to russias plans as much, but it not as bad as any one would have thought. i myself thought it would be more ruff, but i wasnt thinking that india, iran, china would have stepped up so much.
the eu cutting back thier purchases from russia IS a giant blow, but they licking up their own vomit to beg for gas UNTIL they can wean off properly is telling how badly off the eu economy would be without russian fossil. eu just decided to pay 20% (just making an example, not sure of the exact figure) for stuff they need. that cost will be deducted from spending in other areas. so overall they will suffer more, with no additional benefit, except the right to say, 'we stand with ukraine'
and, they will ahve to commit more to spending on NATO defense, so another avenue for their wealth to get soaked up with no tangible return. they incurring more costs with no real advancement to show.
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Small island Trinitroller contrarians can read reading but they can't read writing. They can't see what's real. They just log on to fukkup some stuff.Dizzy28 wrote:"Slightly" off plan according to Smash.sMASH wrote:timelapse wrote:Russia will win the economic front.Lets face it, America broke af right now.All the sanctions by the west actually hurting the west more than it is hurting Russia.And Vlad knows it.They have been prepping for this for a long while now.Covid just made it convenient.This has me wondering if conspiracy theorists were pointing their finger in the wrong direction.
not broke enough that they cant force another 20years campaign. they will jess print more money and force the inflation on the citizens. they coudl run up more debt with china, that china will be glad to hold.
things not going according to russias plans as much, but it not as bad as any one would have thought. i myself thought it would be more ruff, but i wasnt thinking that india, iran, china would have stepped up so much.
the eu cutting back thier purchases from russia IS a giant blow, but they licking up their own vomit to beg for gas UNTIL they can wean off properly is telling how badly off the eu economy would be without russian fossil. eu just decided to pay 20% (just making an example, not sure of the exact figure) for stuff they need. that cost will be deducted from spending in other areas. so overall they will suffer more, with no additional benefit, except the right to say, 'we stand with ukraine'
and, they will ahve to commit more to spending on NATO defense, so another avenue for their wealth to get soaked up with no tangible return. they incurring more costs with no real advancement to show.
Totally off the grid?sMASH wrote:one good thing, europe will be resuming a lot of nuclear power production. that will be better for the world than wind and solar. and i have a solar powered house TOTALLY off grid.
adnj wrote:Small island Trinitroller contrarians can read reading but they can't read writing. They can't see what's real. They just log on to fukkup some stuff.Dizzy28 wrote:"Slightly" off plan according to Smash.sMASH wrote:timelapse wrote:Russia will win the economic front.Lets face it, America broke af right now.All the sanctions by the west actually hurting the west more than it is hurting Russia.And Vlad knows it.They have been prepping for this for a long while now.Covid just made it convenient.This has me wondering if conspiracy theorists were pointing their finger in the wrong direction.
not broke enough that they cant force another 20years campaign. they will jess print more money and force the inflation on the citizens. they coudl run up more debt with china, that china will be glad to hold.
things not going according to russias plans as much, but it not as bad as any one would have thought. i myself thought it would be more ruff, but i wasnt thinking that india, iran, china would have stepped up so much.
the eu cutting back thier purchases from russia IS a giant blow, but they licking up their own vomit to beg for gas UNTIL they can wean off properly is telling how badly off the eu economy would be without russian fossil. eu just decided to pay 20% (just making an example, not sure of the exact figure) for stuff they need. that cost will be deducted from spending in other areas. so overall they will suffer more, with no additional benefit, except the right to say, 'we stand with ukraine'
and, they will ahve to commit more to spending on NATO defense, so another avenue for their wealth to get soaked up with no tangible return. they incurring more costs with no real advancement to show.
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No one knows what's going in Russia. But what we do know is that the Special Operation in Ukraine became the Regular Operation in Afghanistan 2.0.
What else happened after the invasion of Ukraine? More than half of the people in Donbas have fled. More than half of the Russian federal budget is in jeopardy. NATO is bigger. Ukraine is already an EU candidate. Russia went from near zero population growth to being one of the fastest shrinking populations in the world. And Europe has accelerated in becoming the most fossil energy independent region on the planet.
X30000.99RedVEVO wrote:^^
Ukraine belongs to Russia !
It's time Mr Actor President fly out .
SuperiorMan wrote:Putin outclasses the west yet again!
Biden, Trump and Obama (many times lol) bow to the diminutive genius.
Only Bush can maybe hold his head up high, maybe.
Russia don't spend all its money on partying like idiot banana republics.Money tallDizzy28 wrote:I remember reading somewhere over the weekend that the cost of the 6 rocket pod for the HIMARS is almost US$1m. Assuming Ukrainian HIMARS fires two pods per night and Ukraine currently has between 8 to 12 (of 16 that was pledged) that's US$16 to 24m per day on that platform alone. Almost a billion dollars for the month.
On the other hand Russia seems to be throwing everything including the kitchen sink at Ukraine so I can just imagine what their spend is. Their economy is fcuked for sure and no amount of commodity sales to China, India and the rest of the 3rd world can fix that.
Yale?adnj wrote:Get ready for the new EU immigrants: Russian white collar workers.
What they found: The paper's results include sobering facts about the Russian economy.
"Russian imports have largely collapsed," the paper says — creating massive supply shortages and denying the country crucial parts and technologies."Russian domestic production has come to a complete standstill."Foreign companies that have left Russia account for 40% of Russian GDP, the author wrote, almost none of which is going to come back any time soon.
