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Re: Residential Generators

Postby bgh » February 22nd, 2022, 8:19 pm

Phone Surgeon wrote:
pugboy wrote:most of the better ones have a fuel lock off valve between tank and carb
so just lock that and let engine run dry
you can use additive stabil to keep gas good for a long time



even the cheap pulsar one i have has a fuel lock off

i don't know how other generators are but i really forgot how to start the pulsar and then i realize it has signs and stickers EVERYWHERE on the machine itself with step by step instructions on how to start

by the fuel tank it mark "50:1" gas mixture
by the fuel lock off valve it has a sticker showing which way is on and which way is off
by the power switch it have a sign saying which is off and on
and then a long sticker with full instructions on how to start it

where to position choke, fuel valve etc

good for dummies like me

i throw pure unleaded gas in it first and it was starting and cutting off..then i realize the big "50:1" sign lol
I use the same mixture as in my brush cutter, so I'm ready whenever the Power cartel Fup...

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby supercharged turbo » February 22nd, 2022, 8:23 pm

agent007 wrote:Ok so how many of you all purchased generators and willing to share your purchase price and thoughts on its features etc cause plenty talk passing here and I'm sure there are lurkers who want some more ownership and buying experience feedback.
I got my inverter repaired and collected it today.I'm going to invest in a generator but still looking around atm

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby Kenjo » February 22nd, 2022, 8:32 pm

bgh wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:
pugboy wrote:most of the better ones have a fuel lock off valve between tank and carb
so just lock that and let engine run dry
you can use additive stabil to keep gas good for a long time



even the cheap pulsar one i have has a fuel lock off

i don't know how other generators are but i really forgot how to start the pulsar and then i realize it has signs and stickers EVERYWHERE on the machine itself with step by step instructions on how to start

by the fuel tank it mark "50:1" gas mixture
by the fuel lock off valve it has a sticker showing which way is on and which way is off
by the power switch it have a sign saying which is off and on
and then a long sticker with full instructions on how to start it

where to position choke, fuel valve etc

good for dummies like me

i throw pure unleaded gas in it first and it was starting and cutting off..then i realize the big "50:1" sign lol
I use the same mixture as in my brush cutter, so I'm ready whenever the Power cartel Fup...

What exactly is this mixture you all talking about ?

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby adnj » February 22nd, 2022, 8:46 pm

^^ if you're serious, two-stroke engine oil+gasoline fuel mix.

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby bamfo_dennis » February 22nd, 2022, 8:53 pm

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby bgh » February 22nd, 2022, 8:53 pm

Kenjo wrote:
bgh wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:
pugboy wrote:most of the better ones have a fuel lock off valve between tank and carb
so just lock that and let engine run dry
you can use additive stabil to keep gas good for a long time



even the cheap pulsar one i have has a fuel lock off

i don't know how other generators are but i really forgot how to start the pulsar and then i realize it has signs and stickers EVERYWHERE on the machine itself with step by step instructions on how to start

by the fuel tank it mark "50:1" gas mixture
by the fuel lock off valve it has a sticker showing which way is on and which way is off
by the power switch it have a sign saying which is off and on
and then a long sticker with full instructions on how to start it

where to position choke, fuel valve etc

good for dummies like me

i throw pure unleaded gas in it first and it was starting and cutting off..then i realize the big "50:1" sign lol
I use the same mixture as in my brush cutter, so I'm ready whenever the Power cartel Fup...

What exactly is this mixture you all talking about ?
I have a 5 liters container that I fill with premium fuel and use 100ml stihl 2 stroke oil to mix.

Kinda why I bought pulsar 1200 from pricesmart a few years ago.

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby pugboy » February 22nd, 2022, 8:55 pm

wacker fuel mix and noisy like a wacker
lots of ppl on internet tried to quiet this unit to not much avail

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby Kenjo » February 23rd, 2022, 6:59 am

bgh wrote:
Kenjo wrote:
bgh wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:
pugboy wrote:most of the better ones have a fuel lock off valve between tank and carb
so just lock that and let engine run dry
you can use additive stabil to keep gas good for a long time



even the cheap pulsar one i have has a fuel lock off

i don't know how other generators are but i really forgot how to start the pulsar and then i realize it has signs and stickers EVERYWHERE on the machine itself with step by step instructions on how to start

by the fuel tank it mark "50:1" gas mixture
by the fuel lock off valve it has a sticker showing which way is on and which way is off
by the power switch it have a sign saying which is off and on
and then a long sticker with full instructions on how to start it

where to position choke, fuel valve etc

good for dummies like me

i throw pure unleaded gas in it first and it was starting and cutting off..then i realize the big "50:1" sign lol
I use the same mixture as in my brush cutter, so I'm ready whenever the Power cartel Fup...

What exactly is this mixture you all talking about ?
I have a 5 liters container that I fill with premium fuel and use 100ml stihl 2 stroke oil to mix.

Kinda why I bought pulsar 1200 from pricesmart a few years ago.

Never had a generator but with the pressure washer there is the oil filler abs the separate gas filler ports . Do you guys mix the oil with gas as a necessity ?

