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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby DTAC » January 10th, 2022, 2:58 pm

Redman wrote:
Country_Bookie wrote:Sad to hear about the sewer issue they have....... but that's no excuse for disrupting the lives of thousands of people who were stuck on the highway this morning.


Why not?

We all entitled to reach our representatives in the most effective way possible.

If it is that the people have not gotten a response...they flicking right.

Westmoorings does call the politicians to heel in their own way.

If they were treating the people properly this wouldnt be happening.

Agreed, but is it not also true that, even with raw sewage literally flowing through their streets, if an election was called tomorrow they would vote PNM without a moments hesitation.

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby pugboy » January 10th, 2022, 3:00 pm

blocking road does get results

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby Strugglerzinc » January 10th, 2022, 3:00 pm

Wonder if Rohan going to drop an invoice for the repair of the highway.

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby Dizzy28 » January 10th, 2022, 3:02 pm

pugboy wrote:blocking road does get results


And insults dependent on which side of the Caroni you live

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby Redman » January 10th, 2022, 3:07 pm

DTAC wrote:
Redman wrote:
Country_Bookie wrote:Sad to hear about the sewer issue they have....... but that's no excuse for disrupting the lives of thousands of people who were stuck on the highway this morning.


Why not?

We all entitled to reach our representatives in the most effective way possible.

If it is that the people have not gotten a response...they flicking right.

Westmoorings does call the politicians to heel in their own way.

If they were treating the people properly this wouldnt be happening.

Agreed, but is it not also true that, even with raw sewage literally flowing through their streets, if an election was called tomorrow they would vote PNM without a moments hesitation.


That's also their choice.

Don't YOU make the same choices in your preferred way?

They have the same rights as all of us

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby Chimera » January 10th, 2022, 3:12 pm

I wonder if they know that when proper drainage and sewage works are completed for Beetham that they're all being moved out to hdc complexes for the government to use and sell that prime real estate they occupy

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby DTAC » January 10th, 2022, 3:17 pm

Redman wrote:
DTAC wrote:
Redman wrote:
Country_Bookie wrote:Sad to hear about the sewer issue they have....... but that's no excuse for disrupting the lives of thousands of people who were stuck on the highway this morning.


Why not?

We all entitled to reach our representatives in the most effective way possible.

If it is that the people have not gotten a response...they flicking right.

Westmoorings does call the politicians to heel in their own way.

If they were treating the people properly this wouldnt be happening.

Agreed, but is it not also true that, even with raw sewage literally flowing through their streets, if an election was called tomorrow they would vote PNM without a moments hesitation.


That's also their choice.

Don't YOU make the same choices in your preferred way?

They have the same rights as all of us

The bigger underlying problem is that the very people they blindly follow at the ballot box deliberately shortchange them for that very reason. They will blindly vote for them no matter what.

So blocking a highway is a pointless exercise. Listen to the man in the video, polite, articulate at explaining the situation. The people of Beetham should put him up as an alternative/independent candidate for their region, not blindly vote for their PNM "representative" every chance they get with decade after decade of utter neglect.

Take a leaf out of Tobago's book. Or keep voting party and take sewage.

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby Redman » January 10th, 2022, 3:36 pm

DTAC wrote:
Redman wrote:
DTAC wrote:
Redman wrote:
Country_Bookie wrote:Sad to hear about the sewer issue they have....... but that's no excuse for disrupting the lives of thousands of people who were stuck on the highway this morning.


Why not?

We all entitled to reach our representatives in the most effective way possible.

If it is that the people have not gotten a response...they flicking right.

Westmoorings does call the politicians to heel in their own way.

If they were treating the people properly this wouldnt be happening.

Agreed, but is it not also true that, even with raw sewage literally flowing through their streets, if an election was called tomorrow they would vote PNM without a moments hesitation.


That's also their choice.

Don't YOU make the same choices in your preferred way?

They have the same rights as all of us

The bigger underlying problem is that the very people they blindly follow at the ballot box deliberately shortchange them for that very reason. They will blindly vote for them no matter what.

So blocking a highway is a pointless exercise. Listen to the man in the video, polite, articulate at explaining the situation. The people of Beetham should put him up as an alternative/independent candidate for their region, not blindly vote for their PNM "representative" every chance they get with decade after decade of utter neglect.

Take a leaf out of Tobago's book. Or keep voting party and take sewage.


Now we talking...
Like Siparia and the flooding...they should do the same.

We should all be marginal seats...but that requires parties to be viable contenders.

Or maybe they getting what they want.
They getting the representation they deserve.