The conclusion: "Looking ahead, there is no path out of economic oblivion for Russia as long as the allied countries remain unified in maintaining and increasing sanctions pressure."
https://www.axios.com/2022/07/26/russia ... mic-impact
adnj wrote:Get ready for the new EU immigrants: Russian white collar workers.
What they found: The paper's results include sobering facts about the Russian economy.
"Russian imports have largely collapsed," the paper says — creating massive supply shortages and denying the country crucial parts and technologies."Russian domestic production has come to a complete standstill."Foreign companies that have left Russia account for 40% of Russian GDP, the author wrote, almost none of which is going to come back any time soon.
The conclusion: "Looking ahead, there is no path out of economic oblivion for Russia as long as the allied countries remain unified in maintaining and increasing sanctions pressure."
https://www.axios.com/2022/07/26/russia ... mic-impact
They also said Hillary would win against trump.adnj wrote:Business Retreats and Sanctions Are Crippling the Russian Economy
20 Jul 2022
As the Russian invasion of Ukraine enters into its fifth month, a common narrative has emerged that the unity of the world in standing up to Russia has somehow devolved into a “war of economic attrition which is taking its toll on the west”, given the supposed “resilience” and even “prosperity” of the Russian economy. This is simply untrue – and a reflection of widely held but factually incorrect misunderstandings over how the Russian economy is actually holding up amidst the exodus of over 1,000 global companies and international sanctions.
That these misunderstandings persist is not surprising. Since the invasion, the Kremlin’s economic releases have become increasingly cherry-picked, selectively tossing out unfavorable metrics while releasing only those that are more favorable. These Putin-selected statistics are then carelessly trumpeted across media and used by reams of well-meaning but careless experts in building out forecasts which are excessively, unrealistically favorable to the Kremlin.
Our team of experts, using private Russian language and unconventional data sources including high frequency consumer data, cross-channel checks, releases from Russia’s international trade partners, and data mining of complex shipping data, have released one of the first comprehensive economic analyses measuring Russian current economic activity five months into the invasion, and assessing Russia’s economic outlook.
From our analysis, it becomes clear: business retreats and sanctions are catastrophically crippling the Russian economy. We tackle a wide range of common misperceptions – and shed light on what is actually going on inside Russia, including:
- Russia’s strategic positioning as a commodities exporter has irrevocably deteriorated, as it now deals from a position of weakness with the loss of its erstwhile main markets, and faces steep challenges executing a “pivot to Asia” with non-fungible exports such as piped gas
- Despite some lingering leakiness, Russian imports have largely collapsed, and the country faces stark challenges securing crucial inputs, parts, and technology from hesitant trade partners, leading to widespread supply shortages within its domestic economy
- Despite Putin’s delusions of self-sufficiency and import substitution, Russian domestic production has come to a complete standstill with no capacity to replace lost businesses, products and talent; the hollowing out of Russia’s domestic innovation and production base has led to soaring prices and consumer angst
- As a result of the business retreat, Russia has lost companies representing ~40% of its GDP, reversing nearly all of three decades’ worth of foreign investment and buttressing unprecedented simultaneous capital and population flight in a mass exodus of Russia’s economic base
- Putin is resorting to patently unsustainable, dramatic fiscal and monetary intervention to smooth over these structural economic weaknesses, which has already sent his government budget into deficit for the first time in years and drained his foreign reserves even with high energy prices – and Kremlin finances are in much, much more dire straits than conventionally understood
- Russian domestic financial markets, as an indicator of both present conditions and future outlook, are the worst performing markets in the entire world this year despite strict capital controls, and have priced in sustained, persistent weakness within the economy with liquidity and credit contracting – in addition to Russia being substantively cut off from international financial markets, limiting its ability to tap into pools of capital needed for the revitalization of its crippled economy
Looking ahead, there is no path out of economic oblivion for Russia as long as the allied countries remain unified in maintaining and increasing sanctions pressure against Russia, and The Kyiv School of Economics and McFaul-Yermak Working Group have led the way in proposing additional sanctions measures.
Defeatist headlines arguing that Russia’s economy has bounced back are simply not factual - the facts are that, by any metric and on any level, the Russian economy is reeling, and now is not the time to step on the brakes.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=4167193
They would have to ration gas for heat this wint... Oh wait, no. Wrong losing side.SuperiorMan wrote:So if Putin takes Kyiv....what you all think would happen to the russian economy?
Dozens of Ukrainian troops died in a July 17 Russian missile strike on Mykolaiv, unconfirmed by Ukraine’s military.
While much reporting lately has focused on the havoc American HIMARS missiles are surely causing to Russian forces, Russia’s own barrage of missile attacks against Ukraine appears to be well targeted and very damaging not just to civilians, but also to its war effort. Up to 40 soldiers died in a single strike on a series of warehouses, a volunteer rescue worker told me. The toll could be as high as 50, according to another source. We’re reporting this incident for the first time and it illustrates Ukraine’s desperate need for air defense.
Both Ukraine and Russia do not routinely disclose their losses. In Ukraine however, this policy works at cross purposes with its goal of convincing allies and their publics of the need for more shipments of arms. It may be seen as an issue of morale here. I often hear of outdated Russian rockets missing their targets but from what I saw in Mykolaiv, not only is Russia getting accurate coordinates for secret bases and supply dumps but they are hitting their marks. Mykolaiv region was hit with 129 missiles in two weeks. It’s scary
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/russi ... m-the-west
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