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby pugboy » February 23rd, 2022, 7:25 am

2stroke engines use the gas and oil mix
4 stroke engines use plain gas like a car, the oil is separate in the engine
only them small gen does be 2stroke

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby Chimera » February 23rd, 2022, 7:51 am

Kenjo wrote:
bgh wrote:
Kenjo wrote:
bgh wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:
pugboy wrote:most of the better ones have a fuel lock off valve between tank and carb
so just lock that and let engine run dry
you can use additive stabil to keep gas good for a long time



even the cheap pulsar one i have has a fuel lock off

i don't know how other generators are but i really forgot how to start the pulsar and then i realize it has signs and stickers EVERYWHERE on the machine itself with step by step instructions on how to start

by the fuel tank it mark "50:1" gas mixture
by the fuel lock off valve it has a sticker showing which way is on and which way is off
by the power switch it have a sign saying which is off and on
and then a long sticker with full instructions on how to start it

where to position choke, fuel valve etc

good for dummies like me

i throw pure unleaded gas in it first and it was starting and cutting off..then i realize the big "50:1" sign lol
I use the same mixture as in my brush cutter, so I'm ready whenever the Power cartel Fup...

What exactly is this mixture you all talking about ?
I have a 5 liters container that I fill with premium fuel and use 100ml stihl 2 stroke oil to mix.

Kinda why I bought pulsar 1200 from pricesmart a few years ago.

Never had a generator but with the pressure washer there is the oil filler abs the separate gas filler ports . Do you guys mix the oil with gas as a necessity ?


yes you have to premix it and put it in the fuel tank

same for weed wackers/mistblowers etc

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby adnj » February 23rd, 2022, 10:00 am

Phone Surgeon wrote:
Kenjo wrote:
bgh wrote:
Kenjo wrote:
bgh wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:
pugboy wrote:most of the better ones have a fuel lock off valve between tank and carb
so just lock that and let engine run dry
you can use additive stabil to keep gas good for a long time



even the cheap pulsar one i have has a fuel lock off

i don't know how other generators are but i really forgot how to start the pulsar and then i realize it has signs and stickers EVERYWHERE on the machine itself with step by step instructions on how to start

by the fuel tank it mark "50:1" gas mixture
by the fuel lock off valve it has a sticker showing which way is on and which way is off
by the power switch it have a sign saying which is off and on
and then a long sticker with full instructions on how to start it

where to position choke, fuel valve etc

good for dummies like me

i throw pure unleaded gas in it first and it was starting and cutting off..then i realize the big "50:1" sign lol
I use the same mixture as in my brush cutter, so I'm ready whenever the Power cartel Fup...

What exactly is this mixture you all talking about ?
I have a 5 liters container that I fill with premium fuel and use 100ml stihl 2 stroke oil to mix.

Kinda why I bought pulsar 1200 from pricesmart a few years ago.

Never had a generator but with the pressure washer there is the oil filler abs the separate gas filler ports . Do you guys mix the oil with gas as a necessity ?


yes you have to premix it and put it in the fuel tank

same for weed wackers/mistblowers etc
There are four different types of fuel used for generators (fuel/oil mix, diesel, gasoline, and natural gas/LPG).

There are three different types of engines (diesel, 2-stroke SI (spark ignited), and 4-stroke SI).

You must know what particular type of engine you have and its individual fuel needs.

Very small, less expensive generators tend to be 2-stroke SI and require a mixture of gasoline and special 2-stroke engine oil as the fuel.

Nearly every other generator on the market is 4-stroke SI gasoline, uses gasoline as fuel and also has an engine oil reservoir.

LPG and natural gas generators will almost always have 4-stroke SI engines.

Diesel is self-explanatory.

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby TK! » February 23rd, 2022, 11:37 am

pugboy wrote:are you implying hooking the ats to house main panel and using it to swap the whole breaker panel to the generator?


yeah, it easier. no extension cords running tru a partially lit house. also leaves room for future upgrade to renewables if/when Colm raise rates. oh, and the ATS is not in auto mode in this use case.

the key to this is, as i said, to plan. Decide which breakers you manually switch off before transfering to gen. It should be written down of labelled in the panel.

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby TK! » February 23rd, 2022, 11:40 am

adnj wrote:If so, at the least the installation isn't to code.


Sir, I'd never recommend anything not to code. The plans must be approved by TTEC and the installation professionally done.

EDIT: A TT$1000.00 ATS only supports 100A max. It works fine for a small house or a sub-panel. The goal is affordability and practicality.

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby adnj » February 23rd, 2022, 8:17 pm

TK! wrote:
adnj wrote:If so, at the least the installation isn't to code.


Sir, I'd never recommend anything not to code. The plans must be approved by TTEC and the installation professionally done.

EDIT: A TT$1000.00 ATS only supports 100A max. It works fine for a small house or a sub-panel. The goal is affordability and practicality.
Then I retract my previous statement, sir.