How many parties have you voted for?
I've voted for all Three.
UNC COP and PNM.
I even vote for Anil Roberts in the COP internals.
Except NJAC I eh vote for NJAC.

We need 1.4 million swing votes and 41 marginals.
Right of recall..
And the ability to hang crooked politicians of the Grand Bazaar fly over.

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby mero » January 10th, 2022, 4:20 pm

Seen and experienced quite often in this country that only way to get action is with wajang behavior and make out scene. As an employer, consumer, customer and citizen.
Beetham ppl just viewed as less than citizens by the majority of us so whatever happen to them happen to them.

See how fast Wasa send out they letter?

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby pioneer5220 » January 10th, 2022, 4:51 pm

mero wrote:Seen and experienced quite often in this country that only way to get action is with wajang behavior and make out scene. As an employer, consumer, customer and citizen.
Beetham ppl just viewed as less than citizens by the majority of us so whatever happen to them happen to them.

See how fast Wasa send out they letter?

Banana Republic 101



^ 100% correct, unless you disrupt other people lives then nothing will be done. Those who say protest peacefully are the same type of people who told Rosa Parks and Malcolm X to protest peacefully in the privacy of their own homes, not out on the streets.

It is a nonsense platitude with no substance on anything. It is only when you get on like an animal that something is done and this isn't just issues with our roads and public institutions etc, this extends to places like local retail stores and restaurants where they promise one thing and then attempt to hoodwink you hit you a 6 for a 9. It is when you get on like a mad man do you get any sort of justice. The Beetham people are not the issue it is the politicians who only serve their $50,000 a month salary with big perks, they are damn right for making a big scene otherwise nothing would have been done just like how nothing was done for how long.

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby MaxPower » January 10th, 2022, 4:54 pm

Friends,

How can we help our Beetham brothers and sisters?

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby hover11 » January 10th, 2022, 5:00 pm

Did these protestors have a permit to protest eh? Were they socially distanced? Wearing masks?

Did the police arrest them?

These are rhetorical questions. No need to send answers. Lots of double standards in this country yes

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby The_Honourable » January 10th, 2022, 5:27 pm

pioneer5220 wrote:Disappointed by the lack of empathy here on this forum, you folks do realize that all of these issues are a result of slavery and colonialism right? millions of people were kidnapped from their homeland, had their identity and culture wiped out and enslaved then left to rot and neglected by society, this is why we have the situation today with Beetham and Laventille, many of times their concerns are legitimate, regardless of how uneducated they appear to be.
Whose fault is it that they jump up naked with bedsheet and bathtowel falling down? it is the white colonizers to blame.


BRUH... this David Muhammad speech not cutting it.

The slavery and colonialism excuse is a cop out for the obvious reason, the party they supported and elected for decades does not care about them... not even during election season because beetham is part of a safe seat. Beethamites concerns are legitimate but they vote for a party who only sees them as a voter bank. They also have the worse performing MP since independence who is in a safe seat meaning that if elections call tomorrow morning, he'll win and live outside of the constituency comfortable.

You get what you vote for, don't take it out on the public. Go and make noise in front the MP office, PM office or even in front Parliament.

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby Redman » January 10th, 2022, 5:40 pm

Everybody loves democracy until it interrupts their routine or offends their sensibilities.
Then those lessers should do this or that or the other.

You want the incumbent to perform?
Get an opposition that nipping at their heels
Have a realistic third party....

The beetham is a symptom...not the problem

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby timelapse » January 10th, 2022, 5:41 pm

MaxPower wrote:Friends,

How can we help our Beetham brothers and sisters?
Encourage them to stop robbing people

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby The_Honourable » January 10th, 2022, 5:57 pm

Redman wrote:Everybody loves democracy until it interrupts their routine or offends their sensibilities.
Then those lessers should do this or that or the other.

You want the incumbent to perform?
Get an opposition that nipping at their heels
Have a realistic third party....

The beetham is a symptom...not the problem


This is where Zoom's point comes in... the opposition is not important at this stage.

To get proper representation, they have to be the ones nipping at the MP, PM and party heels. Their have been third parties in the past but they choose to vote for the status quo out of loyalty thinking that the party understands their plight.

Beethamites and others need to stop with the blind loyalty and giving up their vote for virtually nothing. Demand more with the threat of their vote going to another party and you will see how quickly Hinds and Co will get their act together. They have to make that decision for themselves otherwise it will be another 60 years of the same old.

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby nick639v2 » January 10th, 2022, 5:57 pm

Les Bain wrote:
nick639v2 wrote:
pugboy wrote:yeah need that sector of society to join the forum

Les Bain wrote:Anybody know why? Any forum Beethamites?


For ppl to get rob down on the forum too?? We good.. next thing men posts get hijack and bullet down


Last time I made a similar statement about Sea Lots, one of them PM me and called me a bottom.
So watch yuhself.



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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby redmanjp » January 10th, 2022, 6:55 pm

Phone Surgeon wrote:I wonder if they know that when proper drainage and sewage works are completed for Beetham that they're all being moved out to hdc complexes for the government to use and sell that prime real estate they occupy


is the govt going to change the name Beetham? that has a negative stigma in most people's minds including employers

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby antlind » January 10th, 2022, 7:05 pm

redmanjp wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:I wonder if they know that when proper drainage and sewage works are completed for Beetham that they're all being moved out to hdc complexes for the government to use and sell that prime real estate they occupy


is the govt going to change the name Beetham? that has a negative stigma in most people's minds including employers


I don’t think a name change will remove the negative stigma.

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby timelapse » January 10th, 2022, 7:11 pm

redmanjp wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:I wonder if they know that when proper drainage and sewage works are completed for Beetham that they're all being moved out to hdc complexes for the government to use and sell that prime real estate they occupy


is the govt going to change the name Beetham? that has a negative stigma in most people's minds including employers
Call it Wonderland, dey will ruin whatever name it gets changed to.Guntas gotta gunt

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby Redman » January 11th, 2022, 7:13 am

The_Honourable wrote:
Redman wrote:Everybody loves democracy until it interrupts their routine or offends their sensibilities.
Then those lessers should do this or that or the other.

You want the incumbent to perform?
Get an opposition that nipping at their heels
Have a realistic third party....

The beetham is a symptom...not the problem


This is where Zoom's point comes in... the opposition is not important at this stage.

To get proper representation, they have to be the ones nipping at the MP, PM and party heels. Their have been third parties in the past but they choose to vote for the status quo out of loyalty thinking that the party understands their plight.

Beethamites and others need to stop with the blind loyalty and giving up their vote for virtually nothing. Demand more with the threat of their vote going to another party and you will see how quickly Hinds and Co will get their act together. They have to make that decision for themselves otherwise it will be another 60 years of the same old.


Well I disagree.
With the opposition part.

In whatever you do there some realities:

If you don't measure it...you can't manage it.

If there isn't competition we get substandard service....arguably demonstrated by FCB bs WASA..FCB has to compete.

A vibrant opposition would be.pushing best practice on policy, leading discussions with people in and out of their communities.

Like ZR demonstrates what we have is pleasure at the other sides suffering because we disagree on politics....and a pass through before elections.


Engaged opposition would begin to make all seats marginal.
Engaged opposition would show in a sensible manner what the govt is ballzing up.
Engaged opposition is a 5 year work to convince people that you have the institutional and HR components to run govt responsibly
Engaged opposition would be viewed as a real alternative...not just to.make bachanal in Parliament
It's 2022 most of that is research communication and consistency.

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby alfa » January 11th, 2022, 7:21 am

Ironically the people of barrackpore protested in a similar but arguably less disruptive way last year but were metted with a totally different response from the bus load of police. They went so far as to accost a resident for his camera footage. They sure as hell couldn't do that in beetham/sea lots/laventille. Is really one sector of society beyond discriminated against but not in the way some people think

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby zoom rader » January 11th, 2022, 7:23 am

Redman wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:
Redman wrote:Everybody loves democracy until it interrupts their routine or offends their sensibilities.
Then those lessers should do this or that or the other.

You want the incumbent to perform?
Get an opposition that nipping at their heels
Have a realistic third party....

The beetham is a symptom...not the problem


This is where Zoom's point comes in... the opposition is not important at this stage.

To get proper representation, they have to be the ones nipping at the MP, PM and party heels. Their have been third parties in the past but they choose to vote for the status quo out of loyalty thinking that the party understands their plight.

Beethamites and others need to stop with the blind loyalty and giving up their vote for virtually nothing. Demand more with the threat of their vote going to another party and you will see how quickly Hinds and Co will get their act together. They have to make that decision for themselves otherwise it will be another 60 years of the same old.


Well I disagree.
With the opposition part.

In whatever you do there some realities:

If you don't measure it...you can't manage it.

If there isn't competition we get substandard service....arguably demonstrated by FCB bs WASA..FCB has to compete.

A vibrant opposition would be.pushing best practice on policy, leading discussions with people in and out of their communities.

Like ZR demonstrates what we have is pleasure at the other sides suffering because we disagree on politics....and a pass through before elections.