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby X_Factor » February 23rd, 2022, 9:56 pm

seeing many persons use a car exhaust to the existing generator's exhaust and they get on average 3-5db less
and if you build an insulated generator box almost 10db less

seems like a good way to keep noise levels down...anyone here ever tried those methods?

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby supercharged turbo » February 23rd, 2022, 10:22 pm

X_Factor wrote:seeing many persons use a car exhaust to the existing generator's exhaust and they get on average 3-5db less
and if you build an insulated generator box almost 10db less

seems like a good way to keep noise levels down...anyone here ever tried those methods?
Was thinking about the car muffler system..will do more research on it

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby 88sins » February 23rd, 2022, 10:55 pm

X_Factor wrote:seeing many persons use a car exhaust to the existing generator's exhaust and they get on average 3-5db less
and if you build an insulated generator box almost 10db less

seems like a good way to keep noise levels down...anyone here ever tried those methods?

The car muffler idea been done to death, and tbh it doesn't work to reduce the noise by enough to be worth the cost and effort.

If the noise is an issue, on thing that works as an option that I use is a simple hole in the ground that is almost entirely covered, a distance away from the residence. You'd be surprised how well dirt absorbs both physical vibrations and those transmitted in the air.

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Re: Residential Generators

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby pugboy » February 24th, 2022, 7:41 am

you cant do much about noise with them small 2stroke engines

most of noise is the actual engine vibrations, not so much the exhaust.
as he say put it in a hole or something

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby VexXx Dogg » February 24th, 2022, 9:18 am

Plenty good opinions in this thread.

We can likely make 3-4 classifications of residential solutions, so I'll try to update the thread.

Tier 0 Entry
Small 2stroke generator 1000w
Extension cords
Power for lights, fans, light appliances
Budget est 2-3K
Inverter generator option would be closer to 4-5k

Tier I Basic
Small 2stroke generator 2000w
Extension cords
Power for lights, fans, 1 fridge, possibly**** 1/2 hp pump (pump may be pushing it)
Budget est 3K
Inverter generator option would be closer to 5k

Tier II Midrange
Midspec 4 stroke generator 3000-4000w
Extension cords
Power for lights, fans, up to 2 fridge, water pump
Budget est 4-5K
Inverter generator option will be closer to 8-10k

Tier II Midrange (integrated/ manual ATS)
Midspec 4 stroke generator 3000-4000w
Integrated wiring with manual ATS
TTEC PERMISSION NEEDED
Power for lights, fans, up to 2 fridge, water pump
Budget est 10k
Inverter generator option will be closer to 15k

Tier III High spec (integrated/manual or auto ATS)
Higher spec generator 9000w
Integrated wiring with manual or automatic ATS
TTEC PERMISSION NEEDED
Power for a medium house
Budget starts at 30-40k

does this look like what we discussed? I'll update the first post
Last edited by VexXx Dogg on February 24th, 2022, 9:23 am, edited 2 times in total.

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby pugboy » February 24th, 2022, 9:19 am

yeah
but not sure about 1/2hp pump capable on small gen

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby VexXx Dogg » February 24th, 2022, 9:22 am

pugboy wrote:yeah
but not sure about 1/2hp pump capable on small gen



Made an edit, vibes it.

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby VexXx Dogg » February 24th, 2022, 9:28 am

first post updated with summary.

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby pugboy » February 24th, 2022, 9:30 am

i buying the cheap pump this weekend to try
will see if 2k gen can handle it with a fridge concurrently

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby gastly369 » February 24th, 2022, 9:49 am

Total has a 370w pump... Can work with those small gens... Only thing idk how the smart head would handle the "dirty current" from non inverter gens

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby adnj » February 24th, 2022, 10:02 am

gastly369 wrote:Total has a 370w pump... Can work with those small gens... Only thing idk how the smart head would handle the "dirty current" from non inverter gens
370 watts is 1/2 Hp.

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby sMASH » February 24th, 2022, 10:13 am

went to fix a tyre, man show up with a total pump casing crack. less than a year old. was wondering about the reliability of the new mass produced total/ingeco tings. that that pump was not a good sign.
i have a imitation goulds pump 15 yrs now, and still normel.

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby sMASH » February 24th, 2022, 10:15 am

bamfo_dennis wrote:Image
this one runs our two deep freeze at the same time. it not strong enough to start the chop saw though.

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby adnj » February 24th, 2022, 10:28 am

A chest freezer draws 200 to 400 Watts. A chop saw draws 1800 to 2500 Watts.

Look at the detail on the box or on the product label if you want to get a much better idea of what you can, and cannot, use on a particular generator.

Motors will draw more current at start-up.

Longer cords and thinner conductors will cost some generator capacity.

There is a ridiculous amount of information online. Search for "household appliance wattage" or "household appliance current draw".

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Re: Residential Generators

Postby X_Factor » February 24th, 2022, 10:49 am

most likely would buy this march mth end, just wanna check out ocean shipping options
Generators do not have duty, only 12.5% vat
https://www.amazon.com/Champion-Power-E ... S82P6?th=1

would do a dual box style enclosure with sand to bring the noise levels down a bit more

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