Engaged opposition would begin to make all seats marginal.
Engaged opposition would show in a sensible manner what the govt is ballzing up.
Engaged opposition is a 5 year work to convince people that you have the institutional and HR components to run govt responsibly
Engaged opposition would be viewed as a real alternative...not just to.make bachanal in Parliament
It's 2022 most of that is research communication and consistency.


Best you join an opposition party .

You can bring the hog feed to the pigs but they dont have to eat it

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby De Dragon » January 12th, 2022, 6:08 pm

Redman wrote:
DTAC wrote:
Redman wrote:
Country_Bookie wrote:Sad to hear about the sewer issue they have....... but that's no excuse for disrupting the lives of thousands of people who were stuck on the highway this morning.


Why not?

We all entitled to reach our representatives in the most effective way possible.

If it is that the people have not gotten a response...they flicking right.

Westmoorings does call the politicians to heel in their own way.

If they were treating the people properly this wouldnt be happening.

Agreed, but is it not also true that, even with raw sewage literally flowing through their streets, if an election was called tomorrow they would vote PNM without a moments hesitation.


That's also their choice.

Don't YOU make the same choices in your preferred way?

They have the same rights as all of us

So you also sanction the billing of them for the costs to repair said road? The threats of imprisonment? The unlawful obtaining of footage to identify culprits? If not, then you're just being a troll, and a stupid cause troll at that. If one of them had damaged or killed someone, would you say "dais demockracee!" Pretty sure not.
Real democracy is EQUAL treatment, so fack what Westmoorings does.

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby zoom rader » January 12th, 2022, 10:28 pm

De Dragon wrote:
Redman wrote:
DTAC wrote:
Redman wrote:
Country_Bookie wrote:Sad to hear about the sewer issue they have....... but that's no excuse for disrupting the lives of thousands of people who were stuck on the highway this morning.


Why not?

We all entitled to reach our representatives in the most effective way possible.

If it is that the people have not gotten a response...they flicking right.

Westmoorings does call the politicians to heel in their own way.

If they were treating the people properly this wouldnt be happening.

Agreed, but is it not also true that, even with raw sewage literally flowing through their streets, if an election was called tomorrow they would vote PNM without a moments hesitation.


That's also their choice.

Don't YOU make the same choices in your preferred way?

They have the same rights as all of us

So you also sanction the billing of them for the costs to repair said road? The threats of imprisonment? The unlawful obtaining of footage to identify culprits? If not, then you're just being a troll, and a stupid cause troll at that. If one of them had damaged or killed someone, would you say "dais demockracee!" Pretty sure not.
Real democracy is EQUAL treatment, so fack what Westmoorings does.
Westmoorings summons the PM like a little house Negro

That's how they do it

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby Mmoney607 » February 17th, 2022, 7:10 pm

The sewer fix yet? No more protests?

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby hover11 » February 17th, 2022, 7:34 pm

Mmoney607 wrote:The sewer fix yet? No more protests?
Gonzales said next two months

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Postby Blaze d Chalice » February 17th, 2022, 11:35 pm

hover11 wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:The sewer fix yet? No more protests?
Gonzales said next two months


How much decades they telling them that? :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:

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Re: Beetham protest and blockage of the highway and PBR

Postby shaneelal » March 13th, 2022, 10:49 pm

Thieves cart off $.1m in material from WASA site

SHALIZA HASSANALI
Sun Mar 13 2022

Days before the Water and Sewerage Authority (WASA) wrapped up the controversial Beetham Gardens pipeline project, thieves carted away almost $113,000 in materials and pipelines from its job site.

The thieves resisted security officers on duty and helped themselves to sheetings, varying lengths of pipelines, chain link fence, plyboards, red sand, metal jacks for shoring, diesel, shackles, manhole keys and frames and covers. Except for the diesel, the other items were stolen by thieves in one night using a truck and other vehicles. The value of the items was $112,750.

...................

A worker on the site told Guardian Media, “The bandits stole anything valuable they got their hands on at the site. We suspect the culprits involved are from the area.”

The theft, which was reported to Besson Street police, is under investigation.

List of items stolen

• 10 steel sheets

• 4 frame and covers

• 6 lengths of 4-inch MS (mild steel) pipe

• 4 lengths of 6-inch MS (mild steel) pipe

• 2 sheets of plyboard

• 1 load of red sand.

• 1 length of cable from generator

• 14 metal jacks for shoring.

• Manhole keys (metal)

• Diesel

• 1 roll chain link fence

• 4 shackles


https://guardian.co.tt/news/thieves-car ... a367dca672

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Postby pugboy » March 13th, 2022, 10:53 pm

that is heinz ppl

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